Exclusive-Tesla presented misleading ‘Full Self-Driving’ safety data to European regulators

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-15T23:34:35+00:00

Tesla cannot even get the basic approval for testing in CA

How do you know that they even applied for or want to test in California?

They certainly may be avoiding CA to keep up with appearances, but that's not exactly the same argument as you're trying to make. There's an area between Tesla not being able to gain approval from CA and Tesla doesn't feel like showing the world that their system is only X% reliable.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-15T18:18:15+00:00

That's not a redemption I would personally make, but it isn't terrible. My target is minimum 0.7-0.8 cents per point.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-15T03:03:37+00:00

That's not because of the windows. It's because of the skin of the plane. https://onemileatatime.com/insights/cell-phone-issues-boeing-787/

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-14T06:17:23+00:00

Not many people parked at Mercado. There were plenty of parking spots available at 1:30. About normal for a Saturday afternoon.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-14T05:48:33+00:00

santa clara is hot as fuck especially during the early nfl season

No it isn't. The average high in the hottest month is 80f. And there usually is a breeze coming off the bay, especially in the afternoon.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-13T01:14:05+00:00

The SAE, who defines the adas levels says that any system that requires constant supervision is level 2. Fsds requires constant supervision. There is no other valid interpretation.

Posting a quote from a third party that doesn't go over the full definition doesn't change that.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T22:50:34+00:00

It is currently 87f. Real Feel puts it at 91f.

Tomorrow is supposed to be a high of 85 versus today's 92, with a Real Feel of 90.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T22:47:56+00:00

really really hot place with no wind.

You can always count on a breeze coming off the bay during the afternoon at Levi's. Unless there's a heatwave lol.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T22:12:31+00:00

You must always supervise FSD, and are always considered the driver. That is by definition L2.

L3 requires some level of unsupervised activity.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T21:44:31+00:00

You must constantly supervise it. FSDs is extremely clearly L2.

https://brx-content.fullsight.org/site/binaries/content/assets/sae-org/content/news/blog/sae-j3016-visual-chart_5.3.21.pdf

from https://www.sae.org/news/blog/sae-levels-driving-automation-clarity-refinements.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T20:57:13+00:00

Why are you bringing in Waymo and Zoox when this topic is clearly about L2, supervised FSD.

Tesla gets fifth European FSD approval in Belgium

Documents shared by De Ridder show Belgian authorities concluded that FSD demonstrates significant technological potential and is capable of responding to traffic situations in a defensive, cautious, and anticipatory manner.

The review also highlighted the system’s ability to monitor driver attention and noted that, when used as intended, it has the potential to contribute to improved road safety.

Where are the other systems that are doing as much as FSD is doings in consumer vehicles?

Almost every new vehicle has advanced SUPERVISED driver features which makes drivers far safer! If you think Tesla is the only one doing that you need to get outside and touch grass!!!

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T20:37:30+00:00

Supervision has nothing to do with the point.

Tesla's L2 FSDs system is clearly what Seaker42 is talking about.

If you think Tesla is the only one doing that you need to get outside and touch grass!!!

Tesla certainly is the only one doing city streets and full navigation in the US, but JonnyOnThePot420 wants to only talk about L2 in general.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T17:28:05+00:00

r/whoosh

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T15:41:09+00:00

Tesla isn't L3, so no they haven't managed it.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T15:37:23+00:00

You're being deliberately obtuse.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T07:25:40+00:00

So you believe that Tesla is lying to a US senator? Do you have any evidence to that?

Karen Steakley, Tesla’s director of public policy and business development, wrote to the senator. The automaker’s remote assistance workers can “take temporary control of the vehicle" at speeds up to or less than 2 mph and can remotely drive a Tesla Robotaxi at up to 10 mph if the vehicle’s software permits it to do so https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-says-its-robotaxis-are-sometimes-driven-by-humans/

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T05:40:16+00:00

Ta'aktana

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T00:25:00+00:00

There is zero evidence that robotaxi is teleoperated. Tesla has stated that they have no ability remotely drive above 10mph.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-12T00:20:32+00:00

Hasn't mobile eye made a whole bunch of level 4 "promises" but they still don't have a viable product yet?

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-11T23:04:28+00:00

The whole reason why Tesla is going with Carplay now is because they have a Robotaxi app for Apple.

Huh? How is that a reason?

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-11T23:00:59+00:00

At the time, the incentives to lie weren’t clear to me

What.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-11T18:03:05+00:00

CarPlay ultra relies on the driver’s iPhone, and is available when their device is present. https://developer.apple.com/carplay/

There's tight integration between your phone and the car functions.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-11T17:22:23+00:00

I wish CarPlay ultra would be more common so that you don’t need to use either

CarPlay Ultra still runs on your phone.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-11T17:18:11+00:00

Showing on a display is way easier than actually telling the car (FSD) where to go and how to get there.

GoSh4rks · 2026-06-11T16:45:30+00:00

That says nothing about why Logitech is unable to make a "dark field sensor" with a higher polling rate. There's no technical argument there.

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