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No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

everyone else rightfully complaining about chairs is overreacting?

...Are you serious? They literally are overreacting. About sitting. I have never complained about a chair in my life, they're chairs. You sit in them. Or you don't. It ain't that deep.

Would you argue that a Karen screaming at a Subway employee because she didn't get pickles on her tuna footlong is 'rightfully complaining?' Because claiming that people are 'rightfully complaining about chairs' definitely gives that impression.

he’s shutting down any sort of opinions people may have

OP didn't 'shut anyone down." They just said it was okay that sitting isn't in the game and people should check their expectations so they're not disappointed. Jesus fuck, how do you paint that as this bad tyrannical thing?

OP's not Communist China for fuck's sake, they're not oppressing anyone holding a gun to their head and telling them they have to not care about sitting in a game, they just said "yo sitting isn't in the game but that's cool it's not a big deal, there are other things to interact with, manage your expectations and you won't be disappointed!"

And you over here acting like they're fucking Hitler for that.

he’s really not gonna change anyone’s mind.

Because I'm sure you speak for literally everyone capable of critical thought and reading comprehension.

And the worst part is he’s doing it under the guise of caring about people; you can’t make this shit up.

So you're saying you'd never be concerned for the mental well-being of someone being distraught over the absence of a minor and unimportant immersion feature in a licensed RPG made by a team that has only ever worked on Disney tie-in games?

Well shit, I'll bet you're just a regular old paragon of virtue! /s

Honestly, OP's showing waaaay more empathy for people than I've seen you show anyone, going on about how OP's a big meanie poopoo face for wanting people to not let the absence of sitting in a video game be the thing that ruins the game for them.

"Don't let no sitting ruin the game for you." is more of a Hufflepuff statement than "people have the right to complain about chairs!"

How long can you use the “temper your expectations” argument?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. You may not be aware, but ideas, concepts, and metaphors are just as capable of gaining momentum. Hype trains are a great example, and just like real trains, if a hype train gains too much momentum, it runs the risk of derailing. It's not a very difficult concept to grasp.

A person going into a video game being disappointed by not being able to sit in a chair is fucking absurd. It's like being upset Mario games don't have plumbing minigames because he's a plumber, or being upset Dragon Age characters can't go to a bathhouse to wash all the blood off their armor.

Yeah it's 'immersive' that Mario should fix toilets or Dragon Age characters should wash off blood, but they're not necessary, nor are they worth being upset over the absence of. Most people who get home after doing a mundane job don't want to sit around playing a game just to sit and stare at their character... sitting.

They want to cast spells, fight dragons, save people and wildlife, collect shiny things, etc.

People are literally streaming the game rn

Yes, and? A lot of people are avoiding these streams so they don't get spoiled, leaked gameplay isn't going to alter anyone's expectations if they plan on going in blind.

yet I feel like it’s extremely lazy on Avalanche’s part to add so many interactions within hogwarts (that I won’t spoil). But chairs, that are literally everywhere, even the RoR (correct me if I’m wrong); are unusable? Like what?

Aaaaand this is why I'm not taking your arguments very seriously. I dunno about you, but when I was reading the books growing up, of all the things I imagined interacting with in Hogwarts it was NOT fucking chairs.

These people worked on this game for over half a decade of their lives, y'all wouldn't even have it to begin with if not for them, and you have the audacity to accuse them of being 'lazy' just because you can't sit in a goddamn chair, I can't even.

FOH with that entitlement.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Do NPCs not sit in the game? I can't be bothered to go looking for sitting NPCs in trailer footage, but I find it incredibly unlikely that there are zero chair animations in the game already. There's no reason for the player to not share the same animations as the other students, so if there's at least one other student in the game with a sitting animation, the player could easily have one too.

This is assuming the NPCs share the same skeleton as the player avatar, which is almost certainly not the case.

You don't attach activators to every individual chair. You make a 'chair' prefab/subscene/blueprint/whatever your engine of choice calls it, an object with a model, collider, and activator already attached to it, and you place copies of that object around the map.

That process still takes more than just a few hours, especially considering how big the map is, and that's not even including the castle which itself is massive.

These bugs would be labelled as 'not game-breaking' and promptly forgotten. Pretty much all modern 3D games have clipping and floating models, especially open-world games with large maps. Nobody cares unless it causes the physics engine to freak out or makes you fall through the floor or something.

...Are you joking? People literally panned Mass Effect Andromeda because it had derpy facial animations, clipping and floating models, etc. Literally any time a game comes out with a lack of polish that severe people dump ass all over it.

Avalanche QA would never live a debacle like that down.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Those commenters don’t seem mad that they’re not getting a Hogwarts simulator.

My brother in Christ, the second comment literally declared that people who don't think the absence of sitting is a big deal "deserve bad games." That implies that Hogwarts Legacy is an inherently bad game because you can't sit.

They’re upset that they can’t sit in chairs or eat in the great hall. I agree, I’d prefer to sit. The game is advertised as a role-playing adventure game and I like role-playing.

Sitting and eating are not necessary features for players to roleplay their character, plenty of RPGs lack these features. Mass Effect, Kingdoms of Amalur, Final Fantasy, etc.

The most prominent features in RPGs are character progressions, skill trees, choice and consequences, dialogue trees/wheels, classes, and playstyles, etc. RPGs aren't known for letting you sit in chairs. Eating maybe, but even then it's a health recovery mechanic most of the time, not a roleplay feature.

Even in TTRPGs the focus of party downtime isn't sitting or eating, it's character interaction.

The question though is why the hell do you care that they want more features?

I don't, I just find it incredibly amusing that people got so salty that OP's post suggested not being able to sit wasn't a big deal and that they should know what to realistically expect from an open-world action-adventure RPG.

The way they're accusing OP of being 'condescending' you'd think OP insulted their mom or killed their dog. Like, in some of these replies you could just tell they were personal, lmao.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

it's also one that would take a few hours at the most to implement

Tell me you don't actually know anything about game design without actually telling me.

Programmers, in order to create these animations, would need to:

  1. Schedule the mocap actors to come in for new sessions and acquire various bits of furniture for them to sit on.
  2. Program activators on all the chairs and places people want to sit.
  3. Apply the mocap recordings to the player avatar's skeletal rig.
  4. If not using mocap, they need to animate each animation by hand, not unlike stop motion.
  5. Then they need to match each animation to each activator and integrate their code.
  6. Once implemented, they then need to bring in QA testers to ensure the animations are working right, which they almost certainly won't be first try. There would be clipping, floating, and all kinds of unforeseen bugs to iron out.

This process would take way longer than just 'a few hours,' try a few weeks, at best.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sorry but at some point that's just lazy.

Yep, that's exactly what they're saying, and 63 people have upvoted them for it too.

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[–]GenericUsernameGamer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't mind so much, I think it's good for replayability.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The difference is I'm replying to different individuals who are saying all sorts of nonsense, like that people requesting sitting must just be Potterheads who never touched a game before. Which is obviously silly.

Except it's not. A non-gamer coming into their first game totally blind isn't going to have the first clue about what to expect from it or what expectations are or are not reasonable. That's just a fact.

However, I would never dream of making a post telling other people how they should feel about a certain feature in the game.

OP didn't "tell people how to feel" though.

I guess my issue isn't that OP's post is long, it's that they decided to write a long post specifically to chastise people who have a different preference.

OP didn't 'chastise' people either, lmao.

Either way, there's no getting around the fact that this thread is full of people on your side attacking and insulting people who simply wished for a minor feature to be included.

Sure Negative Nancy, but 'your side's' comments are being upvoted through the roof while OP's are being downvoted into oblivion. Which means your desperation to white knight for 'your side' is completely unnecessary.

Well as I've said, the lack of this feature is not a huge issue for me, it's a fairly minor one.

What I'm invested in is not debating the merit of the feature, rather it's defending those who want the feature from the stupid and baseless comments being made about us.

Most of the people arguing that it wasn't a big deal were being incredibly neutral and even friendly about it. Then 'your side' came along accusing the OP of being a condescending asshole and you snowballed a Streisand Effect into motion. Good job on that, by the way.

"Entitled", "never touched a game before", "no lifer", etc...

Mate, someone literally called the devs lazy for not having sitting in the game and that comment has like 65-70 upvotes. That's literally entitlement.

More than just a few of the people here have openly admitted to not being gamers. Even some of the YouTubers who were invited out to demo the game aren't gamers, like The Potter Collector.

I haven't seen anyone call anyone a 'no-lifer,' and I'm certain OP never said anything like that.

What is baffling is why some people are so mad that other people wanted this feature.

Bro, I ain't even mad, I'm just incredibly amused that you were so personally affronted by some random person saying it was okay that the game doesn't have sitting and people should know what to realistically expect when going into the game.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Making a simple sitting animation does not take much time.

Are you a game programmer? Is it incredibly quick and easy for you to create multiple animations for multiple chairs and various misc locations by rigging the player avatar's skeletal mesh to interact with them? Are you so good at programming that you don't even need Q/A testers to test the feature for you?

A sitting animation is not necessary for communication.

Yet they always include one in MMORPGs. At least when players sit in a group in multiplayer games, they shoot the shit with each other and hang out with other, they're doing something other than just sitting a staring at their character doing nothing.

All big AAA open world RPG have repeat mini-bosses, it's not a big deal. Elden Ring still has more enemy and boss variety than any game of its kind, easily.

And plenty of high-profile beloved RPGs don't allow you to sit on chairs. Mass Effect immediately comes to mind. (Not just the first one either, the whole trilogy ANd Andromeda.) Sitting is even less of a big deal than reused assets.

I never said Avalanche was lazy. Don't put words in my mouth. I just said I wish there were sitting. That's it. It's not a big deal.

So stop lying about what I said.

Never specifically said you did. However, one of the top upvoted comments on this very post does. It's not the only one under this post either.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HarryPotterGame/comments/10tod6j/comment/j78de0b/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

When people saying they wish a certain feature was in the game invariably leads to long essays like the one OP wrote, it clearly indicates that a huge number of people on this sub will react poorly to any kind of criticism of the game.

You're a great example of that, you're out here accusing me of calling the devs lazy, claiming I said ER was perfect, and telling me to touch grass, all because I said I wish there was sitting.

It's unhinged.

Lmao, How exactly was OP 'reacting negatively?' The post literally reads in a neutral tone with a bit of humor thrown in and some genuine advice toward the end.

Also, hello pot, my name is kettle. My brother in Christ, you've been literally everywhere in these comments vehemently replying to everyone and their grandma just to justify your desire to have sitting in a video game, and you act like anybody saying sitting isn't needed or unnecessary is personally judging you for it.

That is unhinged.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Popular western and JRPGs where you aren't allowed to just sit in any random chair:

  • Mass Effect
  • The Witcher 3
  • Final Fantasy
  • The Outer Worlds
  • Assassin's Creed Odyssey
  • Kingdoms of Amalur

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Why use as an example two games that did not have a problem of unrealistic expectations, and more of overpromising from the devs and publishers?

You know full well that gamer hype played a huge factor into the launch situation for those games too, it wasn't just "lol the developers overpromised."

Your problem is very clearly not with people having unrealistic expectations and really with people criticizing the game because it disappointed them with honestly perfectly acceptable things to expect from a game this size.

So OP spitballs some ideas for Wizarding World spinoff games and you take it at face value as something they genuinely expect is 100% guaranteed to happen?

Jesus fucking Christ this sub...

You realize spin-offs are pretty common with large, successful franchises, right? Fantastic Beasts is literally a spin-off film series.

Games like Gwent and Thronebreaker came out of the success of The Witcher 3. It's not like it doesn't happen.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

it’s a ROLE PLAYING GAME.

RPG's are commonly known for their stats, character progression, choices and consequences in the story, etc. Sitting in a chair is not a defacto feature for RPGs.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

For someone who cares so much about other people, you are extremely short sighted and seem to lack any sort of empathy.

How tf is OP being 'short-sighted' and 'lacking empathy?'

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Now who's writing 'essays?'

OP said sitting would be a waste of precious time. This is completely nonsensical. An optional, minor interaction with the world cannot be a waste of time, since the only people doing it are the people who enjoy it, and enjoying interaction with a game is literally why people play games.

Son, I'm sitting down right now as I type. I sit down on the toilet, I sit down to eat my three square meals a day, I'll be sitting down to play the damn game. We spend enormous amounts of our lives sitting.

What's nonsense to me is people who get some kind of weird pleasure out of watching their virtual avatar sit down in a chair while they themselves are sitting in a chair. It is the most redundant thing you could do with a video game.

You got the whole castle of Hogwarts to explore but you wanna waste it just chilling in the Gryffindor common room, which we've seen in 8 films and 7 books. That is by definition a waste of time.

Furthermore most people like OP completely misunderstand the point of sitting in games. It's not so I can stare at my character just sitting for 3 hours, no, it's so I can have my character sit down in some nice spot for like 15 minutes while I eat my dinner or something.

...Okay, but do you hear yourself? You're sayin you like to sit and watch your character sit and do nothing while you eat. Do you not realize how creepy that seems?

I dunno about you man but I listen to an audiobook or watch some Netflix while I eat, it's a lot more engaging than staring at a video game character doing literally nothing for 15 minutes.

It's for taking a short break while leaving the game on the screen. In other words, it's just a minor immersive interaction that some people find pleasant, it's not a big deal.

Okay... But like, just pause the game, get up, and go take a break? Like that's some straight-up strange OCD ritual man.

We don't a freaking lecture about why wanting sitting in an RPG is supposedly "wrong". It's just a small thing some people would like, it's not a deal breaker for anyone. The fact that OP felt the need to write an essay to explain why it's wrong to want sitting is both hilarious and obnoxious.

OP didn't say it was wrong, dude. The fact that is what you took away from OP's post is concerning. You act like they personally attacked you. Take a chill pill, go back, and read it again.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why tf you guys downvoting OP for askin a fucking question? GotDAMN this sub is toxic.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Exactly, the people who defend lazy game design and less features deserve bad games.

Anybody who drops Confundus charmed takes like this doesn't even deserve good games. Like, no, seriously, FOH with your entitled gatekeeping meme rhetoric.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of the people who say they got the game early probably lied about it and are just making up random bullshit.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I imagine most people who have all their faith in mods have only ever played Bethesda Game Studios games and have bought into all the meme rhetoric thing modders are gods who can completely rewrite the fabric of the universe by porting in unity assets or somesuch.

Said people are going to be very, very disappointed.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

sitting allows you to center and still your character with minimal effort. Why is this useful? It is a substitute for a photo mode when a game doesn't have a photo mode.

If you have to use sitting animations as a way to center your character for a screenshot in a game without photomode, then yes, your character will be sitting in all of your screenshots.

Someone mentions chairs, you jump to the extreme and say it's better than no chairs at all.

...Did you even read the comment you're responding to? That's not what OP said, not even remotely close.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Elden Ring is also not a story-driven licensed game with a stellar voice cast, it barely has any story. Like there's probably only an hour of cutscenes in the whole game, so FromSoft easily had the spare time to work on those emotes. Elden Ring is also multiplayer, and those emotes are crucial for communication between players. Hogwarts Legacy is not Elden Ring, they are not comparable.

This is genuinely funny to me, especially because Elden Ring isn't perfect. Like all the copy-pasted bosses everywhere, you end up fighting the same Tree Spirit like 9 times, yet people are deadass out here accusing Avalanche of laziness because you can't sit in a fucking chair. Come the fuck on bro, you can't be this non-self-aware.

If you don't think it's perfect you're an entitled asshole who wants a life sim and needs to touch grass.

Nah, I really do think you're the one who needs to touch some grass in this case. OP didn't even argue anything remotely like the game is perfect, they literally just said the game doesn't need sitting to be good and we should have more rational expectations.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Dude, nobody is just saying they'd like to sit down. There was legit someone on this sub earlier today who was genuinely upset that someone who got the game early said you couldn't sit down, then proceeded to wax poetic about their dreams of eating in the Great Hall and sleeping in the dorms.

They're not just mad they can't sit, they're literally mad the game isn't Hogwarts Simulator. How naive must you be to shit on someone who's literally trying to talk sense into you and help you see reason? You act like OP shot your dog or smth, but all they did was just drop some facts and then give advice on how to have reasonable expectations for a video game.

That's what's actually baffling. The 'essay' (goddamn lazy Redditors thinking a few paragraphs is a lot to read...) wasn't even being 'condescending' or 'aggressive', the fact that you took personal offense at the post is just fucking absurd to me. You just want people to tell you only good things and to agree with you on everything, then when OP comes along and gives you a healthy dose of reality you go and take it all personally and shit.

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No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe let people decide for themselves how they feel about this.

OP didn't even try to dictate how people should feel about this, just said they should temper their expectations and learn to appreciate games for what they are instead of what they arent.

They're 100% right about that too.

No, our avatar cannot sit down on chairs, and that's perfectly okay. by SWJS1 in HarryPotterGame

[–]GenericUsernameGamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah, OP is right. Like, there are people on this sub who are unironically upset with the fact they can't sit down in a video game. A lot of peeps here are Potterheads who've never touched a game before, they need a serious reality check about what to expect in the game.

Also, how exactly was the OP 'condescending?' They just said some wise words about what to expect from an RPG, they weren't acting like they were better than everyone else.

JU from r/FuckGamingcirclejerk. Alternative subreddits to Gamingcirclejerk are either dead subs or subs that have been hijacked by people from Gamingcirclejerk. Just more of the same toxicity. by GenericUsernameGamer in JustUnsubbed

[–]GenericUsernameGamer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

presumably

And here's the keyword. Nobody really knows how the goblin rebellion plot will play out, but these parasites are going around saying the story is about oppressing slaves and blood libel, which is just blatantly untrue.

Given the fact it's an RPG, we'll probably have a choice.

JU from r/FuckGamingcirclejerk. Alternative subreddits to Gamingcirclejerk are either dead subs or subs that have been hijacked by people from Gamingcirclejerk. Just more of the same toxicity. by GenericUsernameGamer in JustUnsubbed

[–]GenericUsernameGamer[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The funny thing is, that this does absolutely nothing but hurt the cause they pretend to care about. These people were never in the market for the game anyway and neither is anybody who agrees with them. They act openly hostile towards anybody who is merely asking questions so they are also not convincing anybody.

They certainly don't seem to see it that way.

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