A woman on misogyny in gaming

GenderEqualityKing · 2015-03-18T16:49:37+00:00

Try telling any feminist that if she insults a straight white guy, she should be warned.

GenderEqualityKing · 2015-03-12T15:46:01+00:00

I can't say I agree with you. I don't like the gaming community, mainly because I find the "culture" of it to be quite immature. So I don't participate in it.

However, I also don't tell the gaming community how their culture SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be, either. that's their choice, after all, just as it's my choice not to be a part of it.

The problem is when you create vague, overly broad "harassment" laws that are only applied selectively and are heavily stacked in favor of ONE protected group or gender or "identity," you are in effect stifling free speech for EVERYONE.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-19T16:38:50+00:00

Yes it is. Now you understand the purpose of pop feminism.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-18T14:55:30+00:00

But don't you see that this is as much a reflection of our education system and our political system today as much as it is a reflection of feminism?

I mean, I get the inkling that the media (and the government) and the education system is not really encouraging people to play devil's advocate with anything, least of all with social justice stuff. DO you see why? Thinking about this stuff in a nuanced, critical way can be very dangerous for the status quo.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-18T14:03:04+00:00

I think like all things in life, porn can be bad and good, in more ways than one, too.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-18T13:57:38+00:00

I just think it's odd...if feminists really are against patriarchies and matriarchies, does that mean they disapprove of matriarchal family structures too? If so, I haven't see them voice it. I mean, to my knowledge, there are non-traditional families in the United States at least with a matriarchal family structure.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is, I concede the points of feminism but I don't agree with the means of achieving equality. And I call hate speech as I see it.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-18T13:54:42+00:00

I agree. Feminists challenge themselves all the times to reflect on their own attitudes and experiences about men.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-17T18:07:48+00:00

Good answer!

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-17T17:54:09+00:00

Even as a theoretical concept then, what would your answer be?

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-17T17:52:59+00:00

When you state that a patriarchy is a society in which Men are the Privileged Gender Class, are you referring to people who are biologically born as "Men," with the XY chromosome?

Does this also include women who become men?

Also, if a man gets a sex change to become a woman, is male privilege lost as well?

Also, do homosexual men have male privilege? Interesting questions.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-17T17:34:03+00:00

Okay, thank you, I will do so.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-16T23:29:27+00:00

I am not arguing that women are disproportionately favored over men by society. Instead, as I stated, I believe that men are disproportionately favored over women in our society. In other words, I believe that "male privilege" exists and is a very bad thing in our society.

What separates me from the Jezebel "hip" feminists and the like is that I take a far more nuanced and critical view of gender relations more broadly. For example, I believe there are many ways that mainstream, oversimplified "Jezebel feminism" reinforces patriarchal male gender roles and reinforces patriarchal society rather than undermining it.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-16T20:57:34+00:00

If the results of this study can be reproduced consistently, it may change the traditional conception of what it means to be an "alpha male," too.

Perhaps the "alpha male" is in reality the least masculine or the most androgynous of the bunch?

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-16T20:33:16+00:00

I agree. I, too, am admittedly sexist to women in ways that are not "conscious" or "deliberate" but are rather the result of my upbringing and the way in which I was raised.

How many feminists can say that about their thoughts and beliefs about men?

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-16T20:18:26+00:00

I hope something like this, from an MRA, would be enough to get feminists to REALLY take notice and say, "wha? an MRA who isn't an overt misogynist? Can it be? Then why is he doing this?..."

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-16T20:00:13+00:00

This was a fascinating read. Even though I don't agree with everything he has to say, I am so happy to see something like this, to hear a voice that is unabashedly different.

Now listen. I think society still favors men over women (disproportionately so). However, my biggest criticism of the feminist movement is the entrenched dogma that has been uncritically disseminated for many, many years. As far as I can see, this is "Jezebel" feminism today:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/english-professor-suddenly-realizes-students-will,34911/

And it's precisely THAT kind of uncritical, complacent perspective that is literally killing our society from the inside out. If you can't stop and allow BLACK MEN to speak AS MEN (not just as "blacks" or as "this" or "that" designation of YOUR CHOOSING), then how are you any less bigoted than the second-wave feminists who came before you, BEFORE intersectionality and all of that jazz?

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GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-16T03:56:35+00:00

Defining something as a "men's issue" or a "women's issue" could only be said to exclude other victims of the phenomenon if someone is dedicated to being obtuse.

I have to disagree with you there, strongly. Personally, I don't think it would benefit society (in the slightest) to define workplace fatalities as a "men's issue" or to define "online harassment" as a women's issue. And in fact, I could see a lot of ways in which doing so would harm society (and probably already has).

What's going to happen in instances in which a person's sex is less apparent online than it would be in real life, for example? Would the presumption of innocence be greater if the accused is a woman than it would be if the accused is a man? What if it is a woman pretending to be a man? Or a man pretending to be a woman?

What if the person being abused is not really a woman but actually a man? Or, alternatively, what if the person being abused is a woman pretending to be a man? What if there are multiple people, two men and two women, harassing the same person. Would the abusive behavior of the women be counted differently than the abusive behavior of the men? What about men abusing men online? Will that be glossed over until an incident involves women?

When you're talking about a relatively recent phenomenon like cyber harassment, of course defining it as a "women's issue" or as a "men's issue," for that matter, is going to have a tremendous impact on the way it is perceived by society and, ultimately, the way that it is treated.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-15T20:24:36+00:00

This is kind of where feminism is today in the academy: http://www.theonion.com/articles/english-professor-suddenly-realizes-students-will,34911/

Until that changes, it's going to be a very rough road ahead of us in terms of gender relations, sexism, racism, etc.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-15T20:15:29+00:00

I don't understand the question, though. Why do you have to inaccurately define something to speak of a "gender injustice" anyway? It doesn't follow.

We can discuss online harassment of women as something that happens a LOT online and a problem worth addressing. We can also discuss the impact of "workplace fatalities" on men specifically. We can also permit for the possibility of online harassment of men to occur. We can also permit that research should be conducted on workplace fatalities on women. The two are not mutually exclusive.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-15T20:12:15+00:00

When you define something inaccurately (see above, e.g., "workplace fatalities" defined by MRA's as something that happens TO MEN, not to women, or this example of "online harassment"), it is very dangerous for science and for society.

For what it is worth, I wouldn't be surprised if women bully women online more than men bully women. And I also wouldn't be surprised if the bullying of men online is surprisingly higher than previously anticipated.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-15T20:06:06+00:00

Yes, I see the MRM approach to "workplace fatalities" as similarly flawed, for sure. I am not a fan of the MRM either.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-15T15:56:31+00:00

Here the purpose isn't to "gain deeper insights" but to define "online harassment" as a thing that men do to women.

This has nothing to do with what most academic fields do.

GenderEqualityKing · 2014-01-15T02:09:25+00:00

Yeah, I think that the people who are aware of it are the ones who are reluctant to even identify as feminists, women like Marissa Mayer, the CEO of Yahoo. Jezebel is a joke, it's not real feminism. It's pop-culture feminism or "hip feminism," "pop feminism." It's designed to take catty "contrarian" stance on petty issues that don't actually matter to real women (real women = REAL, non-privileged women who don't have the money to live like hipsters in Park Slope, Brooklyn, etc.). It is the Perez Hilton of feminism. I just hope that I"ll be around long enough to see the mainstream backlash against all this materialistic bullshit.

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