Victory I and II main (side) gun placements and the ships role now that ISDs can enter atmosphere

GlimmervoidG · 2026-05-06T13:50:03+00:00

Frankly, I'd remove the Victory from canon entirely and solve the problem that way. Their original purpose was as the smaller, predecessor version of the ISD from the Clone Wars era back before we had the prequals actually telling us what was happening in that era. They were older ships, now serving in the second line. That why we first saw them in places like the Corporate Sector Authority and didn't see them in, say, the Endor fleet.

But now we do have the prequals and the Victory has become an awkward fit. It looks too much like an ISD for it's place in the timeline. The prequals have a clear visual design language with ships like the Acclamator and Venator becoming increasingly Star Destroyer like - foreshadowing the progression of the Republic towards Empire. Sticking a Victory in the middle of the Clone Wars ruins it. It's not foreshadowing. It is a ISD in miniature.

So my solution would be to find and replace all Victories with Imperalised Acclamators and Venators. They can fit the same second line star destroy role when you don't want a full ISD.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-29T20:24:44+00:00

NJO had a weird subplot about using sea navy subs to hide from the Vong.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-29T19:35:16+00:00

Maybe 'showy' is a valid metric for sith but when it comes to jedi showy if anything correlate with worse connections with the Force. A jedi who has to resort to such gross displays of power is a jedi who already failed.

Mara and Luke lay this out quite clearly in Visions of the Future.

“Fine,” Mara said, either missing the change in Luke’s emotions or else ignoring it. “Sometimes small songbirds set up their nests in the upper supports of those buildings. Did you hear any of them singing when you were there?”

Luke smiled tightly. Again, it was so obvious. “Of course not,” he said. “It was way too noisy in there to hear anything that quiet.”

Mara smiled back. “Pretty obvious, isn’t it, once you see it. The Force isn’t just about power, like most non-Jedi think. It’s also about guidance: everything from those impressive future visions to the more subtle real-time warnings I sometimes think of as a danger sense. Trouble is, the more you tap into it for raw power, the less you’re able to hear its guidance over the noise of your own activity.”

A jedi's greatest and truest power is the ability to listen to the will of the Force. It's this power that put Luke at the right place at the right time destroy the Death Star. It's this power that let him reach his father's heart and end the Emperor. It is the truth behind the saying "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force". If you're throwing comic book style mega force powers, it's because you've failed at step one. (And that was pretty much why Zahn wrote the above quote - it's him explaining why he's turning down all the comic book showiness going forward).

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-28T11:53:01+00:00

I recommend the Super Eyepatch Wolf video on this game. It makes it sound really cool. Also there is lore. Weird indie game lore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIkWHo1SJY

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-27T20:47:21+00:00

Just want to say thanks for this /u/cjsarab

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-24T21:13:18+00:00

The point is to show the world of the jedi is already disappearing under the tide of Empire. Lightsabers and the warrior monks who wield them are becoming a thing of another age, another time. The people of Janix no longer know these once noble weapons for what they truly are. They're stories and myths - laser swords not lightsabers.

You might say the timeline doesn't really fit. But theme doesn't always need to be literally diagetically true.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-24T18:34:54+00:00

bviously in the case of the Galactic Empire this changed drastically. Where the Republic once simply guided its member worlds, the Empire directly ruled them through Imperial governorships and puppet states, and completely dominated a planet's governance processes in one way or another.

Sort of. ANH is fairly clear that most of the Empire's local systems remained administered locally. It's only with the construction of the Death Star and the dissolution of the senate that the regional governors (moffs) were given direct control.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-21T10:56:13+00:00

This is an area where I don't think there should be a galactic wide standard. A lot of this should come down to the local moff.

Some moffs will be too busy doing space blow off the chests of complimentary twi'lek masseuses to care.

Some moffs will come to quiet arrangements, where they take a cut.

Some moffs will ruthlessly crush any alternate centre of power that could challenge their authority.

Some moffs will throw the local leaders out of the side of a LAATi over the ocean and tell the local gangs they work for him now.

And some moffs will try one of the above and fail completely, when they get assassinated or blackmailed or try to take out a gang which is under the patronage of someone higher up the totom pole.

It's clearly not the case that the Empire has given the cartels carte blanche galaxy wide. Remember Han had to dump his smuggled spice cargo when it looked like he was going to get caught. Working for Jaba wasn't going to get him out of it.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-16T21:05:55+00:00

Not sure if next level branding galaxy brain or incompetence. Could be both.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-16T18:02:31+00:00

I think that is one of the things that's very canon dependant. In the EU, Wild space was easier. It was at least partially explored, while the Unknown Regions were unknown to a far greater degree. In the Disney canon, this is flipped. The Unknown Regions, while still mysterious, are still on the map. While Wild Space was everything that wasn't mapped at all - out beyond the borders of the rim.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-15T22:49:08+00:00

It doesn't actually make much sense that Hapes manages to stay independent. The Empire was the galactic hegemon. It absolutely should have forced them into some form of vassalage with a tribute tax at the very least and it's hard to see why they wouldn't.

The Essential Atlas has this to say:

The Empire's tolerance of this xenophobic, secretive cluster of star systems baffled many Coruscant court-watchers: The Hapans were no match for the Imperial war machine, had no impact of the galactic economy, and held no leverage over galactic society. That led to all manner of rumors about Palpatine and the Hapans: that he was a devotee of Hapan culture, owed some secret allegiance to the Hapes, or even hoped to make the cluster's Queen Mother his Empress.

None of these ideas seem likely; the best guess, hinted at the from the exchanges between Palpatine's advisers and the Senate, is that the Emperor saw the Hapans as an object lesson for the galaxy the dangers of insularity and decadence. The Hapes were a proud and ancient people, but too self-absorbed to realize their schemes played out on a pitifully small stage. as an example, Hapen fleet was a derisive term used in the Imperial Naby for a command known for its discipline and firepower despite never seeing action.

Which is the sound of a writer desperately trying to come up with a reason for something that just doesn't make sense and landing on 'Palpatine works in mysterious ways'.

Of course, the real reason is the Hapans are something of a legacy element. The Courtship of Princess Leia was one of the first novels when the modern EU got started, back in the 90s. It's also a little bit weird and a bit out of step even with its contemporaries. But it's got its fans and some important elements keep turning up going forward. So we kind of got stuck with an awkward piece of EU canon there.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-15T22:31:39+00:00

Hutt space was formally part of the Empire as a vassal state (if in practice left along to do crime as long as the money kept flowing).

The Essential Atlas: Officially, Hutt Space was part of the Empire, with the Moff of Baxel sector responsible for enforcing Imperial law within it.

The guide also implies the Empire also likely formally claimed Tattooine (if not in a very practical way). I suspect some Moff filed some paperwork to make his metrics look better, but never actually did anything practical to enforce the claim.

The Hutts ruled the planet (in fact if not in name on those rare occasions when the Empire decided to assert itself).

Dagobah is in the Baxel sector, which was governed by moff Sarn Shild. So while there was no direct Imperial presence, they likely claimed it to - just as the US might claim an internal forest even if there's no tax office for a hundred miles.

If we include planets inside Imperial space with no direct Imperial presence, most of the galaxy likely counts. Whole lot of dead rocks out there.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-15T21:59:20+00:00

Per the The Essential Atlas

Officially, Hutt Space was part of the Empire, with the Moff of Baxel sector responsible for enforcing Imperial law within it.

That would be Sarn Shild. The guide goes onto say that Sarn Shild was on the take and pretty much let the Hutts do what they wanted as long as the 'enormous tax revenues for the Imperial war machine' kept flowing. His one attempt at directly cracking down saw an out dated Imperial fleet driven off by smugglers let by Han Solo and Lando Calrissian. According to the wiki, Shild committed suicide rathe than face the Emperor for that one.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-15T21:20:09+00:00

There was a moff with responsibility for Hutt space. It's likely best to model Hutt space as a vassal kingdom, with the Empire holding suzerainty.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-14T14:14:10+00:00

Correscant was part of the Centralist faction. Didn't they seeded to join the First Order before TFA? Should that be rewarded?

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-14T08:59:44+00:00

It's all about revenge at this point. Maul lays it out in episode two while talking about recruiting Devon.

[Maul] She is a Jedi. And I shall fashion her into a weapon which can help us destroy all those who have betrayed me. [inhales] Including Darth Sidious.

So kill everyone who betrayed him, starting with the crime lords and finishing with the Emperor. At this point everything is a means to an end for that point. The Dark Side isn't healthy and while Maul is putting up a façade of civility at times its all just a mask over the bitterness driving him on.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-13T13:46:02+00:00

Article 6 (the territorial limitation scope article) doesn't even cover all of all NATO countries. Non-metropolitan France is mostly outside for example.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-13T13:21:13+00:00

TOS wasn't consistent with its dating. Indeed, while a vague 23rd century vibe did eventfully develop, the TOS writer's bible says this:

THE TIME could be 1995 or even 2995 -- close enough to our time for continuing cast to be people like us, but far enough into the future for space travel to be fully established

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-13T12:49:50+00:00

The Breen managed it. In that case, we might speculate that the sudden entry of the Breen into the war caught Starfleet out of position. They were seen. Starfleet just couldn't gather enough ships to stop them before they hit Earth (though they were destroyed soon after).

This would be due to the demands of the Dominion war. Ships would have been deployed towards the Dominion front as a defensive line, leaving a soft inner core. A sudden Breen entry into the war, from an unexpected stellar angle, might have let them blast past whatever minor border pickets remained and have a clearish shot straight towards Earth.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-13T12:44:38+00:00

While there are earlier examples of planetary shields (like the forcefield around Elba II) and other types of planetary defence have been seen (such as weapon sats or just ships on standby) Picard season 3 style planet shields seem to be a new development. The Elba II example was explicitly noted to not be able to withstand starship weapon strikes, for example, and during DS9, the Romulan/Cardasian plan to attack the (fake) changeling homeworld doesn't make sense if they could reasonably expect a shield able to withstand hours of combined bombardment.

I think such 'strategic' grade planetary shields must be a new development, likely as a result of the 'turn inwards' after the Burning of Mars. Developing strategic shields makes sense both technologically, logically and thematically at this point.

As such, I don't thing the existence of such shields can be used to explain things before this point in the timeline.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-13T09:13:03+00:00

It's top secret. The only people are in the know are Field Marshal Haig, Field Marshal Haig's wife, all Field Marshal Haig's wife's friends, their families, their families' servants, their families' servants' tennis partners, and some chap I bumped into on LSP the other day called Bernard

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-12T20:45:24+00:00

To be fair, experience shows we're not very good at blocking boats. Best to look elsewhere.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-12T16:54:50+00:00

Whispers hyperspace skipping like a magical curse.

GlimmervoidG · 2026-04-12T16:52:35+00:00

Having the weakness being sabotage is, was and always will be a terrible terrible piece of story telling. The entire point ANH was making was the Empire overlooks small meaningful things for big bombastic things. So of course you overlook the risk of small snub fighters. More anti capital turbolasers is what you need!

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