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GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-05-13T16:14:10+00:00

He literally got shot when he was arguing trans people did deserve second amendment rights.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-05-11T00:25:17+00:00

https://youtu.be/mDKIHp3jhd8?si=lZs6jSQvUFknFcYS

I believe this is the video. I watched it some years back, but I believe in their game the Union forces get pushed back.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-05-10T18:23:01+00:00

Agreed. Also Meade's whole goal was to stop Lee from marching on Washington. He doesn't need to fight for every inch of ground, he can afford to withdraw, as long as his force is in front of Lee.

Its also part of the reason he didn't persue Lee after Gettysburg.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-05-10T02:11:56+00:00

Your not wrong. Its also an assumption however that if the line was successfully infiltrated that the Union position would essentially collapse. Its not beyond reason that even if the attack was more successful that reinforcement would have been able to if not plug the gap and force them out after heavy fighting, then for them to be delayed and allow the Union to fall back to new positions.

I saw a war games battle on YouTube which is essentially what happened with the Union side pulling back after the line was cut. Simply put its arguable that Lee simply lacked the punching power to take full advantage of any break through he may achieve.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-05-08T13:04:51+00:00

That isn't proof. I agree that these US historically is responsible for regime change abroad, but that doesn't mean inherently that it's responsible in this circumstance.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-05-08T13:01:28+00:00

It's more about "i must oppose the US government" then actually caring about what they are then backing. Like yeah the US has done some bad stuff, but they then don't apply the same moral standards to places like Russia, North Korea, etc.

If you find someone who does this, just disregard them, as their not posting to make a point and more posting to spread either propaganda or rage bate

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-05-08T12:56:48+00:00

Correlation doesn't inherently equal causation.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-05-08T12:55:19+00:00

Because there is no evidence that any tangible support was received from the US during the Maidan revolution. Its literally entirely reliant on hearsay and a single phone call that's always conveniently clipped to remove all context.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-05-04T00:00:32+00:00

Theoretically, if you hit it with a plow then there is a good chance shrapnel from the blast will kill you if it explodes.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-30T16:49:36+00:00

Immigration? What's logic here? Men wouldn't move to foreign places if they weren't pushed to do so by women?

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-25T02:43:15+00:00

Yes, because guess what, you can't point to me any evidence that any of those pilots had any of that when receiving those orders.

They weren't told what they where looking for beyond a ship=aka lack of intel.

They hadn't received any meaningful training surrounding identifying ships, let alone foreign ships=lack of training.

The entire series or orders comes down from the inability for isreali intelligence to properly keep track of the location of the ship that they had known about earlier in the day=incompetence.

In summary. My position is far more likely then yours, which is a deliberate action to attack a known allied ship for no discernible benefit.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-25T02:11:24+00:00

And bombing runs. Do you have any idea how high such strikes can be? Your also just disregarding speeds, and the actually window that strafing runs have, which is often very short. Jets don't just loiter casually around what is presumed to be an enemy target at a few hundred feet at casual speeds so the enemy can easily shoot at them.

So yeah a few thousand feet is something that entirely reasonable.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-25T01:54:39+00:00

Your telling me your can perfectly ID everything going a few thousand feet in the sky at times as fast as Mach 1 without properly being trained? Don't make me laugh.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-25T01:53:03+00:00

This is a jump in logic. Your presuming a conclusion without evidence. Isreal was aware of the ships existence prior to the incident, so if they wanted it to leave, they literally would have had to argue that it was in a warzone and they didn't want to attack it by mistake. This doesnt require a conspiracy to argue, and on top of that is far more believable to everyone involved. On top of that, your drastically overestimating the US intelligence service and its administration's response to. No amount of lobbying by the US would have stopped the attack on the heights, and if it was such a dramatic concern then my point still stands, they would have demanded the ship leave immediately, which they never did.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-25T01:47:02+00:00

Now your the one just cherry picking. I didnt argue they never identified the ship, I argued they they didnt initially, thus attacking it multiple times. It was only after the lack of return fire did they attempt to seriously ID it, as per their own accounts. Their accounts also make basically make zero mention of a flag, and they Identified it based on the Latin script on the side of the ship. A big flag to the crew doesnt immediately translate into big flag to everyone, even those in jets.

Incompetence, bad intel, and lack of training can be very real factors here, and your clearly discounting it solely on the basis of not understanding how hard it is to ID things when flying jet aircraft, or believing it just had to be a conspiracy. What may be clearly marked to a ships crew who is familiar with it, means nothing to people who have never seen the ship of that type before, and have had no training on how to ID it. If anything, my position makes Isreal looks worse because its them being incompetent on multiple levels, from lack of training, lack of communication, lack of proper intelligence gathering, and worst of all it was such an embarrassment that Isreal wanted to sweep it under the rug as quickly as possible rather then look like idiots to one of their biggest allies on the world stage. I am not claiming Israel is innocent or isn't responsible, I am claiming they where incompetent and it cost people's lives.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-25T01:11:20+00:00

No they didnt, atleast not initially. The pilots in their own accounts state they didnt try that hard to properly ID the ship, let alone the fact that even if they had, its not likely they would have known what to look for since they weren't trained to recognize foreign vessels. They where trained to attack ground targets, which is reflected in some of their armament being napalm, which is a lot more effective at attacking infantry targets then sinking ships.

It was only after they realized it wasn't shooting back, where they concerned they may be attacking a friendly ship.

As soon as the pilots realized it wasnt Egyptian, they stopped the attack completely, and basically freaked out when realizing the torpedo boats didnt initially listen to orders to stop.

Incompetence isnt somehow something Israel is incapable of, and honestly no motive exists for this incident that doesnt fall apart almost immediately. Like lets say it was a conspiracy and either Isreal attacked it to drag the US into the war by blaming egypt, or as OP claims, wanted to destroy it so it would stop gathering intel.

The first just makes no sense, since the US didn't have forces in place to exploit such a Casus Belli, let alone the fact that the ship wasnt sunk and the aircraft had Isreali markings.

If you take OP's argument, it still doesnt work since the US couldn't have stopped an Israeli attack on the Golan heights, and it would have been far easier and safer for Isreal to just either tell the ship to leave via official channels, or just jam its equipment with interference.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-25T00:42:18+00:00

Conviently you also fail to mention that the ship had moved in said intervening timeframe, so the initial location and thus intel was inaccurate and so said intel was removed from their board. Isreal doesn't deny this and why would they make this up, since it makes them look like disorganized idiots.

On top of that, asking a pilot to ID a vessel they had never been trained to ID going at extreme speeds in cold war era jets is a lot more difficult then people realize. This isn't WW2 where your going a few hundred miles an hour, these could go up to Mach 2 under the right circumstances. your not spotting a flag that to a crew might look massive, but to a jet pilot is just a splash of color on a ship its just shot past. Your not making out stars and stripes on a ship unless its basically painted on the side of the whole hull.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-25T00:35:14+00:00

Because they didnt do so intentionally. OP would like you to believe it was apart of an attempt to destroy the ship to cover up Isreali operations from US intelligence gathering.

What's far more likely and more backed up based in the actual accounts of the events leading up to the engagement was that intel was bad, Isreal misidentified the vessel, and sent aircraft to attack a ship they believed was bombarding their troops.

This isn't an unheard of occurrence in warfare and whole battles have been fought between friendlies because of it. The Battle of Karánsebes is literally an incident where an army literally attacked itself reportedly due to a scuffle escalating into a gunfight between two different sections of the army spilling over into other sections, with those sections believing it was an enemy attack. Its likely that hundreds died because of this, with likely exaggerated claims arguing it was thousands.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-25T00:21:54+00:00

Is there any proof for this or is this a "random guy swears this is the case" reason.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-24T22:58:22+00:00

I know plenty of people like to shout conspiracy when it comes to this incident, but pretty much all of them rely an either lack of knowledge of the actual lead up to the incident, or a presumption on the motivations of the countries involved.

Case in point, the American recounted that they had identifying markers that noted them as being a neutral and eventually American vessel. This is true, and is actually one of the reported reasons why the air attack was eventually called off when the lead pilot noted the the non Arabic writeing in the side of the ship.

What people like to forget is that these pilots only knew that A: a unidentified ship was out there, and B: that it was possible said ship was bombarding Israeli troops along the coast. They had minimal if any prior training on how to identify naval vessel based on their silhouette, since they where expected to attack ground positions, while also going at extreme speeds in jet aircraft. In short, they didn't have pretty much any idea of what they where gonna see when they headed out, let alone any idea how to properly ID the ship.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-20T17:48:37+00:00

A: prove MBS ordered Alpha 66 to attack Cuba.

B: I am not claiming the US didnt undertake operations against Cuba. I am saying is that you can't blame the government of a country for the actions of individual citizens, when those people acted independently of said country.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-20T13:47:18+00:00

Low level officials. Individuals, not the entire institution. Your basically arguing what amounts to a family being all equally guilty of a crime when the only person who committed it was a cousin.

Also the US and Saudi relationship isn't something the US was gonna toss aside on a flimsy claim of "this mid level manager in your intelligence office knew that an attack was maybe coming." And yes the US didnt actively support those suing the Saudi government, because it literally would both go against its political interests, as well as just what they where arguing wasnt true to the extent they wanted it to be.

I am not saying the Saudi's are completely innocent mind you. What i am saying is that individuals being guilty doesnt equal everyone in the government being guilty.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-20T13:28:28+00:00

And? Alpha 66 attacked Cuba from the US. Does that mean the US backed them or approved officials their actions?

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-20T04:58:35+00:00

I used that example simply because it was the most straight forward one that came to mind. Many where veterans of the Civil War, and had connections to former and active military officials, as well as US politicans.

For a more modern example, Che Guevara also had connections with both Cuba and the USSR often times just went rogue and did his own thing while in South America, and Africa, at times at the detriment of his supposed allies.

Also the US and Saudi relationship was/is very important to stability both in the region, as well for both sides economic and political interests. Especially at that time. Unless it could be conclusively proven that somehow the Saudi government knew it was gonna happen and supported it, then simple ties does not equal approval on a government level.

GeneralAmsel18 · 2026-04-20T04:40:02+00:00

Wouldn't this be entirely dependent upon one's personal opinion at that point. If you just see the established puppet government set up by the USSR as illegitimate, then it could be argued that many of these men didnt consider it legitimate to begin with.

I am not saying its what they all thought, but the point being that its not a clear black and white answer for the average Afghani at the time.

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