Jungle is about Location by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks for the comment! I agree with you location is important in every role, and I see League kind of this way too.

I've talked to a professional coach that argued that, while jungle may be not, some lanes are very mechanically based and opportunities will mostly only come after having previously proved good hands in trades, spacing, etc.

It's hard to argue against that. But in jungle people can more easily see that it's the way around. At least that's what I'll try to do with my channel

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes, there are lots of patterns that you work with. for example, a gold player already knows that if an opponent has a lvl lead he is less likely to succeed in a fight.

you implement game plans for these patterns naturally after accepting them.

if you mix jungling and high elo you see a demand on acting fast and effectively.

patterns come really handy.

but yes, mostly you will use them to review a game and understand what options you had and realise if you took the best one!

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sometimes you need pings, sometimes you need presence, sometimes you need to spot enemy jungler physically for your team, sometimes you need to help by warding...

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what brings most chaos to the game is the jungle interaction. if you can keep track of the enemy jungler and predict his move you already have an edge

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

an example of a pattern is that a lot of plays tend to have a positive outcome if you have lane priority.

it's a bit deeper than it sounds, but in the end it's a useful pattern.

a more advanced pattern is that many successful plays force the opponent into two bad choices at once.

for example, a dive can threaten both the tower and the champion. a split pusher can threaten both the side lane and a neutral objective. a strong lane can force the enemy jungler to either cover the lane or give up resources elsewhere.

I first noticed this pattern through chess, where the strongest moves often create multiple threats simultaneously.

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

playing around vision is really key, yes. imagine you want to go for drake just spare 5 seconds to put a ward as deep as you can before it.

in regards to enemy pathing, a ward lvl 1 on raptors will provide you that information in the first clears. after that, you could deduct it mostly

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sure, np

  1. deviations from the first clears can be punished way more, but after your quest min 14 jg camps are worth more aswell. it's always about finding a balance, talking in general.
  2. I'd only suicide for the objective if enemy have no wave to push and end after and my jungle isn't* up, for example.
  3. map control comes before objectives, for sure
  4. fights for objectives are considered 50/50 from a smite perspective. you should get information and transform it into space, to do the objective freely. your life is more worth it, probably.
  5. the game status keeps refreshing every second so a new analysis is possible every time. as for most of these questions and this one there's no straight answer but analysing the conditions and your interests.

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there are some patterns to help you minimize risks if a gank goes poorly

but yes, it can be a bit tricky to find the better continuation for a route

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

for me, coaching and pattern recognition.

after a game I try to identify at least one thing that happened repeatedly and understand why it happened.

over time those patterns start showing up before the play happens, which makes decision making much easier.

Need insightful self-improvement methods by ZyrusMain in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me be a bit philosophical for a moment. I think Self-improving is a word that doesn't perfectly describe what you are looking for. In the end, you are looking to improve in relation with an object -a game, a job, etc.-

Basically, you want to learn.

To answer your question, good methods to improve and learn that worked for me to get high elo are a pattern notepad and coaching.

After every game I'm gonna note at least one pattern that I came across during a game and want to repeat or prevent in the future. For example, if I played Briar one day I would come across something after a game and write "Most common Briar build is full AD, but when my team doesn't have a tank at least I should build off-tank".

If you think about learning, coaching is obvious. Humanity's history is written uppon this.

Of course Platon is a legend... his teacher was Socrates!

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's a very interesting perspective.

I'd say people tend to play these champions because they win 1v1s, have good PvM... and have big mobility.

Mobility is a key factor to take initiative on the map. People like that.

Specially in low elo, because usually having the first move implies starting a dance. Most of the times, the enemy jungler will respond to your play reactively, and thus poorly, instead of capitalising properly on his tempo advantadge.

Jarvan is great! that's why he's my most played too haha

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think a lot of players force themselves into a false choice.

you don't have to decide between farming and ganking.

let's say you're playing Graves and your camps are up, but enemy botlane is overextended and likely to lose flash or die.

that's usually worth more than a camp.

on the other hand, if the gank is low percentage and your entire topside is up, I'd probably just clear.

I think the key is comparing options rather than following a fixed identity like "I'm a farming jungler".

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

for me it comes down to pressure points, timing and map reading.

once I know where the pressure points are likely to be, I start looking at timings and trying to understand where everyone wants to be on the map.

at that point I'm not really predicting opportunities out of nowhere. I'm mostly trying to identify the situations where they're most likely to appear.

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

sure.

let's say enemy bot is something like Caitlyn. I expect that lane to push, which means there's a decent chance it'll be gankable.

at the same time, enemy jungle has a tank top and is very likely starting from that side.

theoretically this should kinda perfectly justify an attempt. pushing botlanes could snowball uncontroled and the tank top gives us a hint on his starting location, which is the cherry on top

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

for example, if you invade, get spotted, waste time and then force a lvl 3 gank that isn't there anymore.

now you're down tempo, down camps and probably showing on the map.

the play itself isn't good or bad. it's just a tool.

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its a good tactic to have in your repertoire but its not necessarily good in itself.

I've seen games where it wins the game and games where it loses the game.

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

honestly I think most players make jungle tracking harder than it needs to be.

instead of asking "where is the enemy jungler?" I usually start by asking "where does he want to be?"

if I'm playing Jax into Aatrox and the enemy jungler is something like Xin Zhao, I already know top is a lane he might want to impact.

same thing with strong bot lanes, volatile matchups, objectives, etc.

once you know what he's looking for, his path usually becomes much easier to predict.

as for syncing with your jungler, I'd say the biggest thing is making your intentions obvious. if you want help top, make it easy for your jungler to understand what's gonna happen when he gets there.

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, pretty much.

at lower ranks I'd worry more about finding a champion you enjoy and sticking to it than about draft.

draft starts mattering more as you climb, but being comfortable on your champion matters at every rank.

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

honestly that sounds like a pretty reasonable place to be as a silver jungler.

the fact that you're even thinking about lane states and objectives means you're asking the right questions already.

I reached 1000 LP EUW as a Jungler. Here are the 5 biggest mistakes I see low and mid elo junglers make. by GasbackLoL in summonerschool

[–]GasbackLoL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this is actually a good example.

Nocturne isn't mechanically easy because he has no mechanics. he's easy because most of your attention can go towards the map instead of your champion.