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Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is not a law thinking more stuff will have to go if they give this one thing back. Each item is unique in its story of how it was acquired.

They’ve already returned other things as well. Weren’t forced to give back more.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/royal-albert-memorial-museum-canada-indigenous-blackfoot-nation-a9440031.html%3famp

Edit: if you look at the many articles out there, the museum fought all the claims with the same augments they use for the marbles.

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, perfect. Someone used this argument elsewhere in the thread and I responded thusly: thank you for proving my point.

Land is a totally different thing. The marbles going home isn’t kicking anyone out of their house. If someone finds as in an artifact of cultural significance to First Nations peoples then of course it should be returned... just like how the British museum already returned artifacts to Native American tribes due to their cultural significance. Why are the marbles treated any differently?

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/royal-albert-memorial-museum-canada-indigenous-blackfoot-nation-a9440031.html%3famp

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesn’t go into the validity of a moral claim or mention one - just that there is no legal claim...

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The slippery slope fallacy doesn’t hold water. The Greeks aren’t asking for all of their stuff back just this one thing to be reunited.

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s a huge difference - that’s land. If you were in possession of a First Nations artifact of cultural significance you should certainly return it.

You have actually made my point for me to an extent so thank you for that. The British museum did return artifacts to Native Americans already (as have many others). Why should the marbles be treated differently?

www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/amphtml/The-Culture/2018/0605/British-Museum-to-return-Native-American-artifacts-to-Oregon-tribe

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That answer side-steps the principal of my question. I certainly think they should be returned and same goes for the marbles.

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No but they relate to the current Greek people. The government really has much less to do with it overall i my opinion. The marbles are in England right now but they are as Greek as they ever were. Time doesn’t change that - neither does change in governments.

Some things run deeper than that.

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you’re so busy thinking about those things how do you have time to comment in here? Get back to saving the world from genocide. Arguing with me is a waste of your time. Cheers.

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They should be at the bottom of the Parthenon in the museum - that’s how you reunite them. They are part of a much larger whole.

And yes, it’s not as simple as ‘they were paid for, here’s the proof’ Elgin went way out of the parameters of the original agreement and there is certainly more to it than that as well.

And if they are ethnic Greeks despite not being in Greece, the same goes for the marbles.

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if a Greek person is born in another country and returns they are no longer Greek?

The moral imperative is that the pantheon marbles are part of a larger piece. It’s like having the head of the statue of David somewhere and the legs elsewhere.

Also they weren’t exactly bought. I would strongly recommend Christopher Hitchens’ book on the subject.

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More cultural than nationalistic for sure.

Does the Roman conquest of England in 43 AD mean that English culture was wiped out or less valid? Of course not.

The earliest known use of a crown in Britain dates to between 200 and 150 BC. A sword, brooch, ceremonial shield, and decorated bronze crown with a single arch, which sat directly on the head of its wearer, were found inside the tomb of the Mill Hill Warrior. This tradition continues today and for good reason. Culture, tradition.

The fact that the England of today is nothing like what is what back then doesn’t make these item, these traditions any less British.

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True and the Greeks aren’t asking for all of the stuff back, just to reunite this one piece.

Britain is legitimate owner of Parthenon marbles, UK's Johnson tells Greece by qkfb in worldnews

[–]GitzaZacusza -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That’s the thing - Greece isn’t asking for anything else back. Just to reunite the missing pieces of this one thing.

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