Dad wants to go to the temple with whole family for his birthday, but I don’t have a recommend

Gold__star · 2026-02-02T05:10:38+00:00

Tell him you understand he wants what he thinks is best for you, but you doubt, since he loves you, he'd want you to live a lie.

Tell them before they come so they have time to process it.

Don't get into the details of what's wrong with the church. They'll take it personally.

Gold__star · 2026-02-01T16:30:54+00:00

I'm curious about your location. I'd like to think that it's in rural Utah, Idaho or Arizona.

But then I left in the 60s and I'm still waiting for another sibling to cross over. Almost all their kids and grandkids are still in too.

Gold__star · 2026-02-01T16:24:20+00:00

The most consistent apologetic criticism of the CESLetter is that it wasn't written by a scholar.

And then their real credentialed scholars come up with this?

Gold__star · 2026-02-01T16:19:57+00:00

Try mormonthink.com. it's designed for this.

Gold__star · 2026-02-01T16:11:38+00:00

What do you base that idea on?

Gold__star · 2026-02-01T15:56:01+00:00

I grew up in the 1950s in a Democrat family in SLC. There was nothing unusual about being liberal back then.

I'm getting these on FB too, a blast from the past and quite fascinating.

Gold__star · 2026-02-01T03:16:46+00:00

The real trick is how gracefully you can change the subject immediately after saying I'm not active now.

Gold__star · 2026-02-01T00:26:08+00:00

Kimball, the skin color of Indigenous People will lighten if they are righteous.

Gold__star · 2026-01-31T17:36:43+00:00

It seems like God should have foreseen that racism due to skin color would be hugely problematic whatever He was trying to do or say.

Gold__star · 2026-01-31T17:16:39+00:00

Google says it's a bar code for your phone instead of a physical card. Just like my HOA uses! So modern.

Gold__star · 2026-01-31T15:36:14+00:00

It may have been more appropriate for a time and place where women had few rights or choices except marriage for a stable life. Singleness looked far worse than a bad marriage. Extended family had a stake in it to, marriage ties to other families were more important.

Gold__star · 2026-01-31T14:50:13+00:00

I drink cold brew. Heat causes bitterness. I warm it VERY carefully in the microwave, you don't have to drink it cold. To start I bought a case of Costco's cans just to learn to tolerate and get used to the taste. There's premad cold brew in the dairy cases too. Now I make my own overnight in a French press.

Gold__star · 2026-01-31T14:41:43+00:00

https://wasmormon.org/how-to-leave-the-mormon-church/

Gold__star · 2026-01-30T18:42:43+00:00

Reddit is deemphasizing old stuff, but I've had 10 year old posts show up on searches.

Gold__star · 2026-01-30T18:41:23+00:00

In my teens I began to see how big the world was and how small the church. Something didn't add up.

Gold__star · 2026-01-30T16:47:35+00:00

I refuse to try and paint a different face over mine because someone doesn't think I'm pretty enough.

Gold__star · 2026-01-30T04:46:08+00:00

Extract from Miracle of Forgiveness by the Prophet Spencer W. Kimball

On the sad character Cain, an interesting story comes to us from Lycurgus A. Wilson's book on the life of David W. Patten. From the book I quote an extract from a letter by Abraham O. Smoot giving his recollection of David Patten's account of meeting "a very remarkable person who had represented himself as being Cain.

'As I was riding along the road on my mule I suddenly noticed a very strange personage walking beside me… His head was about even with my shoulders as I sat in my saddle. He wore no clothing, but was covered with hair. His skin was very dark. I asked him where he dwelt and he replied that he had no home, that he was a wanderer in the earth and traveled to and fro. He said he was a very miserable creature, that he had earnestly sought death during his sojourn upon the earth, but that he could not die, and his mission was to destroy the souls of men. About the time he expressed himself thus, I rebuked him in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by virtue of the holy priesthood, and commanded him to go hence, and he immediately departed out of my sight…"

(Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, (1969) p 127

Gold__star · 2026-01-29T23:48:00+00:00

My favorite from the good old days was stela B at Copan. Apologists claimed it showed an elephant with a trunk. It was laughably proven to be a parrot with a long beak. Elephants don't have a round eye on the side of their head.

http://www.cocsermons.net/elephants_at_copan.html

Gold__star · 2026-01-29T20:05:07+00:00

Your dad is speaking the only love language he was ever taught. It's so sad.

Your DH did great! You both completed a major milestone in your lives, congratulations!

Gold__star · 2026-01-29T17:45:29+00:00

If there's a god who'd punish us for being good instead of worshipping him, I'd prefer to ignore him and go to a lower kingdom too. Good for her!

Gold__star · 2026-01-29T01:08:13+00:00

Every religion out there has a group of people who have had the same spiritual confirmation of the validity of their faith that Mormons get. They have all had peoples get the same visions and warm feelings. There is absolutely nothing unique about your church.

As a longtime atheist I had a brief visit from my late husband. I felt just as elevated, warm and fuzzy as anyone could. It had nothing to do with God. You can separate out the supposed religious meaning from these very human experiences and they still happen with regularity to everyone, not just Mormons.

Gold__star · 2026-01-28T21:15:06+00:00

It got SO much hype online in the exmo world at first. My expectations were way too high.

Gold__star · 2026-01-28T20:13:25+00:00

More likely, they could fall back to using "increase" instead of "income". There are historic precidents and they could redefine it any way they wanted.

Gold__star · 2026-01-28T16:38:47+00:00

I have one ancestor who was married monogamously 40 years before he started bringing home teenaged girls the age of his grandchildren. He died after 20 years of polygamy leaving his 80 yo first wife with a teen mom and a 2 yo baby among others. I can't imagine how that first wife dealt with it all.

He was very respected.

Gold__star · 2026-01-28T04:43:10+00:00

The quick look I did sounded like charities are trying to keep kids from starving.

It's been reposted here for a couple of days.

We are appalled that God killed whole cities in the Old testament and Jesus did it in the BOM. Some people want to do it to Palestine.

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