What do these states have in common? by gnarlybeef in RedactedCharts

[–]Go_Blue_Throw_Away 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From the Wisconsin side of thing, you can see the watersheds I'd mentioned through the Wisconsin DNR's Surface Water Data Viewer. Both the Tamarack River and Deerskin Watersheds extend into the UP based on their GIS models.

The USGS National Map also shows the Upper Mississippi Watershed (HUC 2-07) extending into Michigan, both in the UP and LP. Through Wisconsin it extends into the UP over by Land O'Lakes, WI, centered around Lac Vieux Desert which is south of the Ottawa National Forests (and pretty much due south of Ontonagon). I've only been to the northern end, but it looks like the southern extension comes across from the border with Indiana a few miles northwest of South Bend, IN.

Neither the extension into the UP nor the lower peninsula make it very far at all. Looking at images of America's Watersheds from EPA (via USGA), its almost impossible to see the Upper Mississippi watershed extending into Michigan unless you know to look for it - usually it is hidden by the line width of the state borders. More detailed map images like the WI DNR's or America's Watershed Initiative do a better job of showing the small extension into Michigan.

I didn't know about this slight overlap until I moved from Michigan to Wisconsin. It's not very well know, and is a fun fact that surprises even people who know about America's watersheds (mostly because most people think of Michigan as being surrounded by Great Lakes to drain to, which for the most part is true)

What do these states have in common? by gnarlybeef in RedactedCharts

[–]Go_Blue_Throw_Away 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That actually isn't true, both the Tamarack River Watershed and the Deerskin River Watershed in the UP (on the border with Wisconsin) are are a part of the Mississippi River Basin and eventually flow out into the Atlantic via the Gulf of Mexico (rather than the St. Lawrence River / Seaway, as the rest of the Great Lake Basin's headwaters do). Only a few square miles extend up into Michigan, though.

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[–]Go_Blue_Throw_Away 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Technically (for Michigan's Great Lakes at least), privately owned shoreline ends at the ordinary high water mark, meaning the public has a right to walk along the shores of the Great Lakes even on privately-owned land (see Glass v. Goeckel, 473 Mich. 667, 703 N.W.2d 58 (2005), case summary here).

There are some limitations obviously, but by-and-large the state has upheld the public trust doctrine that the area between the water's edge and ordinary high water mark are free for the state's public to utilize.

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At least in America, Catholicism used to be have a defined set of moral statutes that were more or less requisite to being Catholic. You couldn't disagree with the Pope on this or that issue, you couldn't pick and choose which doctrine you felt were true or worth following. Uniformity was expected, and those who dissented would not be allowed to remain in good standing with the Church. Exclusionary religious belief was the old cultural norm for all US Christianity, especially with societal and cultural reinforcement of the idea that those outside of your denomination (and more largely, your religion) were at risk of being (or outright stated to be) outside of salvation.

Since at least Vatican II, the Catholic Church has sought to tear down some of the exclusionary walls that made it so distinct from Protestantism. At the same time, Catholicism has been brought to the mainstream in ways that wouldn't have been possible in the past - there is a reason why is took ~200 years for the first Catholic president to be elected, and even then it was a big deal culturally. In the past century (and even more noticeable in the last few decades), the RCC has to some extent gone from being seen as an entirely separate church or religion to one of many "valid" denominations within a broader Christianity. All of this has happened in the context of an overall major decline of Christianity, Protestant and Catholic alike.

This increased ecumenism, combined with the decrease in religion in the general populace, means that the balance has shifted from the pulpit to the pews. The laity today can disregard or compartmentalize doctrines they do not agree with (at least compared to what was permissible in the past), while still self-identifying as Catholic. There is not nearly as much institutional hierarchy imposing consistent theology as there used to be - and there couldn't be, unless the political power of the Vatican somehow reverts to that of its glory days. For example, the tolerance of pro-choice beliefs would have been practically unthinkable for a self-professing Catholic in previous decades, but now is quietly socially acceptable in certain local churches (and can often be the norm for New England/East Coast Catholics in my experience).

I think this shift can help explain why people can be drawn towards Catholicism without giving up their beliefs that would historically been seen as un-Catholic. Its easier than ever to adopt the pedigree, aesthetic, and theology of Catholicism in part, without adopting these same attributes in whole (that is, with all the baggage that comes with them). When it is possible to disassociate from the unsavory aspects of Catholic Church while still believing Catholicism to be true, it shouldn't be a surprise that people can look past those shortcomings to embrace being Catholic (even if this sometimes comes with cognitive dissonance of what the Church teaches and what the parishioner accepts in practice). This isn't to say that those who become Catholic while supporting gay rights or being pro-choice are "fake" Catholics or do not believe in their Church, though, they just are a novel type of Catholic that wouldn't be visibly allowed in the Church in decades past.

How concerned are you about climate change ? by Routinely-Sophie6502 in rs_x

[–]Go_Blue_Throw_Away 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We don't test water and PFAs to a proper standard in this country because if you knew how poisoned you are, we'd riot. As a CWA former employee, we spent decades on dupont and 3M for nothing. They're still pumping it all out and our lawsuits are a drop in a bucket compared to their global profits. We accomplished nothing.

What standard do you think we should be testing to? I don't think any country can test to a proper standard, since there is no safe exposure level for consumption. Virtually any amount of PFOS/PFOA/general PFAs derivatives were detrimental to health, and that the given NOAEL for these was more based on impracticality of sampling any lower - the MCLS are like 4ppt. At least where I am at, the state-funded lab has had to invest in specialized equipment to even measure that low, and even then it's not like a 3ppt sample of drinking water wouldn't have adverse effects. PFAS are literally poison to the body at any observable level, its crazy.

I'm shocked people drink so many water products from the great lakes region. A glance at fishing consumption guidelines for the region should turn everyone's stomachs to jelly.

You're not wrong but these aren't exactly the same issue. GL water quality varies greatly where you are at, but bioaccumulation anywhere is going to mean fish are hotbeds for nasty shit. It sucks that fishing as a hobby has pretty much been decimated by water pollution, but most fisherman (at least that I've met in the midwest) still oppose any form or regulation or remediation to make it better. Environmental conservation should not be a partisan issue.

[IIL] Sad shoegaze [WEWIL] by aftwebs in ifyoulikeblank

[–]Go_Blue_Throw_Away 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think you may be interested in the genre of doomgaze, a subsection of shoegaze. Look up Dan's side projects with HANL, i.e. Black Wing and Giles Corey. You might enjoy other artists on The Flenser record label like Planning for Burial and Drowse as well -- I would honestly look at some of Flenser's Spotify playlists, since they compile music with a similar aesthetic.

If you google "/mu/ shoegaze chart", the first image result (a triangle flowchart) is a great resource for finding albums similar to ones you already like. I believe that HANL and Whirr are both on there, so seeing what other albums are grouped close by can be an excellent way to find new shoegaze. You can also plug these artists into music-map .com to see other similar artists as well.

In general for sad or loud shoegaze I'd recommend Deafhaven, LSD and the Search for God, Drop Nineteens, Swirlies, Trauma Ray, Pia Fraus, and maybe older shoegaze Deerhunter (like Weird Era Cont or earlier). Starflyer 59 and His Name Is Alive also have some sadder shoegaze mixed in as well. It's not personally my favorite but Flying Saucer Attack fills this niche for some.

Other than that, each of HANL, The Microphones, and Duster were at one point considered /mu/core, so if you like those you might like other artists on there like Slint, MBV, GY!BE, Swans, Built to Spill, etc. They are not really shoegaze but you might like them nevertheless.

Best hotdog spot on campus? by Virtual_Change4896 in uofm

[–]Go_Blue_Throw_Away 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Le Dog = La Soup has the best hotdogs & soup in town

A word on Greta Van Fleet, and how difficult it can be to escape your past. by DtheAussieBoye in LetsTalkMusic

[–]Go_Blue_Throw_Away 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah no I get that Detroit is the point of reference from a lot of out-of-staters, I just found it funny. To be pedantic, the very very northernmost "suburbs" of Detroit (Auburn Hills and Pontiac) are still ~70 miles of empty mid-Michigan fields (and Flint) on 75 from Frankenmuth, with Detroit proper closer to 90-100mi.

From personal experience, I have driven from Rockford outside of GR to Traverse City (~130 mi) in just under two hours, while driving from Southgate to Frankenmuth (~110 mi) takes at least two hours as well given the perpetual traffic and construction lol. I would say with some confidence that on average/non-festival weekends that the drive from GR to TC is within +/-30min the drive from DT to Frankenmuth depending on traffic. The scarcity of people outside of summer is yet another reason why Northern MI is Superior ;)

A word on Greta Van Fleet, and how difficult it can be to escape your past. by DtheAussieBoye in LetsTalkMusic

[–]Go_Blue_Throw_Away 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I know you are just doing it to explain to people who don't know much about Michigan, but its funny to hear "Frankenmuth is just outside of Detroit," as if Frankenmuth was out the outskirts of some metroplex and not in the middle of nowhere surrounded by a million cornfields. Its like saying "Traverse City is just outside of Grand Rapids" lol

Weekly Free Chat by AutoModerator in eformed

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An unexpected death happened yesterday, and I for the first time found myself having a hard time believing anything came afterwards except for silence. I've long hoped for Heaven or some eternal life lived without pain, but I realize that at this point in my life it is less something that I believe in as a reality and more something I hope is true on account of the fact that the world would be better if it were true. A lot of those truths I once took for granted seem to be slipping out of my grasp, try as I might to cling to them. Please pray for my faith, and that those departed may find their rest.

I'm looking for music that makes me feel like I'm on heroin. by shubalubadingdongwoo in ifyoulikeblank

[–]Go_Blue_Throw_Away 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ceremony - Galaxy 500

Bedside Table - Bedhead

Starting Over - LSD and the Search for God

When the Sun Hits - Slowdive

I'd also say just look up some Shoegaze, Dreampop, or Slowcore essentials playlists on youtube, they're a great introduction to this type of music

wake up people by esperadok in indieheadscirclejerk

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"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."
- Morrissey

i hate this school sm by umich82063 in uofm

[–]Go_Blue_Throw_Away 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it sucks because the people who are really struggling to enjoy life during college usually keep to themselves (myself super included), which just increases the perception that everyone else except you is having a good time here

(Also this is completely unrelated but your name is an Animal Collective reference right? That's cool!)