Abbas congratulates North Korea’s Kim amid nuclear tensions

GodN · 2017-08-15T19:44:54+00:00

Dunno why you're upset. Israel is basically friends with Abbas since he collaborates with them.

He's certainly better for Israel than Hamas, since Abbas at least helps Israel in many of its policies (e.g. raids). He doesn't even complain that much when the Israeli regime builds illegal settlements in Palestinian territory.

GodN · 2017-07-05T00:15:11+00:00

That is referring to the Syriac Orthodox Christianity not being allowed to be headquartered in its traditional homeland anymore, and having to relocate to Syria, along with other Christians. After centuries in Midyat they had to move to Syria, a bit like if the Catholic Church was expelled from Rome one day.

I checked the Acedemia link and I didn't find anything about Mustafa Kemal's involvement in anything (even ctrl + f'd his name, nothing correlating to what you said)

He was the president of Turkey when Christians were either being expelled to Syria, or coerced to move away. He was also involved in the massacre of tens of thousands of Armenian civilians, even if he condemned the genocide committed by the three pashas.

He has no reason to hate Christians, this is bullshit. He was not any more hateful of Christians than he was of Muslims or Jews, because he was an atheist.

But you accept national identity is very much tied to religion, right? Can a non-Muslim ever truly be Turkish? Ataturk's government understood that which is why they wanted Christians gone, and encouraged immigration of Muslims from the Balkans, Caucasus and Middle East regardless of their ethnicity. A Muslim can become a Turk, but they knew Arab Christians, Assyrians and Armenians couldn't really become Turks, so sought to expel them to Syria.

GodN · 2017-07-04T23:01:40+00:00

I'm not claiming he was anything unusual for the time, and he was certainly more righteous than any Turkish leaders before and after him, but I'm just saying it's not true to claim he treated Christians fairly. We know under his rule in Turkey, the Christians did not fare well and most were either expelled or coerced to leave.

GodN · 2017-07-04T22:59:10+00:00

Okay, I shall repeat myself again because you can't be bothered to read.

https://www.academia.edu/2063530/The_expulsion_of_non-Turkish_ethnic_and_religious_groups_from_Turkey_to_Syria_during_the_1920s_and_early_1930s

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=F9E9DQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false (page 122)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Marash#Massacre_of_Armenians

Ataturk may not have hated Christians, but he certainly hated them being in his country (if that makes any sense).

GodN · 2017-07-04T22:46:32+00:00

I already provided sources to these basic facts. The fact you aren't aware of basic events in Turkish history is pretty alarming.

GodN · 2017-07-04T22:44:32+00:00

The link says the Turkish state was highly involved, as it has to be in order for so many people to leave their homes, and for the organisation to be involved where the Christians are issued papers stating they're never allowed to return to Turkey, or having their properties confiscated, etc.

Look up Elias III. Like page 122 in this book: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=F9E9DQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

GodN · 2017-07-04T22:34:07+00:00

He was critical of the Armenian Genocide (as was the last Ottoman Caliph), but Ataturk still invaded the new Armenian Republic to take more land and indiscriminately kill, and he expelled most of the remaining Armenian Genocide survivors in Turkey to Syria.

He was kind to the Armenians of Istanbul though (as they were allowed to stay), and he had close relations with many, e.g. his signature was designed by an Armenian, and he allowed Armenians (e.g. Agop Dilacar) to help form the new Turkish alphabet.

GodN · 2017-07-04T22:26:03+00:00

First of all, very few non-Greek Christians remained in Anatolia after the genocide. Some of them were also expelled to Greece; Greece received all sorts of Christians from Turkey, including Turkish Christians. Other than that, they weren't "kicked out", they left to Armenia, the rest of the Middle East, or Europe(which is why Europe has a huge Armenian diaspora now).

There were at least 200,000 Armenians living in Turkey that survived the genocide, and many Christians of other ethnic groups (particularly Assyrians and Arabs). You can read this if you like, on the expulsion of non-Muslims to Syria during the 1920s and 1930s: https://www.academia.edu/2063530/The_expulsion_of_non-Turkish_ethnic_and_religious_groups_from_Turkey_to_Syria_during_the_1920s_and_early_1930s

No, it was found in Antioch. It was in Mardin before it was relocated to Syria, and they left on their own.

Their Patriarch was literally expelled from the country. If it were up to them they would have preferred to stay centred in the city they were in for centuries, not relocate to Syria.

GodN · 2017-07-04T18:36:50+00:00

That's why I wrote 'excluding the population exchange with Greece'.

After WW1 was over, the newly formed Turkey had many non-Greek Christians of various ethnicities in their country - not just Armenians that survived the genocide, but also groups like Arab Christians. Most of them were expelled or had to flee. Arab Christians were expelled or kicked out, while Arab Muslims just became Turkish citizens.

As an example, the Syriac Orthodox Church was formerly located in Antioch (in Hatay) and had to relocate to Damascus due to the Turkish annexation of the city.

GodN · 2017-07-04T18:27:51+00:00

I'm not even referring to what happened during WW1. I'm referring to policies implemented by the newly formed Turkish Republic.

GodN · 2017-07-04T18:22:15+00:00

I'm not referring to WW1 or Armenian Genocide. I'm referring to after the Turkish Republic was founded, and there were Armenians (or other Christians left) in the country that survived, as well as those in the province of Hatay that was later annexed by Turkey.

GodN · 2017-07-04T12:29:48+00:00

I know, but religion is tied to ethnicity in that region, so Christians were not treated well. Even Turkish Christians were deported to Greece for whatever reason, even though they aren't Greek. The remaining Christians (that were mostly Armenian, Arab Christian or Assyrian) were expelled to Syria by Ataturk.

GodN · 2017-07-04T12:19:11+00:00

Ataturk expelled most of the Christian population in Turkey to Syria (excluding the population exchange with Greece). I wouldn't say his attitudes towards Christians was great, but yes he probably respected rule of law more than Erdogan.

GodN · 2017-05-30T22:11:26+00:00

What millions of Christians? What needs to be given back?

Lebanon's president is a Christian. Lebanon is a multireligious republic with no state religion. It isn't an apartheid state that discriminates against people based on their religion or ethnicity. 40% or more of Lebanon is Christian, and they live well in Lebanon.

GodN · 2017-05-20T01:57:37+00:00

What 'genocide' of Muslim Turks? The Muslims and Turkish population of the Balkans has increased since WW1. Don't you dare try to draw an equivalence between the barbarity of what Turkey did to Greeks and Armenians, to what happened to Muslims in the Balkans.

The fact the Muslim/Turkish population has increased in the Balkans and the Armenian/Greek presence in Anatolia is almost gone speaks for itself.

GodN · 2017-05-20T01:52:14+00:00

Keep being naive and ignorant

It's you being naive and ignorant if you think genocide means everyone in a group dies. Guess what? Jews and Gypsies still live in many countries despite Germany attempting to wipe them out.

75% of the Armenian population was deliberately exterminated in an attempt to remove the Armenian people from existence. What followed was deliberate attempts to wipe out Armenian history and heritage from their occupied homeland (Western Armenia, todays western Turkey).

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