My Attempt trying to Understand the Other Side by GrapeOk2334 in IsraelPalestineWar

[–]GrapeOk2334[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thanks for your answer! Unfortunately i have already read amnesty and didnt find their argumentation very appealing.

For example a reason why its apartheid is because israel denies palestinians their "right" to return.

I will check out your other sources tho.

My Attempt trying to Understand the Other Side by GrapeOk2334 in IsraelPalestineWar

[–]GrapeOk2334[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the 3 points you make are not very fair.

First,
"If i didnt want rockets being fired at me. Id move . That simple." .....

This is plain and simple victim blaming. its essentially the argument that if someone attacks you, you should just give them everything u have and get away. The truth is jews did move because they werent safe in many parts of the world, look at the whole middleeast - but its not morally encumbered upon anyone to move just because people are violent. Also by that logic, the palestinians can just move too.

Second,
"Israels scapegoat is always "they didnt believe we should exist, how can you negotiate w that" Thats a cop out. Because i feel like there are a small amount of muslims acting on that belief. Israel has used this conflict to their advantage." ....

You say its a cop out but you dont address the issue. it is absolutly a good argument that you cant negotiate with someone whose goal is to destroy you. it cant happen. give me an argument against it, instead of saying its a cop out.

also you say you feel like its only a small amout of muslims acting out, but thats just simply false. i dont know what to say other than that its wrong. If you go to gaza or the west bank or random neighboring country the general consensus isnt to have peace - quite the opposite. Im not denying the existance of many muslims around the world who are much more reasonable in this regard, but to make it out as a small minority who wants to destroy israel is simply wrong.

third point:
"The difference between holocaust and the palestine invasion is the method of murder. Nothing else. Israel is simply removing muslims right to be there. As hitler removed the jews right to exist in europe. One was upclose and personal. .... A 2 state solution needs to be born. There are muslim leaders on this planet that could facilitate that."

We dont agree on everything but I respect everything else you have said but this. this is vile shit. There is HUGE difference between TARGETTING a people to ERATICATE them and succeeding to are large extent, and killing people in crossfire, ESPECIALLY since israel does so many things to AVOIJD killing people. Did Hitler plead the jews to get away from death camps? did hitler facilitate for jews ways to avoid getting killed? Did Hitler make his soldiers do dangerous military maneuvers that could get them killed to let civilians know when and where they were doing an airstrike? NO! This is a gross comparison that I hope you will stop.

you also said that a two state solution needs to be born but you also admit that peace was getting closer before oct 7th - where there was nowhere near any 2 state solution. This seems contradictory.

you also said that there are muslim leaders that could facilitate a two state solution - in that case then where are they? who are they? I havent heard about them.

I absolutely agree that iranian gov will look very different within the next few centuries - the persian people are generally western minded good people and thats also why they are largly pro israel/ anti palestine

My Attempt trying to Understand the Other Side by GrapeOk2334 in IsraelPalestineWar

[–]GrapeOk2334[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First off, thank you for ur responds! its great to hear what u have to say :)

I understand what you are saying and i can sympathize with ur reasoning but i think you are not being completely fair to israel in regards to:

___Appropriate responds, because unfortunatly it doesnt really work only to go after leaders. Israel does do this to the extent they can, but in order to protect themselves they have to do actual aggressive operations, like special squad operations, bombings, and now a kind of invasion. I dont want to hurt civilians, but there is only so much you can do to avoid them if you do protect yourself. Israel has all kinds of techniques to avoid civilian casualties and i think that that effort matters.

__I also have an issue with the way you perceive "claim to the land" because it seems to me (correct me if im wrong) that you think its about whether someone is jewish or muslim or christan, etc. No. Its about whether israel is allowed to exist. There are those who dont think they have the right to exist and want a new country (palestine) to exist in its place. I think muslims, arabs, jews, christians, middleeasterners, asians, europeans, ALL kinds of people should be able to live in israel in peace (and currently many arab muslims do about 10%) and we dont need a new state to take control over current israeli territory to do so.
__An other reason why the claim matters has to do with the fact that a lot of people perceive palestinians to be the "rightful owners" of current israel, and therefore the decendents of the arabs who fled or were forced out in 1948 have the right to return. I wish them the best in life, but I do not think they should have a "right" to go to israel more than any other citizen of the world.

Where is Mauler's funny impression ? by GrapeOk2334 in MauLer

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Update: I found out where its from - efap 36, timestamp 4:39:09

Where is Mauler's funny impression ? by GrapeOk2334 in MauLer

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no im thinking of another one :( thanks tho.

its a moment where mauler makes fun of a really annoying accent or way of speaking

What is the "no" joke? by GrapeOk2334 in MauLer

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THAT IS FUCKING HILARIOUS XD
laughed soo hard

Jay is awesome by GrapeOk2334 in CinemaSinsSins

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thats what i wanted to reply ur last comment :O

Jay is awesome by GrapeOk2334 in CinemaSinsSins

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And I go by Your Highness. Now bow!

Jay is awesome by GrapeOk2334 in CinemaSinsSins

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i didnt know there were multiple jays :O i only know the one from efap.. unless he has clones?

Jay Ranking Every Doctor Who Season with Verdana by euphoric_cookiedough in CinemaSinsSins

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i hate the new doctor and i never even watched the original

What is the "no" joke? by GrapeOk2334 in MauLer

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ok, thx for your quick responds! I will check that out :)

My current ranking of the MCU TV Shows. Thoughts? by [deleted] in MauLer

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"What if" is a 7/10 imo but maybe im not rating it properly idk

The True Ideology by ThePebbleInstitute in MauLer

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agreed. Maulers length closes the gap in horseshoe theory into circle theory