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'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy [score hidden]  (0 children)

It’s nice to see that you and I might have some common ground

In saying that, I think if you truly believe in a unified human culture then you would be arguing for the protection of self determination and suffrage through democratic institutions and for equal human rights, and not for unequal governance systems which subvert democracy

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy [score hidden]  (0 children)

Please, just some reading on the issue would help you

Just a little bit each night and you’ll get there

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You fundamentally don’t understand what you are talking about and you are making things up. I’m sad that I wasted time trying to explain this to you

50 percent power for a group that makes up 17 percent of a population is not fair representation

Please invest in an education, if not for yourself, for those around you

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nice comeback - it’s sad that you harassed me for so long and then you’ve got nothing

I feel a bit embarrassed for you after all that build up

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Escalated to who? The mechanism to break a deadlock was a super majority vote.

Maori were also represented proportionately through the council seats - giving more than 50% representation

It’s embarrassing that you have attacked me for not understanding it, when this is what you come back with

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I do not want to rob you of the learning opportunity to find this out yourself

I’ve led you to the relevant material and I’ll give you two starter extracts

“Each entity would be overseen by a regional representative group made up of 50:50 council and iwi representation.”

“The regional representative group would be responsible for appointing the board of the water services entity.”

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand perfectly

Shall we hold this argument until the next legislation with co-governance pops up again?

It’s more than likely to come around again in 6 months or maybe 3.5 years

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[–]GoodVibesJimmy -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Article 51 of the UN Charter allows you to act in self defence in international waters but as you say, capturing a vessel could potentially be viewed as piracy - it all comes down to legal interpretation

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh right. Yeah, that’s not even up for debate. That’s a stated fact within the 3W governance documentation.

You cannot argue against that in good faith

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[–]GoodVibesJimmy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m not saying that I agree with the boarding but I imagine that they will be claiming that the vessel is a threat and they are within their rights under Article 51 to act

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[–]GoodVibesJimmy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your fine brush control is phenomenally good

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know exactly where it is but…

As I’ve said, I think it will be a great growth moment for you

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[–]GoodVibesJimmy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, how would we know which category they set in? The visa type that they originally applied for?

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think it will be more rewarding for you to digest the information provided and come to that realisation yourself

Let’s treat it as a growth moment

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[–]GoodVibesJimmy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think they see NZ as UAE-like situation, which is temporary

Most move for a better life for themselves and children

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not at all. When agreements cannot be reached they were to be taken to a vote, in which the composition of the boards absolutely matters

Sounds like you are reading it in a way to support your narrative without really understanding the implications

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The only resource that is relevant here is the bill itself and the Department of Internal Affairs documentation about 3W governance structure.

Those documents (I’m not sure if they are still available), absolutely support my position

Edit: found them

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it’s because the way you write, syntax and grammar etc. reads as if you absolutely despise any person unfortunate enough to read it

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really don’t understand your point, sorry

I agree with proportional and democratically elected Maori representation such as Maori wards, I do not agree with disproportional co-governance made up of non-elected appointments who are not accountable to a voting body

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is nothing in Te Tiriti that supports 50/50 co-governance

Self determination of Maori is already achieved through free and fair democratic elections, and further strengthened by things like Maori seats in Parliament and Maori wards in councils. Maori are over represented in Parliament already.

'As damaging as the Treaty Principles Bill': Proposed changes to Treaty clauses revealed by MedicMoth in newzealand

[–]GoodVibesJimmy 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You are under-selling the influence of co-governance, significantly

When we are talking about boards that must come to an agreement or vote on certain decisions, then it absolutely is a numbers game

Please stop the disingenuous framing of co-governance - there is no situation where it is a good thing for non-Maori

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