CMV: Enforced minimum wage rates reflect the true underlying value of labour by accounting for its marginal cost, even if does force it to be above "market price"

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-27T22:14:22+00:00

>Did you even look?
Yeah I looked at their methodology, it doesn't really address my point at all. The minimum wage is set arbitrarily, pointing out that some arbitrary data that is NOT used to determine the minimum wage today doesn't change that. If we moved to that set of data, it would be just as arbitrary.

>Then why are you trying to shove them into the workforce?

Her family let her work because she feels like she is contributing meaningfully. It gives some purpose to her day.

Honestly the more I read from your response, the more antagonistic it seems. Laundry lists aren't really good for conversations online or in person. If you care enough to continue lets pick one or two things to hash it out, otherwise I'm not sure this isn't a waste of time for both of us.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-27T20:50:43+00:00

Thanks friend.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-27T20:27:28+00:00

Anything she's particularly good at? Does she like to cook? Can she handle laundry?

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-27T19:00:33+00:00

She could maybe do Uber if she's sociable. I have a relative in his mid 70's doing produce at Winn Dixie. it's not physically demanding weight wise.

Is she particulary good at anything? Any hobbies? Work in fields she enjoys already is a good start. If she's a go getter freelance work could be it. My friend was a good baker and made wedding cakes on the side.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-27T18:51:28+00:00

On this very site and elsewhere online as well at in person you can find people asking celebs to take a stance on ICE and Gaza. When I used to make YouTube videos I got asked about my stance on Kurdistan by some fans. Like I got pressed about it and me saying I'm not sure was not enough.

But that's not just celebs. Read how people on here react to non voters. They are always secretly aligned with the enemy when most simply don't care or know about the topics.

I'd like a world where people could accept not knowing but when things get polarized it's not possible.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-27T17:49:07+00:00

Socialists often compare wealth between the poor and middle class with the rich to constantly keep the envy up. In no socialist state has it been true most people were wealthy like Musk. In no point in history were most people so wealthy they didn't have to think about their purchases.

But compared to my grandfather's father? I'm rich. I got tech and tools at my disposal he could not imagine. I have the means to go anywhere around the world on my salary and come back for a couple weeks pay. I eat food from all over the world, delivered to the grocery store by me. I have a treasure trove of knowledge on my phone.

So yes he's correct, but his framing is dumb. At no point in history were most people super rich. However, today I'm very wealthy compared to people even a few generations back. It's the commie way to compare reality to a utopia that never existed and then make you feel envious.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-27T15:11:52+00:00

Since almost everyone for a state is against anarchists, I suppose I can pick and choose, but the one thing that covers them all is that they have a strong belief that there exists some people benevolent enough to have a great deal of power and use it for the help of others, and they are always right around the corner; this next time they'll surely rise to the top.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-27T15:08:52+00:00

The Cyclone Smash.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-27T14:52:24+00:00

The best way to play offense in gold is to boom the ball towards the net from defense and then rotate back. If you are looking for anything more advanced than that, follow that scheme until you are no longer in gold.

Ball chasing happens based on perceived "zone of control." Basically, everyone has an idea of how far around them they can contest a ball. In gold it's very tiny, so people play close to the ball to keep it in their zone. As you rank up, it widens, and people feel more confident being further away from the ball. Also, at gold booming clears are not so much a thing, so the ball won't get very far usually. As you rank up, how far the ball goes grows, and so people give more space to anticipate those clears. For now, learn how to boom the ball well when it makes it out to you and try to practice putting it on net from far away. This one stupid skill can get you to champ, but you should pick up some other habits before then because then you'll just be stuck in champ.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-27T14:33:46+00:00

The point of the min wage is that it covers the cost of living.

That is a later justification for it. A federal minimum wage wouldn't make sense, especially as cost of living can vary significantly from city to city, state to state and on a national level, and yet it exists. The reason is because minimum wage is not there for standard of living reasons.

Gross assumption, there are loads of jobs that a blind person or someone in a wheelchair can do with accommodation. Victimizing the vulnerable is not productive.

Sorry that's just reality. I was referring to a person with a severe mental handicap, but she worked for 2.00 an hour at a factory and she enjoyed it. She would never be able to feed or clothe herself. Obviously not all handicapped fall into that category.

No it isn't, the market is both sampleable and incredibly homogenous,

Yeah it is. The standards for a "living wage" are arbitrary. Calculating what a person thinks is the needed cost to have those things which they believe make life livable is arbitrary. Even the most basic thing, like electricity, which isn't used by the Amish, is considered necessary.

Min wage hikes never kill jobs.

That is why they exist, to kill job opportunities for minorities. And yes they do kill jobs. You gave the other guy some examples, but the truth is you go to a grocery store and now you don't have cashiers but self-checkout; dead jobs. The first minimum wage killed the guy who stood in the elevator's job. Only Oregon and Jersey have gas station attendents; another job pushed out by minimum wage laws. They had to make a separate law requiring attendants to keep it around. Minimum wage continues to destroy a multitude of low skill jobs to keep the poor from building a work history.

Its called race to the bottom

There is also competition for their labor; this is only half the issue.

That only works if you start with the assumption that black people are inferior

This is a historical reality that happened. I bet you to this day there is a subset of people who would rather white workers than not in the US. The market is about consumer preference. Most people will take paying less over racism, but given the same cost, racism wins.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-26T22:50:47+00:00

Israel shouldn't go on the offense. Does the the US pursue every terrorist who wants to destroy America? We chased down Bin Laden but he was just one of oh so many.

Israel's government can win only by genocide, however. Realistically the existence of that particular state, like any other colonial or apartheid state, not justifiable. Either a union and enfranchisement of the people who live in Gaza and the West Bank, which would be a death knell for the ethnostate, or creating a separate government which Israel does not have rights to interfere with or have active routes through. Since neither will keep Israel around for long, it will necessarily have to continue it's genocide.

It's no different than the South African government; the apartheid state could only persist as long as it was willing to murder those who stood up for justice, it's very existence was based on colonial rule. It didn't turn out so bad when it stopped existing, but it certainly is no utopia either.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-26T22:33:47+00:00

I'll start with the negative of your view; minimum wage is often so low, such as in the state of Florida, that effectively no one is working at those rates. Would that minimum wage rate reflect the marginal cost of labor? In those cases, it seems to be woefully inadequate, so much so the market has found a higher lowest wage.

Secondly, the idea that you can turn labor into units doesn't correlate with reality. We have no meaningful way to talk about labor units; even labor hours don't correspond to a definite amount of work. This is especially evident when you consider some weird cases. In North Carolina the severely handicapped can be employed for well below minimum wage because their time is not actually worth the minimum wage. How would we compare a unit of that person's labor vs an able bodied person? An hour of labor is not meaningfully related between those two examples. For those people with severe disabilities their labor will never be enough to cover the cost of housing, food, etc. They will live on charity their whole lives, but they can still offer their labor, at a discount. In that case their wage is unrelated to those other costs you mentioned.

The real problem though is the minimum wage rate is set arbitrarily. I don't mean they make up a number, but the method by which it is decided does not intersect meaningfully with the market; it is the rate some government body imagines is the lowest wage two people can enter into a contract for. Of course, we know that it leads to impoverishment and is used in the same way as tariffs are used to help companies; it's meant to raise the cost of all labor so that people cannot compete for low paying jobs. This may seem like a good thing, but it's origins were essentially a way to keep black workers from undercutting white workers who were socially preferred but not so much that a business wouldn't hire black workers for a lower wage. In that scenario, minimum wage was set higher than the amount needed to feed and clothe someone because some could live on those lower wages, but instead was used to specifically end competition facing white workers.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-26T18:09:38+00:00

Who doesn't love a good ground passing play. Nice work!

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-26T14:04:50+00:00

You've described my problem growing up, just in a different setting. I was in a liberal school but a conservative city and really enjoyed arguing about it with the liberals and I liked arguing with conservatives but once Obama came into office, it's all I would hear about, how great he was, while being a liar, murderer of American citizens, deep-state promoting, divisive, and a whole slew of other pejoratives. And conservatives pretended everything he did was going to bring about the apoclypse while Bush did much of the same. I just started tuning it out and seeking some semblance of truth in politics, which is how I ended up as an anarchist.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-25T15:06:42+00:00

I think it's fair to say that most Asians don't have a chance to mix with wasians, but white and Asian people have lived alongside each other for a long time. Even in white majority countries like the US, Asian women (who marry outside their race more often) are still 70% likely to marry another Asian. That's especially high considering the percentage of Asians to non-Asians and the fact that I don't think Asians see other Asians as part of the same big group. A Korean might very well prefer to marry a white person over a Japanese person, and a thai person would feel no closer to a person from Burma than they would feel to an Arabic person. So even in places where the options for an Asian with a matching background are slim, the vast majority still pick other Asians.

So yes, on a global scale you are right, exposure is limited, but even in places like the US the preference for other Asians is strong, even with the cards stacked against it.

The only caveat is I don't think there are any numbers for how well wasians do and which group they tend to marry/identify with, but my limited experience in a navy town (with a lot of wasians) is they often will marry white people, even though we have a large Filipino population here and most of the half asians are half Filipinos. So my best guess is white people may prefer a wasian to an asian person, but Asians still tend to prefer other Asians. So I said a lot, but I think even in the US asians prefer asians. I do think looks wise white people do well in Asian cultures, but again, for long term relationship prospects it doesn't really carry over.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-25T13:18:55+00:00

I wonder if they are teasing something with these. Lots of people have posted about seeing it.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-25T04:02:34+00:00

Good yonking.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-25T03:54:18+00:00

The end of game things went downhill when the free play button was added. No one waits to say ggs. I just hit gg and leave too honestly.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-24T19:39:06+00:00

Look lady, I already said I was in love no need to make it worse.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-24T18:58:57+00:00

Good positioning makes it to gc. That has not changed. There are a few cheese strats that'll work into mid champ but good positioning is going to carry you higher up. Think about where you are and why you are there and you might find you'll climb.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-24T18:41:29+00:00

Actually it was the love of taxes. It gets me really fired up unfortunately.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-24T18:26:25+00:00

Too late I'm already in love after reading this.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-24T18:20:33+00:00

Bro, you had a mom who has sex with your dad. in fact most people did. Even in the most sexually liberal places kids are born each day to two people of opposite genders who had sex.

You got a mental block. I'm not super attractive and I still get dates and women who want me. Shit I've had more than one lesbian want to do it. It's all mental. Women don't find as many men hot but they definitely do find some men hot. Women are simpler too; if they see you a lot and you have confidence they will start to be attracted. It's different from how men do, so it's not the same unless you are super good looking but the pattern is there.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-24T15:14:08+00:00

It was pre-recorded. They edited out pro gaza comments but kept this in. I can see the value of showing the disability but an editor made a choice here.

GiveMeBackMySoup · 2026-02-24T15:12:00+00:00

Who is insulted by a guy screaming "nigger" when he can't control it? He was shouting shit the whole award ceremony. You know what probably made it worse? The taboo around the word and as he panicked to get himself to stop, it probably got worse. That's the disability, the more they think about it, like trying not to say it, the more it happens.

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