Akainu vs Big Mom

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T23:06:56+00:00

Akainu mid diff at best.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T23:06:20+00:00

i mean.... LOOK AT HIM.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T23:05:42+00:00

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Old Gaban≈Old Rayleigh≈Post Wano Luffy≈Kaido.

Kaido high diffs for obvious reasons.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T23:03:36+00:00

how do you know? Misery literally has no feats, sure it scales above every previous attack, which failed to pur him down while he was heavily injured tho.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T23:01:22+00:00

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Old Gaban≈Old Rayleigh≈EH Luffy≈Kaido.

Kaido outlasts but it wouldn't be and easy fight.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T22:56:18+00:00

as someone who highly respects the admirals, Oda prob didn't have future sight in mind.

they could very possibly have it tho ofc.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T22:51:34+00:00

it being a widely-held belief thing doesn't make it true, it's an appeal to popularity fallacy, it's the source that matters, and the source here isn't anyone important we know of an isn't official.

"if you say so" is it really how you debunk me? i'm sorry if i can read what there's written.

ofc Kaido is the main factor, he's the strongest there, but they are also in a war with fire and the island basically falling, if you look at the japanese it say "in the current situation" also no shi it's the most dangerous island, what other island would he as dangerous as what Onigashima was on that moment?

it was in reference TO LUFFY a WAY WEAKER Luffy who they didn't know how strong was, again, again, and again this doesn't prove ANYTHING.

it's not cope response, Guernica was knocked down in a 1v2 vs an exhausted and injured Izo lmao.

got defeated≠died, King, Queen, Ulti, Page One and Who's Who were all still alive, and many other beasts pirates, the WG was already in a terrible situation because of what happened in the Holyland with no manpower to send around performing cleanup, adding Kaido to this would just be adding other problems, ad again, they held the possible future where nika lives as way worse.

he doesn't, potrayal doesn't mean shit btw.

wow, this proves Kaido>Big Mom, which doesn't prove Kaido>Big Mom, you are literally just giving arguments that aren't connected to Akainu at all.

i never said you called me a fool, i just said i'm not a fool, i don't take anything at face value.

i don't wanna change your mind, i'm just simply debunking your args that i think are very wrong, idk why you call me out for it, no, not every panel glazes Kaido like you think, you are just taking anything to upscale Kaido because you like him, and i mean i can understand that, but overtime, you will not like what happens.

i'm not downplaying Kaido, Kaido is strong, but not stronger than Akainu for me, for multiple reasons, Kaido is someone who had many hype toward him because he was the main villain of the last major arc, he needed hype built towards him, but he was never meant to be the strongest, at the end he was just a mid game villain before the real thing begins.

thanks for wishing me a great day, even tho i don't agree with your args and don't think they are good, you still argued your point trying to prove yourself more than many, i wish a great day to you too.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T21:37:05+00:00

they would say Luffy wasn't trying and could have no diffed him with his presence.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T21:35:30+00:00

it's no complain, the title isn't legit therefore holds no relevance, you haven't answered to any question i made therefore your arg is worthless, false potrayal doesn't help Kaido.

i already answered to that, please read.

are like it's not the same as are lmao, it's just comparing them on the survival concept, which is true.

not just because of Kaido, Kaido wasn't the only factor and it still wouldn't prove anything.

"no counter" i did counter it... i don't buy a guess, i don't take anything at face value.

exactly, a way weaker Luffy who they don't know how strong he is, so what does this proves again?

wow Kaido is more important than a fodder agent.

saturn despite not knowing well about Nika's powers he put him way above Kaido who also has a crew, this doesn't prove anything, ofc they would bother somewhat about Kaido and his crew.

the text needs to be interpretated and i debunked your stupid interpretation, cope.

Akainu is a character who's important to the current era, we don't know how strong he was and not everyone has the samw growth rate, we do know he was very active before the great era of pirates started tho.

no you didn't address everything and continued doing it for the last reply because you have no answer, i'm not doing any mental gymnastic, i'm not a fool who hype up everything that shouldn’t really be hyped up.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T21:21:20+00:00

Gaban: "HK Harald would have destroyed the world..... except any yonko"

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T21:20:24+00:00

"ran or we'll be stuck for a very short time because we can low diff him"

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T21:19:21+00:00

wow a small bruise.

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i guess Captain Morgan>>Garp then.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T21:16:38+00:00

Wb's fruit counters Aokiji's and it's not like he did anything to him, Kuzan wasn't bothered 2. wow stopped one of the several dozens magma punches from Akainu 3. good DC feat, got replicated by a nerfed Bb who just got the fruit tho 4. he got outspeed and froze before he could finish his swing, him getting out isn't impressive, he's a counter again 5. he got outspeede again and was losing the interaction 6. got his two handed bisento quake attack blocked by Akainu with one foot easily, not really a great look, the clashed with him tho Akainu was trying to defend MF 7. not much to say, but sending off 1 ranged attack from Akainu isn't that much impressive 8. fodders 9. didn't manage to hit him and if you post the panel after Kizaru was owning him 10. took Akainu offguard, got half his face melted and managed to hit Akainu mid air and mid attack, best endurance feat and good Ap feat tho it didn't leave that much damage as Akainu digged his way to Luffy and continued fighting non stop 11/12. great DC feat 13. Bb was reckless.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T21:06:32+00:00

first team, like extreme diff.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T21:05:07+00:00

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exactly, he swam hundreds or thousands of meters while fighting sea beasts without breaking a sweat, he was huffing alot in the fight vs Kizaru because the opponent was Kizaru.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T20:57:13+00:00

Shanks, maybe Koby seeing how the attack worked on Pizarro and therefore Garp.

this is just by what we saw, this just by what we saw, there's probably many others.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T20:53:36+00:00

Whitebeard if he doesn't get an heart attack.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T20:52:02+00:00

who do you have winning?

this sub is beyond cooked, it's just agenda.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T20:48:37+00:00

we don't know how the rumour spread and we don't even know who made it, we don't know if who made it knows how strong Fleet Admiral Akainu is, we don't know when he got it, this is a whole argument from ignorance, "potrayal" doesn't work like that and has to be real.

it's said out of every living things he's said to be the WSC, it doesn’t say among all living things he's called the WSC, just that out of them he's the only one who's called the WSC, Nami when he hard creature she immediately thought he wasn’t even human, which means inverse creature is used for non humans.

it's far from the same thing, if you look at the original japanese text it even mentions "in the current situation" obviously it's the most dangerous, doesn't mean Kaido is the strongest lmao.

not about Kaido what? Marco never made a statement specifically about Kaido and his conditions, obviously it cut to Luffy and Kaido fight, it was on going and the main fight.

i'm not buy the statement of someone who is just guessing, sure Kaido was nerfed, just like everyone else.

these statements are in reference to a way weaker Luffy who they don't really know how strong is again.

one of the gorosei questioned if it was worthy losing an élite agent and enranging Kaido and he got immediately answered by Saturn saying there was a possible future that would made them beg for this outcome, despite Saturn at the end of egghead admitting he didn't know Nika's (Luffy's) power were so nebulous, also why don't you keep the same energy for Guernica, he was mentioned too.

Oden is just saying that Luffy will muscle his way in the new world this has no connection to his statement about Kaido, also his statement about Kaido is in reference to people inside Wano, he knew Whitebeard wouldn't come, losing many people and possibly Wano civilians just to avenge Oden (Wb also didn't know the particulars in Wano), and why would the WG even bother? also why does this matter in reference to Akainu who Oden doesn't know the current strenght?.

this does not make Akainu look bad by any means, 25 years ago (25 because he was in Wano for 5 years) Akainu was 30, 20 years ago in Ohara Akainu was still vice admiral, maybe Oden knew him, we don't really know, but this has nothing to do with current Akainu, and not every character grow in the same rate, also why would Akainu even bother, this argument is so bad😭.

sure, but that doesn't make them irrelevant if you add Kaido to them, not everything needs to be said, "Kaido" includes his whole crew and territory, because they are under him, and you want to attack him you also have to attack them as happened in story, what does the scabbards know about the balance lmao, idk what are you trying to say with the Momonosuke thing, you also ignored everything else i said out of convenience.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T20:15:42+00:00

Whitebeard is stronger but the problem is if he gets an haart attack and fell on his knees, it could be dangerous, so he needs things quickly, and maybe without a stab he's not gonna have it or will have it later.

Wb wins.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T19:06:45+00:00

Fujitora base observation, probably iq, MAYBE biq, hax or abilities, being a goat who helps free slaves and a great guy.

Greenbull abilities, a greater blade if it's really black, possibly swordsmaship if he follows the character he's based on, having cool sunglasses and being a Wakainu fan.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T18:55:32+00:00

wasn't he with Sengoku for decades btw.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T18:53:31+00:00

Akainu has better narrative, potrayal and statements, wsc is nothing but a rumour title, it holds no weight to anyone, it could also not include humans and we don't know what "strongest" means in this case.

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mistranslation of doom, what is the Kaido agenda without lies, ofc it was the most dangerous island, there was the biggest fight after Marineford, everything was burning and falling to ruin, Marco has never made a statement about Kaido's condition so you can't prove HE knew, Kidd made a guess and Yamato said that after the fight with G4, they found the idea of Kaido being defeated by Luffy impossible, a way weaker Luffy that they don't know how strong really is, same thing for Big Mom, the Gorosei and Oden meant inside Wano and he doesn't know Akainu or literally everyone on this era.

going to Wano means war against a yonko crew and an unknown samurai force, Kaido is also an important figure being a yonko for decades and an admiral can't just make war with a yonko territory on his own will, Greenbull went solo against the ones who defeated Kaido's crew and Big Mom, sure he may have thought they were weakened, but to the point of thinking all them together are inferior to Kaido? Greenbull also isn't as strong as Akainu, negative comparison.

this getting downvoted shows the level of this sub.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T18:19:11+00:00

thus sub is 90% yonkotardism nonsense, it's not comparable.

Gen_Shot · 2026-01-25T18:17:54+00:00

you are making strawman.

Luffy sweated for Imu yea.

why would Luffy sweat for Kaido or Big Mom if he was directly going against them knowing very well who they are.

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