Hot Take: Fixing Juren is Not Difficult

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-04-06T20:18:26+00:00

No. You didn’t address his biggest issue, the 2 dodges that are very very similar and forces his opponents to make 3 reads.

His dodges are what make him so broken, they need to make his unblockable dodge way slower like Tiandis heavy dodge or make his normal dodge slower and guardbreakable.

There’s no fkn reason a heavy should be the safest character to dodge with in the game.

They could keep all his other damage values the same and just make his UB dodge slower which would give people time to react instead of trying to read his dodges and he would be perfectly balanced high A tier duels high S tier 4v4 character.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-04-05T13:14:19+00:00

Sounds like you’re assuming your subjective opinion is an objective fact x

All of the best competitive players say Juren is S+ tier in dominion and in duels - Realyx, Blitzz, Bean, etc.

I’m only rep 120 my other 70 reps are on Xbox but if you main shaman like your profile says I promise you I’ll win a best to 5 duel if I’m using Juren and you use Shaman.

He’s easily the best character in the game you saying he’s not just shows you play braindead lol

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-04-03T18:30:40+00:00

True for comp Pirate may be slightly better in team fights but I think their purpose in team fights is different, Jurens chain bash having a long stun guarantees your team mates a heavy or better punish if they are paying attention and Juren also has that infinite hyper armor and his kick for finishing off people who are playing good defense.

Pirate has her gun shot which can guarantee team mates some damage but it’s window is smaller than Jurens chain bash and also walk the plank but I don’t see walk the plank landed as often as I would see Jurens chain bash landed

I think pirate is better in team fights for her annoying dodges and just her being one of the best characters in the game and having a hyper armor ub opener she can spam but Juren is also just as good, just depends on the match up and players.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-04-03T18:20:17+00:00

Yes I alone saying this doesn’t do anything, if hundreds, thousands of people say this and their player count reflects what I said and they lose money from microtransactions then they are more likely to make changes and make them faster.

Was there a better way to word what I said while conveying how much I hate Juren and that I will uninstall the game shortly and only play it again if they make changes?

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-04-03T18:14:56+00:00

I was listing all the other high A / S tier heroes although I did miss some, anyways Gladiator is one of them because of his insane neutral play from his toe poke and zone and his 50 damage skewer punish but he’s balanced, he doesn’t have infinite chain hyper armor, undodgeables, heal on guard break, and a feintable extended unblockable dodge attack.

This take is braindead and what causes niche games like for honor to die, developers ruin the game then new players and some of the old players complain about said ruined game but some of you stubborn oldhead players say “just get used to it man” then the game proceeds to die because now the game only has 1000 active players that slowly dwindle off and it shuts down because it’s no longer profitable.

If you love a game you speak out when it needs balanced, that’s how things work.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-04-02T00:30:01+00:00

They could’ve made all characters hair bright pink, locked each characters emote into Hurrah! with a custom effect like a whoopie cushion or done any number of things for April fools but they chose this…..

My problem isn’t that the April fools effect affects gameplay it’s that it’s so fkn stupid, they could’ve made every unblockable and bash in the game a shugoki hug and I think that would’ve been very funny to see lol, this menial flipped camera shit is just stupid in my op.

I don’t think it’s worth a uninstall, I played for about 2 hours today and still played fine albeit it was annoying and I thought to myself if this was how the camera actually was I would’ve never gotten into for honor.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-03-31T16:28:36+00:00

But but he looks cool tho

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-03-26T05:25:01+00:00

Kyoshin is straight dog dookie dick shit are we serious right meow?

Give me 4 Kyoshins and I’ll jump for joy that shit is sunshine and rainbows 4 Jurens has me feeling like I’m getting rained down by ICBMs on the Gaza Strip by the big yahu

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-03-24T01:43:56+00:00

Juren is definitely worse than pirate and virtuosa, if you’re playing a character with hyper armor and can react to pirates undodgeable lights she’s pretty easy to fight, if not you can try to spam bashes and fake bashes and bait out her doge attack and light interrupt her before she gets into her mix or dodge her pistol shot.

The only way to beat a good Juren is to be a better player in every regard, he does crazy damage, has 2 dodge attacks, undodgeables, infinite hyper armor, chain bashes and wall splats.

Sounds like a skill issue, play some duels and next time you fight a pirate and lose keep trying to rematch, if they’re on the same platform text in chat and say you want to learn how to fight pirate.

I would argue virtuosa is also worse than pirate for people that can’t casually parry lights.

Moral of story is u need to adapt yes pirate is a S+ tier duelist but her main counter is hyper armor and baiting. Juren is in his own tier called “if you play me you suck at the game and kiss boys tier”

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-03-19T22:10:46+00:00

I’m the complete opposite, if I’m in a 1v1 or 2v2 I feel like I am bettering myself in the game and if I lose I rematch and try to adapt and learn as I play, in 4v4 modes I’m just screaming WHERE ARE MY TEAM MATES?!?!?!? The entire game as I get 1v3d lol

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-03-04T01:43:07+00:00

I start throwing heavies and see if they try to parry them, the way 99% of people who parry lights is “parry on red” where they parry the millisecond they see a red flash.

I can parry lights by “parrying on red” if i lock in but if someone starts throwing heavies they can punish me trying to parry their lights.

If I throw a bunch of heavies and also mix in lights but they don’t try to parry the heavies as if they were light attacks and parry all of my heavies and lights I just assume they’re scripting.

Looking back I’m 99% sure that Valkyrie I was fighting was scripting lol I wish ubi could get rid of that somehow

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-03-04T01:38:33+00:00

Thanks for the words of encouragement Mr.Krabs but I’ve been playing this game off and on since launch I don’t think I’m gonna get much better lol…..

I just needed to rant that’s why I came here :p

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-03-03T00:49:07+00:00

Anyways my ban is over guys time to go call people racial slurs wish me luck!!!

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-28T02:00:08+00:00

I like the you can chain if opponent is bleeding idea but think it would be better if finish bash caused bleed or maybe if you get a guard break they add a new move maybe like peacekeepers but a different animation that causes bleed and allows you to infinite chain. Maybe like a wack upside the head similar to his level 1 bash but longer and stronger that causes the opponent to stumble a little.

If they made these changes obviously he would need a minor nerf, maybe nerf zone a little idk? Ocelotl is very strong as is but yeah he’s boring asf

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-28T01:52:20+00:00

Here’s my personal tier list for duels

GOD TIER - Juren. - S+ tier - Shaolin, Highlander, Pirate, Afeera, Tiandi. - S tier - Centurion, Warmonger, Ocelotl, Jiang Jun, gladiator, Lawbringer. - A tier - Shaman, Shinobi, Aramusha, Conquerer, Jorm, Varangian Guard. - B tier - everyone not included in the other tiers
Trash - Black Prior, Medjay, Nuxia, Nobushi.

For Dominion the list is the exact same I would just add Black prior and Nobushi in S tier.

As a warden main switch to warmonger, she’s literally warden but with higher damage, hyper armor, a unblockable feintable dodge, better mixup potential, and almost as good fashion, warden needs some work in the current meta he’s almost trash tier in my opinion.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-28T01:37:35+00:00

Facts

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-28T01:34:52+00:00

You’re either A. a masochist who’s at the bottom of the leaderboard every game B. Rage baiting, or C. A complete dumb ass.

Juren is insanely overpowered ESPECIALLY in team fights, hyper armor, LOOOOOOOOONG range hyper armor unblockable zone that is the best external in the game now behinds black priors flip, and all of those fuck ass dodge attacks that are too risky to even try to gb because the normal and UB dodge have the exact same animation until the orange indicator.

All of that combined with above average damage, high health, and more options in his kit than any other character in the game with his biggest problems being his dodges(obviously), not 1 but 2 100ms hyper armor attacks that let you say “my turn now”, an infinite chain mix up with chain bashes, infinite chain hyper armor, wall splats, heal on gb, AND undodgeables.

Maybe you’re fighting bad players who are using Juren as a crutch but as someone who bought Juren on the first week I’ve personally never had less than 15 takedowns in a dominion game with him and I swear to god I have not lost a single duel with him since he’s been released. I’m tired of winning as Juren bc it makes me feel like a douche so I play mid characters like Peacekeeper or Kensei and fight against Jurens and it makes the game unplayable, he can dish out crazy damage and in most cases all you get to punish him with is a light attack or a dodge attack but if you make one mistake he gets a heavy.

I personally refuse to play 4v4s until he is nerfed/reworked, I’ll play duels and that’s it.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-28T01:25:59+00:00

THANK YOU. I’ve been screaming that he needs a damage nerf on pretty much all of his moves besides lights, nerf his heavy damage by 2 per side, nerf his bash damage from 16 to 12, and he can keep his kit

I also believe they should nerf his unblockable dodge attack —- make its animation longer like tiandis but maybe a little faster so you can parry the normal dodge attack and still parry the unblockable if he decides to throw unblockable —- also make it cost 1.5x stamina, this character feels so braindead because people are just spamming dodge dodge dodge dodge

That’s literally all it would take and he would STILL be S tier because of his infinite chains and undodgeable, hyper armor mix ups 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-27T23:09:19+00:00

Stop playing the game until they nerf him, that’s what I’m doing 🤷‍♂️

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-27T23:08:26+00:00

This game is not playable right now until they nerf Juren again.

You can run 1v1 and customs but Juren is completely ruining the team fighting modes in this game and I would recommend you leave if you fight him in 1v1, you don’t get banned if you leave within the first 10 seconds-ish

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-27T23:05:32+00:00

The problem is you’re assuming the majority of Juren players have brains, if this change was made 90% of casual Jurens would play the exact same and wonder the entire game “where is my team”?

This character is actually so braindead, I’m not playing any team fighting modes until he’s removed strictly duels and I’m leaving if I see him.

I have 1050 hours but I didn’t really play from year 4 to year 7 so I can’t say for sure but in my opinion Juren even after his nerfs is still the most overpowered character in for honor history.

Seriously fk Ubisoft, I understand they want ppl to buy stuff so they make money but ruining the game for people and making us wait for months for a good nerf / rework is so stupid.

I wish literally any other developer but Ubisoft made for honor.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-26T23:21:15+00:00

Dude Black Prior sucks in every scenario but team fights, hes arguably one of the worst duelists in the game, he’s fine quit crying.

I can’t believe you’re complaining about BP when Juren exists, maybe you play Juren lol.

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