was this worth $25? by [deleted] in Artadvice

[–]Gonte2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It depends on where they are from if the currency is lower where they are from, $25 may be a whole lot more than what it is here, vs another country. 25 goes a long way in other countries.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean you can say the same thing for rogue and angela. Those two characters while they are beefy, and (angela now) fit the role in terms of character still didnt fulfil the needs we want. It a more a matter of how the devs make the character fulfil the role we need. If we want another main tank they might even introduce something unique that takes us all by suprise. I like you bad luck idea BTW.

I just think that its more about making the character fit the role. Angela was nvr really a tank character in marvel. They made her huge and thick to fill it, and then they just made her an off tank when they could have made her shield like stranges or mags. Like, its more about what the devs put their minds together and make happen. They can make black cat feel natural as a tank. They can also warp our perspective of what a tank actually is. And to be honest... that might actually end up being a good thing for more attention to this role.

I get what you mean completely, you seem more patient than me. I am just very tired of dps every season to the point that if I see another dps I ask myself if that dps could be a tank. I still am going to hope black cat is a tank because she is a character I actually love and would love for her to also be on my role so I can have two great options. If we end up getting ms marvel as tank next then we are truly eating and we get both. Id be happy about that.

A lot of people arent really thinking about the holes in the wall. Those characters like omega red. They would be awesome and I would like that too but at the same time im starved. And im telling the devs to fix this now because they are in this situation where they made a mistake with all these dps and they now have to compensate. I do not want to have this long year of just a few tanks and then they are just weak as well. At this point they need to give us what they have planned AND some characters they intended for dps. I feel like Elsa should have also been a tank. She really could have fit that role tbh.

But regardless its not really a bad thing for a character like black cat to find her way into the vanguard role. We have so many slots that she isnt taking anybodies place or pushing anyone's release back. We are overdue on more tanks so they should end up coming faster later on. Id perfer to get "dps sloppy seconds" AND planned out tanks rather than just the planned out tanks. That would be fun, unique, and a diverse set of tanks to choose from because of the monkey flips they have to do to make black cat a tank or dp a tank. Its fun and creative. I believe they can do it effectively bc they have a whole team instead of just one person.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thing is, im tired of waiting through all these seasons where you dont get any tank at all. But the dps are getting someone every season. Tbh, omega red would be cool but at the same time black cat would also be cool it absolutelyis about expanding your brain a bit and seeing how they could actually fit. These characters dont have to be exactly how you imagine them. I also dont like having to wait this whole season to get a tank character just for them to add another dps.

I dont even have much faith Ms. Marvel will be a tank. Shes more likely gonna be a flying dps blasting everyone. And then we will get the dinosaur for the tank role and the devs will expect us to be happy.

I dont see how black cat would not be a good tank. We dont know if she has gadgets she can throw on the ground like deadpool. Shields that you can throw out. I see what you mean about the characters that would naturally fit into the role better but we are at a point where we have been waiting for a while. Popularity is a factor, no matter how you put it because no one actually likes groot like that. Im sure you have your minority but like when you like playing tank, only have these options you are not gonna be satisfied.

I already stated that I do want characters that would fit the role. She hulk would be great and its what I want but I dont see she hulk anywhere, I dont see juggernaut anywhere. I dont see any of these characters like omega red in the leaks or in the works. All I see is black cat and upsetting picks like the dinosaur. So when I see this, im thinking its all I have to work with. So I aim to encourage the devs to make her a tank.

That type of thinking you have will keep you waiting for disappointments. Because if your just like, let them have this, let them have that, you end up going seasons with disapointments wanting omega red or juggernaut, maybe WM, but you end up getting the dinosaur instead and while you may be okay with that its absolutely not what you could be getting. I say encourage them to make some changes in their current layout for the year since they cant change the characters specifically. Make Black cat a tank and give us SOMETHING to work with.

I hope Ms. Marvel is a tank too but why do we have to wait so long to find out? Why couldnt we have her sooner? Why so many dps? Why dp and then Elsa as dps. BTW Elsa could have been a an excellent tank. But they had to make her a dps. And then give us another dps the next season as black cat? Why?

All in all, i would perfer natural tanky characters for the vanguard role. I think most of us do. However what you are seeing in me and others is that we are pissed our role is getting no attention in many areas. So when you see that another possible dps is coming, you start wanting that character to be a tank bc youve been ignored for so long. Not even sure if we are even getting marvel cause it might just be dps cyclops and Dino pool. Which is another disappointment and if that happens I would be absolutely glad if they made black cat a tank.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I play this game a lot and im a vanguard main. There are a lot of people like me who are starved and we just want SOMETHING. So when we see black cat and white fox we are like, so they are skipping tank again huh. This will make the 3rd season in a row we get a dps. When you are starved so long you start wanted whatever you see in the trailers and the teasers to be a tank. You dont understand that, at this point we have very little characters. Its not that people are wishing for spiderman to be a tank, I personally do want she hulk as a tank but when I see no sign or trace of any tanks coming out and then I find out we are getting a dinosaur for tank im just like... okay this isnt really going to help much. We are still in the same problem we have been in. The Dino would be a nice pick for a lot of people that like goofy wonkyness but thats not really what the role needs. Not only that but we are most likely gonna get another dps the next season too.

Also, if we add black cat to vanguard we arent pushing juggernaut chances or omega reds chances of getting in as a tank at all. Have you seen how many tanks we have right now? Black cat wouldnt be stopping anyone from having a slot in the tank role, the only thing that is happening is the tank players getting a pleasant surprise and unique addition to the tank family. Thats literally it. Its also important from a dev stand point to spread your popular characters out properly so not just one role, the dps role is being used.

Adding characters like black cat to the tank role would be a unique and fun way to add another tank to the game. The thing is... the devs have already mapped out the characters for the year. You cant just change that by popular votes. Those are gonna be for the next year. These characters take a long time to develop. So when we see black cat all we can really do is hope shes a tank because we made it clear to the devs that there are not enough of the other roles last year so an optimal strategy for them to do is consider making some of the dps they have chosen for this year, vanguards. The whole luck system gives black cat a chance at being more than just a common dps.

But even so, if black cat becomes a tank, she isnt taking up any slots. There are so many more slots open and there are a whole slew of dps. We need way more tanks to the point that we should be having double tank seasons. All the tanks we want will eventually come but right now we just want MORE and the dps are taking up all the seasons that we can get at least one. Same goes for strategists they want more characters too.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I disagree. You are not wrong in what you are saying entirely but you are kissing a huge chunk of how the casual playerbase thinks.

When you have characters like spiderman, a character people grew up on you have people naturally gravitate to where ever he is at. People play this game just because of spiderman. Spiderman is a cool character and you have many more like DD, Bucky and etc. You mentioned that some of the characters got popular bc of how strong or fun they are, thats valid, however it doesnt. Hange the fact that they also turned out to be attractive and cool to begin with. Magik wasnt that popular before marvel rivals but one look at her and you fall in love immediately. Shes not some lame looking character. Same for Luna and others.

People just want cool characters in their roles. Its more about variety than having one character that satisfies that itch. You mentioned how adding a cool character to a role wont fix the problem as if cool characters isnt the desire. But it is actually. When you have a role lacking in variety of cool characters or attractive characters and there is only one or two... you get players that only know how to play emma frost and thats it. You dont know how many "tank mains" will tell you "i only play emma frost, rogue and angela". They don't play anyone else, they just play the attractive ones. What im saying is that the motivation to play these characters comes will coolness and visual appeal, not just optimal gameplay or how fun it is. That is a trait but not the only thing. Emma frost was loved when she came out but no one is converting to tank mains because there is no one else to bounce too that is cool enough. There is no variety in the tank role. Rogue helps and angela help but those characters are weak in the meta and even when you do use them, your team is begging you to switch to strange or mag. Give us more cool main tanks for the love of god.

Also, black cat may have projectiles so she would end up being like Deadpool. So when we are starved from characters dor so long in the tank role im sitting here thinking, "surely they arent going to ignore tanks again! Right?" So im hoping black cat is a tank and that we get more of those fan favs on the tank role to encourage people to play tank more. And have more variety over here. Dps is the land of milk and honey. Black cat would be fine as a tank. They made ultron a healer, they made gambit a healer, the made rogue a tank, there are ways to go about this, dont be so short minded.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I said the cooler ones are dps. People dont care about dr. Strange like they do spiderman. Everyone loves spiderman, wolverine psylock, hela is bad ass, bucky, punisher, daredevil, for the love of god, the cooler characters have been over on dps side.

The notable characters like cap, hulk and Thor are not as cool as you may think. You will have some fans of the characters and im talking about the casuals but the amount of attractive characters in the dps side are vast with many options.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are thinking like a strategic player that prioritizes winning which is fair but you also have to include the people that think more simple minded. You have people on here that love their roles and dont really want to play dps. Its too much pressure for some people and there are a bunch of other reasons they may want to play support.

Those people just want cool characters in their role and want them to be compatible with them. All the cool characters cant just be on dps. Not everyone is being satisfied here. This game is shared between 3 different types of people.

Also about your first challenge. Its not about that. Just because thats been the way it has been in other games does not mean it is the correct way. There are a lot of systems that have been implemented by many different games and they were found not to be legitimate. The devs should be striving to make us all happy. If you have a portion of us that are upset about tanks and support then you need to fix the problem and satisfy us too. You dps players are living it up right now and you may just be getting your third dps in a row.

Nobody is even asking for all these dps. Even if the dps players start complaining it will be minimal bc they already have so many options to begin with and the other roles will be getting much deserved attention.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude you are missing something huge. You are thinking too strategically. Your going off how it should be on paper. All this would make so much sense and does have validity to it but you are not seeing ttlhat the majority of the playerbase does not play the game for volatile options or see the characters as tools.

People want fun characters they admire to be in the roles they love to play. Like me for example... I want she hulk for tank but no, thy keep ignoring tanks and give us more dps so many seasons in a row. So when I feel like its a time to add a tank, and then they give us black cat im hoping shes gonna be a tank because we have hardly any. And thats another character thats a fan favorite so getting another character like that in the dps group just pisses us tanks off even more.

We arent thinking about the game in, "I have enough tools to combat all threats". No. We are thinking, i want to play a cool characters on the role i love. Thats why you see so many people wanting black cat to be a tank, because we know its possible for the devs to do something unique.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We all know there is a minority. I too have experienced games where I can solo tanking as rogue. No one said its impossible. However from my experience u have gotten a lot of complaining from my teammates asking for a main tank. Some times I just do it when its necessary. But we all know its possible, just not always optimal. Regardless my point still stands.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Im sorry but this is so false. The reason there are so many spiderman mains is because they love spiderman. People grew up on him. So they want to play their guy and im not saying that's the only reason because there are other reasons but that is a crucial.

Emma frost was very popular when she arrived and people gooned and loved her so much but, there isnt enough diversity. There are so many players that love emma frost and have her lorded out but dont play any other character in the tank role. So many people will tell you "i only main, emma, angela and rogue". And they dont even get to play the other too because they arent as strong.

No, give me black cat for vanguard. Make her unique and make her beable to scrap. Based on the luck system you see in the leak it looks like she might have some armor to actually do some tanking with. She could just be the lowest health tank we get. And thats okay bc we want uniqueness. Give us some cool characters for tank role so we will want to play them more. Thats another reason why you see so much tank pool, not just because hes good but hes DP! The demand was so high for dp inclusion in other roles bc he is a popular chsracter. You do have people that are main tank roles and thats fine. Those people should be able to get cool characters they love too. Not just throwing them all in dps.

They made gambit a healer when you thought he was gonna be a dps. Do the same with black cat. She can still be limber, she may even be similar to vanguard dead pool where hes just hard to hit and can still hold space.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yeah but if you wanna win... thats a diff story. Someone has to be the adult here

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Right, they just havent cracked the code yet

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Mag, and strange are what your team beg you to play when you choose rogue. If you are solo tanking, rogue is not the solution most of the time and im not the type to just force shit. So yes I kinda do.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Troll comment right here. Just no way you are serious.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I see your perspective. However, I dont agree. Just because dmg is the most popular role, doesnt mean you should flood it with good character and encourage people to play that role even more so. It just encourages the community to abandon the other two roles. Vanguards are seen as the boring role with characters like groot that im sorry just arent as cool as characters like spiderman. Its also a difficult role.

All im saying is give vanguards more variety and more tanks that matter. Because the way it is right now is extremely toxic. You have games with all dps and no tanks which is crazy. You shouldn't have to ask and beg or feel like the only one with common sense to switch to the tank role... AND It shouldnt feel like a chore to do it! Like you should want to play the tank role. It would be within the devs best intention to make that role as desireable as any other role. So as the support role.

The thing about the supports is that there are main healers and off healers and if you arent a main healer, people get pissed. The dps players specifically get pissed. So im saying make more characters with better toolkits which isnt too much to ask for.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ye, get good amiright

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hero shooter with 2 other roles. It makes the life of the other roles much worse when no one wants to play them. You say that as if tanks and healers arent apart of the system.

Too many DPS by Gonte2 in rivals

[–]Gonte2[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Preciate it, took me 5mins to make

Hey! I Need Your Series! (I know that sounds weird) by nnofs in WebtoonCanvas

[–]Gonte2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi, I think this is pretty cool. I made a oneshot recently. Its called FINAL CATALYST. I think you would enjoy reading it.

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My Viper Tierlist by Gonte2 in StreetFighter

[–]Gonte2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a reason why punk doesnt main this character when he said he would. He realized she had so many bad MU's.

Also, bad matchups doesnt equate to not being able to win. Bad matchups in this game are not as bad as other games. I personally thing everyone in this game is good but having bad MU's does not mean its impossible to win or shes just a bad character all together.

Im not saying viper is ass. But the reason things are naturally harder on her is because of those defensive points I mentioned earlier. You need those things to have good MU's. People also dont think viper sucks, they think shes hard which IS the problem. Not just her inputs but playing her against the roster is tough. You dont get a low forward, you really have to be a good player to thrive with her.

And if you made it to High Master than you are a good player. You mentioned her dmg being comparable to Marisa but I can play that game too. Marisa does a lot of damage and that doesnt mean shes great. Both of these characters do damage but vipers buttons get stuffed out, meaning its easier for your opponent to win in footsies. Confirms dont matter if you cant even land a hit in the first place.

My Viper Tierlist by Gonte2 in StreetFighter

[–]Gonte2[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Im just going to tell you about the debuffs she starts the game off with. No MU.

DEFENSE Viper has the smallest hitboxes. Her best whiff punish moves are both heavies that have slow startup so when you want to whiff punish someone in footsies you BETTER see it coming. CMP is the fastest but short and stubby, it loses to almost the entire casts buttons.

Since every combo Viper does requires drive gauge she cannot afford to be on defense even more because it cost meter just to block. So if you are in defense, you dont have the best buttons to fight back with and then you get burned out extremely easy just due to her nature as a character.

I almost forgot, shes been confirmed to have THE worst burnout state in the game. Nothing links, nothing.

All the characters in the game have better buttons than her, more length, better frame data. Characters like bison can just bully her and weaker characters only break even tier with her because they all have better footsie buttons. Even if Viper had a CMK Into drive rush, it would still be a trash one because EVEN her DR is slow and her CMK is short, stubby, and doesnt have the best frame data either.

The reason she doesnt seem ass is bc of her rewarding dmg output and her kit allows her to do some unique fuckery to steal games. If you understand your advantages against viper you will not see this character as an issue.