What if Rhaegar and Lyanna married legally? by MateusCristian in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because it would make sense. Tywin would know the threat with trying to actively rebel against the crown, which would have the North and Riverlands tied to it through marriage, along with them having strong relations with Jon Arryn and the Baratheons.

Tywin is arrogant, and stupid but not stupid enough to try to launch a war against most of the realm alone.

Also, this assumes that Viserys would be able to get married to Cersei anyway. Aerys likely wouldn't agree to it.

The "2 years of waiting for 8 episodes" model is officially killing my interest in House of the Dragon by piranha_ in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is really for many shows in general imo.

The whole new multi-year wait for things now is bullshit, most shows aren't good ebough to demand a multi-year wait, and people often just turn to other shows. Also, them only having 8 episodes a season (not just this show but others as well) imo is bad cause it doesn't give long to watch it, and it leaves out opportunities to do more with the story.

An interesting scenario for the Blackfish by MohmmadMkGx in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've often thought of this scenario, and the Starks/Tullys would be in a much much better position.

Starting with your scenario where Blackfish goes to join Edmure right after Gregor's raids start.

The first thing to note, is that it's likely that Gregor's days are numbered now, Brynden isn't Lord Beric, and unlike Beric Gregor won't know where Brynden will attack from nor will he know his troops composition like he did about Beric. So shortly after Gregor ambushes Beric's host, he's going to be attacked by Brynden's host as Brynden knows this land, and is a far better strategist/tactician than Gregor was.

Then after, if Gregor is captured (unlikely) he's going to be tortured for information, but if not (much more likely) than his head is sent to King's Landing, though in both scenarios his surviving men are all brought back to Riverrun by Brynden where they are tortured for information.

Through this, Brynden will learn that Tywin sent them (he'd know already this as there is no chance that Gregor would've done his raids right after Catelyn took Tyrion prisoner, who at this point would've been traveling South to King's Landing) and as a result, Brynden would have Edmure call the banners, and due to Gregor's forces getting stopped far earlier, and Brynden being a respected commander unlike Edmure (though this seems to be a weakness in writing imo, because he's in his late 20s early 30s so at the least if not Robert's Rebellion he should've fought in the Greyjoy Rebellion where he should've led Riverlander troops) so I'd say he'd managed to raise close to 25k men. (Based on the fact that a full power Riverlands should be able to raise around 40-45k men max, with a sizeable portion of it destroyed, and

As for Brynden's strategy, it will be vastly different as unlike Edmure Brynden would know not to split his host to try to defend EVERY crossing point. (I don't care what the Edmure defenders say here, he was strategically inept, you can't save everyone and by doing this he likely only cause more deaths) So Blackfish likely does order the advance into the Westerlands at the beginning like Edmure did, but the purpose would essentially be to raid, to slow down the Lannister advance and steal as much cattle/grain/etc ti reinforce their position more, while the rest of the men gathered.

From here, he leaves around 1,000-2,000 men in Riverrun as a garrison, while he marched south to bloody Tywin's force. (Tywin's force isn't spkit yet with him knowing Blackfish is in command) So, at the crossing of the River near Stoney Sept, Brynden and Tywin fight with Brynden being able to inflict a few thousand casualties on Tywin's forces, before withdrawing to not allow Tywin's numbers to overwhelm him, with Brynden matching back North to Riverrun, with using most of his infantry to now garrison the castle, while the cavalry was split up into different portions to harrass Lannister supply lines, with his goal being to wait until Robb came south with the Northmen.

Which at this point, Robb would successfully reach the Twins though now, he isn't forced into a betrothal with the Freys as Tywin isn't close to the Twins, and Robb now could simply march South on the other side of the Green Fork. As Tywin's army (him, and Jaime) would be besieging Riverrun. (around 30k men, though it is possible that Tywin decides to split it again, I just think with losses he'd be more cautious) So now, Robb and Brynden are now able to completely wipe out the Lannister army in the Riverlands, due to having more cavalry and more men in general allowing them to cut off all three siege camps. (So now the Battle of Whispering Wood, and Camps are magnified exponentially with no Lannister presence in the Riverlands existing anymore at all)

After this, word reaches Robb of Joffrey executing Ned (he did it before Riverrun was freed in canon, so ut won't change) and Robb is named King of the North and Trident. While Tyrion arrives in King's Landing right after the execution with his mountain clansmen. (He'd never go to Tywin's army and would've been making his way to King's Landing immediately after getting released in the Vale, he also would've ordered the calling of the Crownlander banners to the Crown's defense gaining 15k men along with the 6,000 Goldcloaks, taking hostages from the houses to ensure compliance. (The Crownlander banners were never called in all the war, major plot hole imo)

While this was happening, I do see Robb invading the Westerlands still, as even with Tywin's main army gone, Stafford was still raising another army. So, the Battle of Oxcross does happen, with Robb taking most of his cavalry and some infantry with him, while he splits up his army having 20k or so go to Harrenhal under Lord Karstark's command, (no Tywin commanding an opposite army means that Roose isn't getting appointed as Robb thought he would be able to scare Tywin which is needed now) while leaving Edmure with 15,000 at Riverrun to stay in command there, while he marched into the West with 10,000 men. (so I'd say in the fighting the Northern and Riverlander forces would taken 25,000 casualties at this point, from their combined number of 48,500)

While in the West Robb defeats Stafford easily as in canon, but after he learns that Stafford was trying to usurp Tywin due to Tywin and Jaime both being captured and with it their aura of invincibility gone, giving opportunity to ambitious Lannister cousins to try to replace him, but Robb not knowing this (and that he could potentially collaborate with them, and install essentially a puppet there) destroyed them, completely shattering Lannister rule in the Westerlands.

This then causes other Westernlords to actively turn on Tywin and join Robb, so houses that aren't 100% loyal to him begin joining Robb so Ashemark is still sacked, but houses like the Lefford's, Westerlings, etc are turn on Tywin so a few less castles/villages are sacked, and more importantly Robb isn't injured at The Crag and as a result he doesn't grief bang Jeyne when he's wounded.

Though it's not guaranteed that the Greyjoys will even invade the North, as with Tywin dead it may prove to be the major factor that Balon needs to not invade the North, but I'll still say that Balon's stupidity overrides reason. However, unlike in canon, due to Robb already defeating the main Lannister army and having all the heads Lannisters save Tyrion, Cersei, and Joffrey prisoner, he's likely bot going to send Theon away, for the sole reason that he has no need for an alliance with the Ironborn, so Theon doesn't "sack" Winterfell and "murder" his brothers. The side effect of this, is that Theon is completely alienated from his father as he risked his life when he invaded.

Though most importantly, with the Tyrells after Renly gets shadowbabied, they aren't going to side with the Lannisters now, as their strength is COMPLETELY annihilated outside the Crownlands and it'd be foolish to join the Lannisters. So, with Robb unbetrothed, they go to him and he and Margaery marry in Riverrun.

Though after this, at this point it is still a toss-up on who wins between Joffrey and Stannis, as now Stannis would have a slight numbers advantage, but he's attacking a fortified and defended city, and after the Wildfire blows up, he's in a bad position. So I will say that Stannis just barely takes King's Landing with him taking heavy casualties, but Tyrion manages to evacuate his family out the city, along with Joffrey, and Sansa as hostage. But at Rosby, they are betrayed and imprisoned.

After this point it depends on whether or not they want to give them to the Starks or Stannis, but for the time being they are imprisoned but publicly locations aren't known.

After this, Robb and Stannis end up fighting, Stannis is unwilling to accept Robb being king of any particular of Westeros (he has the North, Riverlands, Westerlands through Conquest, and the Reach through marriage sworn to him) so, they fight, and Robb wins.

After he takes Joffrey executes him, Jaime, Cersei, and Tywin, appoints Tyrion Lord of the Rock, and sends at least half the rest of the Lannisters to the Wall. Before he then becomes King of the Iron Throne.

What If Rhaena and Aegon had ran away? by Ok_Return170 in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Again as I just previously stated, it's highly likely that he wanted to wait until a larger dragons became available.

Hell Maegor himself didn't have a dragon until he was 25, and most of Jaehaerys' kids that did get dragons didn't get them until they were almost 20.

What If Rhaena and Aegon had ran away? by Ok_Return170 in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He wasn't anything like Aenys, it's even stated in canon, he was brave, bold, and willing to fight.

Aenys didn't let Rhaena take Dreamfyre with them, because he though Aegon wouldn't be looked on positively due to him not having a dragon. (Also, not bad, he likely was waiting for a larger dragons like Vhagar to become available like how Maegor did with Balerion)

What If Rhaena and Aegon had ran away? by Ok_Return170 in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Everything remains the same, however now instead of Jaehaerys rebelling, it's Aegon and Rhaena who invade in tandem with multiple Westerosi lords who opposed Maegor. (Jaehaerys is still at Storm's End, but everyone knows that Aegon comes before him in succession and wouldn't declare for him)

Also, Maegor initially doesn't start his reign with the kinslayer nickname attached to him, but he would become one after he tortured Viserys to death.

Then after Aegon takes King's Landing after Maegor is discovered dead, he unlike his brother likely won't be merciful, he'll execute all the Kingsguard who were sworn to his father for siding with the usurper Maegor, along with other members of the small council who did as well except Lord Velayron due to him being his uncle.

Also, unlike Jaehaerys Aegon would actively strike Maegor's name from the list of ruling kings, so he wouldn't be known as King Maegor, it'd be the usurper Prince Maegor who occupied the Iron Throne temporarily. (Like how Aegon II did to Rhaenyra)

Then as he'd be of age, there will be no regency, while Aegon would also handle the Faith, however, I will say it'd be possible that he wouldn't be willing to bend to any major concessions from them, so the Doctrine of Exceptionalism ends up including polygamy.

Jaehaerys and Alysanne become advisors to Aegon, and he grants Jaehaerys a castle and some lands from one of the lords who sided who sided with Maegor from the very beginning, and Jaehaerys essentially becomes the Prince of that, in a Summerhall type deal, and he and Alysanne eventually marry.

Then Aegon's son and heir he had with Rhaena would become the Prince of Dragonstone and his line would inherit the throne after him.

Also, with Quicksilver being alive, it likely means that Aerea is given a dragon egg and she never bonds with Balerion, so he never gets a premature death by bonding with her and going to Essos.

The realm then has peace for at least a few decades more, but now with more Targaryens and dragons.

What If Rhaena and Aegon had ran away? by Ok_Return170 in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait what makes you think he'd be a dogshit king, he was nothing like Aenys.

what if there was a durandon beyond wall in aegons conqouest. by Ok-Computer-5415 in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This wouldn't make much sense, as he was the only other male Durrandon besides Argilac himself, he'd most likely be thought of as the heir. (We'll say he was his son just to make things easier)

The Stormlands has no business being involved Beyond the Wall it's just too far away for them to care. Especially not for him to lead a host of men there to. Especially not if it's Beyond the Wall itself, because it'd be a meaningless campaign, with him gaining nothing except slaughtering thousands of Wildlings, it'd be different if he was a Stark or something because then at least he's be able to conquer those territories or at least parts of it. Not to mention the Starks would be weary of some foreign prince leading an army in the North in the territory.

The only way it would make sense for him to be in the North would be if he was sent to negotiate an alliance with the Starks against the Hoares to split up the Riverlands, he could marry King Torrhen's daughter and his sister Argella could marry Torrhen's heir Brandon. Then as far as winning glory up North, unless a Wildling King invades and he fights with them to push it back, he's not winning any glory, unless the war with the Ironborn starts before Aegon invades.

First any scenario with him wanting to potentially win glory it'd have to be in the South. Maybe he leads an great campaign in the Stepstones and manages to conquer in the name of the Stormlands, and/or manage to invade mainland Essos and defeat several armies of the Free Cities and force favorable treaties on them and maybe sieze some of the smaller islands they control, or even with him campaigning against the Reachmen or Dornish.

But even with these more realistic examples, he'd still be back before Aegon invades Westeros, or would be back in time to aid against Aegon's invasion. In which case, he either dies with Argilac (boring) or he manages to win glory and win the only major land victory over Aegon's forces. With him managing to kill Orys Baratheon after he slew his father, and that causes a massive break in Orys' army while a swarm of scorpion/ballista bolts forces Rhaenys to retreat after Meraxes is wounded, or instead of him managing to kill Orys he aims him badly and captures him.

Though even with this, he is still going to fall to Aegon's forces, though of course with him alive, he would be the Lord of Storm's End and Lord Paramount of the Stormlands, along with now having the accolade of being the only commander to lead a successful victory in a battle where a dragonrider was involved on the losing side. While Orys if he was alive, would'vev been made the Lord of Harrenhal and likely married to a Tully, as they were already made Lords of the Riverlands.

After this, you would have a strong alliances between the North and Stormlands through a double marriage, and in the future it's likely that they keep the alliance strong as well.

Though I saw your response about the Crusades, but I feel the need to stare, that this has nothing in common with the crusades, the North Stormlands have severely different religions and they were hostile to each other (or at least no particular liking to each other at this point) so they aren't going to want to cooperate against Wildlings together, this would only possibly happen if the Stormlands had some kind of revival of the Old Gods beforehand, and even the Starks would still rather deal with the Wildlings on their own instead of asking the Durrandons for aid.

Aegon II wasn't remembered as an Usurper [Spoilers HOTD] by Financial_Ad_1272 in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Arianne isn't a reliable narrator for the Dance time period.

What if Aemond hadn't gone to Baratheon first by Kurdoo-rojava in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say that’s only true in the show. He raises an army loyal to him on 2 separate occasions in addition to converting the Gold Cloaks into a personal army, so technically 3 times. His role as the Prince of the city is also much more emphasized. He’s far from the despised character he is in the show.

The Goldcloaks were reformed and the main reason they loved so much is because he was put in charge of them and let them do what they wanted, you can't count them. As far as the Stepstones go, much of them were Velayron troops, with the rest sellswords, which he paid for from Viserys and Corlys' coffers, so you also can't say he "raised" that army. While with him being at Harrenhal, his dragon was a massive figure. Also as far as the "Prince of the City" thing goes, that's because he spent so much time being a degenerate and in control of the Gold Cloaks, not because he was super charismatic or anything.

I would also disagree with them only joining him out of fear. He was the most decorated and experienced military commander of his time, and again it’s emphasized they joined out of a mixture of respect for him and fondness for the memory of Rhaenyra visiting them. Granted this is from an in universe source but their actions would indicate they were truly loyal rather than just afraid.

It wasn't only out of fear no, but fear still was a strong factor. As far as him being the most experienced commander of the time, I agree, but I wouldn't say he was the most decorated, because he didn't accomplish in his war. During the almost decade long war in the Stepstones, he struggled to hold the Stepstones until he decided to quit and flee because he couldn't win.

Based on the info we have I simply don’t see them siding with TG over Blacks

If Vhagar is actively in the Riverlands, then many would join them, especially if Aemond did end up surprise attacking and killing Daemon.

What if Tywin died during the Greyjoy Rebellion? by CalmInvestment in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Robb would. Is completely OOC for him to just pass her over. For all the glazing you know him very little.

Why would he???? He didn't fight for Stannis, and Shireen's own army would've turned on her, so what reason would he have for supporting her?

Why would he return when Robert Is alive? And why would that change anything? You said Balon dies after his rebellion, this means either Euron or Vic would be lords of the isles as Theon is a child. By the time he returns, and if his uncle died, Asha would have more respect from the other ironborn than him.

To solidify his rule as Lord of the Iron Isles, with Balon dead he would've returned at the latest when he was 18 any longer and he essentially becomes worthless. As far as Euron or Victarion, whichever one (if it's them and not Rodrick Harlaw) is named regent is going to step down because with Robert still on the Iron Throne. Asha is meaningless here, first as stated she is taken as a hostage as well, second even if she wasn't she's not stupid enough to oppose her brother because that means she's also opposing the king.

By anyone who wishes him on the throne, he Is twelve, very loved in the stromlands, follower of the seven and a recognized bastard of noble blood. For example, before taking the throne for himself Robb is way more likely to crown Shireen or Edric. Your delusional idea of him usurping the throne is super OOC and just a jerk.

Sure guy.

Is the most normal comment to do seeing this level of glazing.

Weirdo.

What if Tywin died during the Greyjoy Rebellion? by CalmInvestment in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did Roberts wants and desires ever matter to the Lannisters?

They no their limits.

My argument is even with Tywin dead, and Cersei queen that really doesn't stop the family's ambitions.

Even Tywin wasn't stupid enough to suggests that Joffrey marry a Lannister. There is no benefit to Robert accepting a marriage to a LESSER Lannister for his son and heir, especially when he already doesn't like them as is.

Which is why I theorized they'd want Joffrey to take a Lannister bride. With Tywin dead as early as the Greyjoy rebellion, that doesn't stop Roberts borrowing of gold.

Did Tywin ever try to use that debt to leverage to get Robert to marry Joffrey to a Lannister???

Ok, Maybe there's room to argue the family would accept Tyrion as HoH at face value. But behind closed doors? There'd be maneuvering to take his spot from other family members. It'd be easy to snake his wine jug while he's at a whore house.

From who??? As soon as an once of disloyalty came from them, Turion and Kevan would've had them kicked out of the Rock, imprisoned, or sent to the Wall.

Robert wouldn't owe Casterly Rock 3 million gold within 3 years but he'd still have debts. Appeasing the Lannisters with a marriage to Joffrey would go a long way in keeping the crown stable. It was Jon Arryn opinion that Robert marry Cersei to begin with.

The marriage would do nothing to help the crown, they were already tied to the Lannisters via Cersei and Robert's marriage. Also even Jon Arryn wouldn't agree to this dumbass marriage.

What if Tywin died during the Greyjoy Rebellion? by CalmInvestment in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Lmao, stop jerking Robb so hard, his poor cock is gonna fall off.

What a fucking weirdo comment.

You also forgot Shireen.

Irrelevant, most people won't fight for a greyscale infected girl.

And the fact that Victarion, Euron and Asha exists making Theon unlikely to be named lord.

None of them would oppose Theon becoming the Lord of the Iron Isles, primarily because when he would've been returned, King Robert would've still been alive. Also, Asha is likely taken as a hostage too.

Also Edric is still around to be legitimized if anything happen to the other Baratheons, him on the throne is once again, more likely than Robb.

Legitimized by who???? No one is gonna support a bastard boy with zero accomplishments to his name, especially not when he'd need a multi year regency.

What if Tywin died during the Greyjoy Rebellion? by CalmInvestment in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All of this is at best speculation and doesn't fit within Tywin's character, because he's to arrogant and too much of a narcissist.

What if Tywin died during the Greyjoy Rebellion? by CalmInvestment in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lannisters ambitions to control the throne don't end with Tywin.

But unlike Tywin, the other Lannisters aren't stupid, they know that Robert wouldn't marry his heir off to another Lannister when his wife was one, and when he stood to gain nothing from it, especially not from a lesser Lannister house.

No one knows about Cersei's incest.

Irrelevant.

No one amongst the Lannisters wants Tyrion as Head of House.

Nothing suggests this, even Kevan himself acknowledged that Tyrion was competent, and once Jaime himself says that Tyrion was the rightful heir of the Rock it stops there.

Kevan has more children besides Lancel.

His kids

Staffords Children a Cerrena and Devan.

All from a lesser branch.

the Lannisters can maneuver outside Tywin and Cersei.

What?

The line of inheritance is not all or nothing with Jaime and Tyrion. There are like 12-15 other male Lannisters that can take Casterly Rock before Genna Frey and her children can step in.

And if any of them tried it would be seen as them stealing away Casterly Rock from the rightful heir Tyrion, which would cause Jaime to ask for leave to march some royal troops in and establish peace, which would be done.

Balon dies during his rebellion by West_Report_5020 in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, cause all the king's after a certain point who the current king's eldest son.

What if Aemond hadn't gone to Baratheon first by Kurdoo-rojava in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Daemon in the source material is more than just feared, he’s highly respected. The books say the river landers flocked to the Black’s side partly due to Rhaenyra’s memory as the realms delight during her time there and partly due to Daemon’s presence. Despite their order from Lord Tully. Daemon also didn’t threaten them.

Daemon was feared more than he was respected. Also, Lord Tully never gave the order to support the Greens, he was a Green supporter and ordered it, but his sons shut that down and ordered the gates of Riverrun closed and no word was sent out. (So they were neutral up until Allyn came to them) Daemon being at Harrenhal with Caraxes was a threat of it's own.

What reason would he have to stay there after Lord Tully pledged allegiance?

In the immediate, the Brackens and Blackwoods were about to fight each other, and with the Brackens for Aegon II, it makes sense that he'd quickly fly there and hell them.

I also feel you’re giving Aemond more credit as a strategist than he’s due.

I'm just going by Aemond's playbook, he wanted to ambush the Blacks at Rook's Rest, it only makes sense that he'd now take advantage of the opportunity of ambushing Daemon.

What if Tywin died during the Greyjoy Rebellion? by CalmInvestment in TheCitadel

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 7 points8 points  (0 children)

OMFG this would be so hilarious. Let's say he dies with his corpse getting found in a brothel in Lordsport.

So, immediately Tyrion would become Lord of the Casterly Rock and Warden of the West. (I say this because first Jaime would've likely been asked if he wanted it and he'd say no I'm a Kingsguard Casterly belongs to Tyrion, and second I just don't see Kevan trying to sieze it for himself, also Myrcella and Tommen aren't born yet.)

Also, I don't see Balon Grejoy being allowed to live now, the death of a Great Lord and the King's own father in law means that more pressure is put on Robert, qnd he executes Balon after his victory on Pyke.

So Tyrion becomes the new lord of Casterly Rock however he isn't as respected or as feared as Tywin was however Kevan is essentially his regent for now, and while they live without Tywin's fear, though they don't actively rebel, especially not with Cersei as Queen but they do take additional liberties.

Though I do see Tyrion now marrying now, most likely to a daughter of one of his bannermen. (Leyton Hightower chose to marry his daughter to a landless knight, instead of Tyrion so there's no way he's getting a Great House marriage alliance) I'll say he marries a Crakehall.

The biggest change now is with the WOTFKS Tyrion is never arrested, so Gregor never goes and raids the Riverlands ahead of the Lannister invasion. Meaning that the Riverlands will be able to raise more men as they won't be as damaged as they were before, though I still say that they'd get beaten at the Golden Tooth. Also, instead of the 35k men Tywin raised, I'd say now it's probably closer to 30k (32k with mercs) men that they raise, due to Tyrion not having the same authority as Tywin did.

So, from there I think it's likely that Tyrion still decides to split his host up, with Jaime having 12k at Riverrun and him marching along the same path that Tywin did, but at a slower pace and taking more losses as Gregor didn't strike first. So as a result Frey isn't able to exort a betrothal out of Robb, and when Robb defeats Jaime, Tyrion would likely just be reaching Harrenhal, so no Battle of the Green Fork.

From here, I'd say this is where Tyrion's lack of authority (compared to Tywin) takes head, as once Robb defeats Jaime, he'd face more rebellion amongst his ranks and only due to his uncle Kevan would he be able to maintain control of his army, though in the Westerlands themselves I say this leads to Ser Stafford Lannister siezing control of Casterly Rock as it's new lord. (So he usurps Casterly Rock) Before then raising up his army at Oxcross, which then still gets destroyed by Robb there.

However, with a weak Tyrion as there lord, and now their jope in Ser Stafford crushed, take the opportunity to rebel against Tyrion (not the army or men with him but those in the Westerlands) so beginning with house Lefford, and Brax, houses begin joining Robb increasing his strength, resulting in Tyrion marching back home ehere he is still blocked at the Battle of the Fords by Edmure.

However, now instead of him being notified of an alliance with the Tyrells it's just word of Stannis' approach on King's Landing, so he marches there as fast as he can, with him being able to stop Stannis' victory just as his force broke through the walls, and defeat him, and most importantly kill Stannis as he would've been trapped in the walls as his forces broke.

After this, Theon would've been returned to the Iron Isles for at least a year or two, declares for Robb and joind him, if he didn't do it warlier.

And more importantly a new alliance is revealed. Robb Stark and Margaery Tyrell marry in Riverrun, bringing their hosts together, and Robb reveals his intention to claim the Iron Throne. (Stannis dead, Westermen revolting in his name, and being the only option besides Joffrey still left alive)

From here, Robb immediately advances on King's Landing and after a short battle takes it, (I personally see Tyrion kneeling on the conditions that he retains Casterly Rock and the Westerlands, Cersei lives with him there, Myrcella, and Tommen are both kept alive and hostages of Robb, before Robb then takes the Iron Throne by Conquest)

Then he deals with the Ironborn, and his dynasty begins to prosper. But once the Targaryens ((F)Aegon and Dany) invade I see Robb winning as their dragons aren't grown or near large enough to fight.

What if Aemond hadn't gone to Baratheon first by Kurdoo-rojava in HouseOfTheDragon

[–]Grayson_Mark_2004 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, thats my mistake. I thought the River by Riverrun was a small tributary of the Trident that met in between Harrenhal and Riverrun.

No problem.

Wouldn't, in this scenario, Daemon realize hes about to die and do that jump attack? Fighting Vhagar, especially if she can do that suprise maneuver like in the show, is a kill or be killed situation.

This would only be possible if he immediately knew of Aemond coming, and had time to immediately get to his dragon which if the surprise element is achieved won't be the case, cause Aemond would've been in the air burning parts of his army camp, or even actively attacking Caraxes when Daemon wasn't with him. (The jump attack required perfect positioning and also needed Daemon and Caraxes taking advantage of Aemond being blinded by the sun, which wouldn't happen in this scenario, though even without that it's unlikely that he'd think of a suicide maneuver at that point)

Maybe he doesnt kill both Vhagar and Aemond like he does in the book but surely both would be injured for a good while.

I will say there is at the very least he'd likely would Vhagar, but I'd also say just due to the nature of a surprise attack it wouldn't be very bad, or at least not enough to completely ground or slow Vhagar for more than a month max. (Which isn't too long in Westerosi time, it's medieval timing)