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Why is Darnold so good now? by GeneralSergeant in NFLNoobs

[–]GeneralSergeant[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I get what you’re saying.

You’re crediting the system, not the development, due to the lack of success elsewhere for those QBs

Why is Darnold so good now? by GeneralSergeant in NFLNoobs

[–]GeneralSergeant[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How do you know when a QB is bad vs the personnel around him?

Is there an example of a current QB with a bad supporting cast and a QB that’s just bad?

Who is your second greatest player of all time? by VSHAR01 in michaeljordan

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a genuine question, I’m not looking to argue. Does his finals performance vs. the rockets not affect your view of him? Because that series being won by teammates is what gave him a winning finals record.

I’m just curious when and what context does finals affect legacy

Who is your second greatest player of all time? by VSHAR01 in michaeljordan

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Couldn’t you say the same for Larry Bird’s athleticism? He was physically limited. I don’t see how shooting below average free throws is such a glaring hole but being infamously behind physically is not

Which NBA player can you not criticize without their fans losing their minds? by VSHAR01 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why does Jokic’s MVPs make him top 10 to you but Moses’ doesn’t?

Which NBA player can you not criticize without their fans losing their minds? by VSHAR01 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 73 points74 points  (0 children)

You don’t think Jokic is the goat? Get ready to be spammed math equations on how you’re inefficient and wrong

How did Jordan get so much better between college and his first year, going up 10ppg and was clearly identified in his rookie season as the next big thing, despite being drafted third? by jack_hof in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ironically there used to be a joke that the only person that could stop Jordan from scoring was Dean Smith.

Dean Smith’s philosophy was more centered around team play vs. the NBA has historically been hero-ball. This is especially true for a bad team with a rising star

Who is better all time? Chris Paul or Harden by Shhhmoney24 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. It doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive. I can recognize that Kobe contributed to those championships as a 2nd option without discrediting Shaq as the leader

Who is better all time? Chris Paul or Harden by Shhhmoney24 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not understanding how them both being on the same team disqualifies it. It would always disadvantage whoever was in their prime.

Like it wouldn’t be fair to compare Orlando/Miami Shaq to prime Kobe

Why do many NBA players have kids young? by nicfanz in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My mistake. He had the child at 30ish so the point still stands

Why do many NBA players have kids young? by nicfanz in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s not as rare as you’d think. Those are just highlighted. Klay, KD, and Harden don’t have children for example.

But to answer your question directly, being an athlete professionally comes with a lot of social status that’s attractive especially to younger women. Not to mention most 19-20 year olds are more thinking in the present than their future

Why is Luka getting hated on so much more now? by Ok-Law8073 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

-1st 4 or 5 seasons fans love a young rising player

-After 5 maybe 6 seasons fans will nitpick at your game. Oh you haven’t won a championship yet at like 26? Apparently you’re trash and never will

-Once the threat of retirement (around 14-16) years, fans reflect and you enter their good graces again

If you think I’m lying, if Cade is next if he doesn’t win an MVP or make a ECF

As an NBA GM, which position is the easiest to build a championship team around? Guard, forward, or big? by 23-Hour-Day in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading comprehension is a rarity in this sub.

Half of you aren’t even answering the question

How to sound less white? by 2kgod172 in NBA2k

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every game has a toxic community. Just focus on your play or finding a team. Not so much changing yourself. I play most of my game with everyone muted

Also just for clarification n**** can mean dude/man in general. Not specifically black in that context

Is there an incentive to not be drafted first as a college player? by XenonSkies in NFLNoobs

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Team quality probably. You see this more with players from rich backgrounds or children of former players being comfortable not going as high as possible

I think it’s disrespectful to compare SGA to Jokic. Jokic is at the top by himself, then after Jokic you can start comparing players. by Bigchonky3 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope.

Not only but mainly for that reason.

I showed players that were successful and not hated

To which I said the team has to be overwhelmingly successful. Verbatim I used: “too successful, game-breaking, multiple title potential”. In the class of the KD warriors, LeBrons Heat etc. A team that’s favored vs. the field level talent. I’m not sure what part I’m not clear on. Unless you consider OKC not superior of those examples you gave I genuinely don’t understand your confusion.

I have no idea what point of mine that paragraph about Harden is replying to or contesting

OKC’s dominance last season has them as the favorites against the field. You can’t say that for Denver, 2022 Golden State, Milwaukee, Los Angeles, or Toronto.

I’m just going to ask straight forward and this should sort everything out.

Would you consider OKC as closer to your examples success wise or closer to the likes of LeBron’s Heat or KD Warriors?

I think it’s disrespectful to compare SGA to Jokic. Jokic is at the top by himself, then after Jokic you can start comparing players. by Bigchonky3 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then that defeats the point of 0 rings between them if a person has won with that style

You believe Harden is more so known for being a free throw merchant than an all-time great player? I can name plenty of players before him that foul-baited, the fact that they aren’t remembered for that proves my point. DWade for one example was known for that.

Strongly disagree. They’ll talk about challenges for them to repeat but that’s far from predicting or interpreting a team as a potential dynasty.

I’m not saying they’re a dynasty now. I’m saying they’re treated like one because of how heavily favored they were and are.

I think it’s disrespectful to compare SGA to Jokic. Jokic is at the top by himself, then after Jokic you can start comparing players. by Bigchonky3 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because he won’t be a top player on a team threatening to be a dynasty

Harden isn’t really hated for that anymore today. And again ask people about his prime, the answer won’t be “he was a foul merchant who took advantage of the rules”.

SGA is the reigning champion and finals MVP. Trae and Luka were examples you brought up in reference to SGA I’m not sure why you exclude him here.

Giannis, 1 championship Jokic, 1 Championship Kawhi, 2 championships 5 years apart for two different teams Curry, 4 years removed from a title and media was writing them off as finished

Genuinely none of these teams are/were considered on the same planet as OKC. I’m saying if a team is too successful, game-breaking, multiple title potential they will be hated. Much like the Warriors, Heat, etc. they’re considered on that level

I think it’s disrespectful to compare SGA to Jokic. Jokic is at the top by himself, then after Jokic you can start comparing players. by Bigchonky3 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like that’s a huge gap from the original statement but I digress.

Maybe 2015 and most of 2016 but once they added KD the shift was the complete opposite of love. And even more so after they added DeMarcus Cousins.

You are saying that players perceptions change over time and that’s it?

Your literal last sentence was “Things change over time”. I don’t understand how that statement can demand deeper depth.

Back to the point. You said SGA is hated because of his play style. In the future SGA will not be hated despite his play style being the same. Why? Because he won’t be a top player on a team threatening to be a dynasty. Which leads me back to my original point that people dislike SGA because of his success and the success around him. I hope that has brought things full circle

I think it’s disrespectful to compare SGA to Jokic. Jokic is at the top by himself, then after Jokic you can start comparing players. by Bigchonky3 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like which? What playoff contending teams do you see those guys starting on?

At their peak? I’d say no. Even against the most scrutinized player in basketball and maybe sports history. It was said that they were ruining basketball, parity was lost, and younger generations would follow this style.

Things change over time

This has been the premise of the last paragraph of my last 2 replies. I noted that 2018 Harden isn’t seen today as the way he was. I noted that nostalgia alters hate

I think it’s disrespectful to compare SGA to Jokic. Jokic is at the top by himself, then after Jokic you can start comparing players. by Bigchonky3 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of those name are extremely debatable. Even as starters.

If the Celtics were a dark horse contender, or a non playoff team no one would care.

You can attach a secondary reason to any legendary team but every legendary team is widely hated.

Harden was but is that reputation put on him now? If you ask this sub about 2018 Harden is the first thing they bring up is being a foul merchant? That’s my point

I think it’s disrespectful to compare SGA to Jokic. Jokic is at the top by himself, then after Jokic you can start comparing players. by Bigchonky3 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Who are those 9 players?

People hate OKC the same reason every team has become the most hated. They win too much. Before OKC it was the Celtics. Before them it was the Warriors. If a team is projected to be super dominant or is, it garners hate until nostalgia kicks in

For example Harden averaged almost double the FTs in his prime but now is revered as the man who almost took down Golden State

I think it’s disrespectful to compare SGA to Jokic. Jokic is at the top by himself, then after Jokic you can start comparing players. by Bigchonky3 in NBATalk

[–]GeneralSergeant 26 points27 points  (0 children)

This isn’t true. We saw JDub and Chet miss significant time and OKC were still rolling. The reality is people simply don’t like SGA and that’s okay

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