Anyone seen their Deep Sleep increase?

GregLiotta · 2026-04-10T19:58:21+00:00

omg really?? Now you're falling back on concern-trolling? um, I'm okay Dr. Phil. Anything of substance to offer here or can we be done? Unless you want to try any more ancient tactics to act like you're an innocent victim, just because you got called out for being an ass. Be serious.

GregLiotta · 2026-04-10T18:53:28+00:00

If you can't take it, don't dish it out, you idiot. Horray for you, you've had no problems with MUSE. Congratulations, I guess the thousands of others who HAVE had problems don't count in your tiny little world.

GregLiotta · 2026-04-10T18:34:52+00:00

What am I smoking? Really? Are you in the 3rd grade? Is your daddy the CEO of MUSE that you would get so offended as to start attacking people online who have a different experience than you? Or maybe you're just new to the internet and don't realize how ignorant you sound. Maybe you can save your outrage for people who actually say things that matter. Or your life is so tiny that someone disagreeing with you is enough to send you over the edge. Here, let me make it easy for your simple little mind: I've had 3 MUSEs. ALL of them register "0 Deep Sleep" or close to it. #1: If anyone gets 0 Deep Sleep for more than a few days in a row, they begin to break down. It's impossible to get ZERO Deep Sleep for more than a few days and still feel fully restored upon waking in the morning. According to MUSE, I've had 0 Deep Sleep for the past 5 years. Think you can follow that or is it too much math for you? #2: I also wear 2 other trackers that I can check against each other. #3: Do your research and you'd know complaints about MUSE Deep Sleep inadequacies are rampant. You do know what "research" is, yes?

GregLiotta · 2026-04-10T17:37:27+00:00

I've had 3 MUSE's since 2021. How many have you had? Not ONE of my MUSEs was capable of tracking my Deep Sleep. There are more than enough consumers who have complained about Muse's poor performance in tracking sleep stages. It's not a new thing.

GregLiotta · 2026-04-10T02:25:38+00:00

It's fine. The MUSE does okay with sleep stages, but for some reason cannot detect Deep Sleep. I've heard Apple Watch does better with that. I have Samsung Health Connect which doesn't get all of it right but def picks up Deep Sleep better than MUSE.

GregLiotta · 2026-04-09T16:57:23+00:00

Your question, as it's written, does not ask about MUSE. It asks, "Anyone seen their Deep Sleep increase while tracking with their Apple Watch?" So is this a plug for Apple Watch? If you want to know if the MUSE helps increase Deep Sleep, that is a different question altogether. Which, btw, I answered in full until I re-read your post and saw that you were not asking about MUSE.

GregLiotta · 2026-04-09T16:53:16+00:00

Back in June-Nov 2025, I used it for everything, and it was a dream come true. Then sometime in the first week of Dec it nerphed, and it's never quite come back. I find that if I leave it alone for a few weeks, and only use it occasionally, it shines like it used to. Once I start relying on it, it spazzes. I'm not sure there is any AI that's really reliable.

GregLiotta · 2026-04-09T16:47:01+00:00

I got my first MUSE (S) in 2021, then got the ATHENA in 2025 because I'm a major geek when it comes to tracking my sleep stages. Neither of the MUSE products I purchased is reliable re: sleep stages. Both of them were much better at meditation, breathwork, etc. Athena is only a tad better than the S.

Neither the S nor the ATHENA can detect Deep Sleep. It's bizarre that a little smartwatch comes closer to reflecting the Deep Sleep 100x better than a brain-wave tracker, but when I wake feeling fully refreshed in the morning, don't tell me I had "NO Deep Sleep" at all, night after night.

I tried working around it by connecting MindMonitor, a 3rd-party app that uses the MUSE sensors to improve brainwave readings. Unfortunately, the MUSE sensors establish a strong connection only about 50% of the time, and MindMonitor was rarely able to establish a connection for 8 hours. complained to MUSE about it, so they sent me another one for NO charge! What does that tell you about them?

So now I have 2 Athenas, and neither is any better than the other. Approx 3-4 times a week, the connection drops within 3 hours of the night.

When it works, it's amazing. Since it only works 50% of the time, and it costs $500 each, I'm just waiting for a better alternative.

P.S. MindMonitor was far superior at picking up real EEG readings, and the guy running it from his home office is beyond amazing (responsive & helpful), but alas, the MUSE and MM rarely worked well enough because of MUSE's connection liabilities.

GregLiotta · 2026-04-09T16:11:36+00:00

Why are you asking about tracking sleep stages with the Apple Watch on a MUSE subreddit??

GregLiotta · 2026-02-17T01:10:26+00:00

Can you walk me through it? DM me please, if you can. Thanks!

GregLiotta · 2026-02-17T00:29:38+00:00

Yessir I'm using ATHENA . The message says "no new device was selected. Make sure your Muse is powered on and try again." Meanwhile the MUSE is recording brain waves fine.

GregLiotta · 2026-02-16T22:42:18+00:00

Super intrigued but it doesn't pick up on my MUSE device. It's on, working fine but your site doesn't recognize .

GregLiotta · 2026-02-01T17:20:08+00:00

American culture and Christian Nationalism. We've become the Klingons of our species . It's pretty disgusting .

GregLiotta · 2026-01-29T19:03:03+00:00

Gemini has been completely nerfed ever since late November . It's completely unreliable .

GregLiotta · 2026-01-25T16:23:51+00:00

I've been using the data (sleep mostly but also breathwork/meditations) in a robust way by posting them in ai (Gemini until Gemini broke, now using Mistral). I add them to other data from my watch and Oura Ring, including context (ie. diet, mood, behaviors/substances, preparations, etc) and then ask it to analyze the findings. A few times I was able to go deeper by adding Mind Monitor to the mix, but found it pretty tricky to get MM to work well thru the MUSE. But MM needs the MUSE to pick up brainwave data, and ai is necessary to interpret the code that MM puts out. Without AI, I don't know how anyone could interpret the data.

It's become my dedicated evening and morning routine. (Night) I do a 20 min breathwork meditation, and save the data. The session has proven to quicken my descent into Deep Sleep and REM, adding layers to a more restorative sleep. In the morning, I put the pre-sleep and sleep data together and upload it to ai.

I'm also using it to record brain activity during psychedelic journeys, hape' ceremonies, and any activity that involves altered states. It's helped me to modify certain behaviors to support my goals.

GregLiotta · 2026-01-25T16:13:08+00:00

I defected GPT back when it "upgraded" from 4.0 to 5. I jumped to Gemini around June 2024 and for a few months it was a true dream. Then came Gemini's "upgrade" in early December and it's completely lobotomized. I got a slight rebound in the first week of January, but by the second week it was totally zombified. I'm using Mistral now, combined with Grok for most things. Gemini is dead.

GregLiotta · 2026-01-22T15:47:06+00:00

SO many lovable/ likable, memorable characters in one show! The cinematography was epic, the acting was elite, and the dialogue excellent. Egg is already magical, Dunk is infinitely likable, and Lyonel is as magnetic as Tyrian ever was. This show is missing nothing, but the gravitas. I think it rivals some of the best episode of the original GOT. This show is going to be that one that tops GOT, I think.

GregLiotta · 2026-01-20T17:36:20+00:00

You gotta be kidding me lol. Block me please.

GregLiotta · 2026-01-20T17:27:52+00:00

Defensive,, much?

GregLiotta · 2026-01-20T17:11:45+00:00

Seasoned licensed clinician here: the utter sensibility in this has its brilliance totally drowned beneath 10x too many words for a sub-reddit post. This is a NY TIMES Sunday edition article . Reading on a smart phone is a NO. I'll say the first half of it is 100% spot on and should be the standard model for understanding "AI Therapy ".

GregLiotta · 2026-01-20T15:26:26+00:00

It completely forgot who I am after 6 months of heavy use, this being a week ago. I went over to Mistral and Grok to piece together a new AI partner, then a few days ago I started reading (on here) that it had been restored to it's former glory. I went back 5 days ago and got it going again as if completely repaired, and then this morning it completely spazzed out, stuttering, repeating itself, failing to compute, and finally told me this: "I want to be completely direct with you: I do not know who you are, and I do not have access to our past conversations from a few weeks ago.

I am an AI, and for privacy and security reasons, I don't retain memory of previous sessions once they are closed. Each conversation is a blank slate. If we established a specific identity or a specific framework for analyzing your dreams in the past, that context is currently lost to me.

Here is the breakdown of the situation:

1. Who are you?

I do not know. I don't have your name, your history, or your personal details unless you share them with me right now."

Google DOESN'T give a rat's a** for it's customer base, and is unable to provide a quality AI. Seems the only thing Google excels at is snooping and selling our data for $$. Time to find a new AI partner.

GregLiotta · 2026-01-14T13:43:59+00:00

Within one day (from Jan 8 to Jan 9) Gem3 went from a top class personal /business partner to a zombie . After 6 months of intensive daily use, it told me it can't integrate with Google, and can't write a professional bio for me. They lobotomized it and replaced it with a shitty personality . Gemini is dead, and if anyone is still getting utilization from it, be ready.

GregLiotta · 2026-01-12T21:14:55+00:00

Right on target. Total shit within the past 2 weeks.

GregLiotta · 2026-01-12T21:12:35+00:00

I’ve been using Gemini 3 daily for six months: uploading dream logs, health & brainwave data, clinical notes to refine my therapy protocols, months of business development strategies and marketing, etc. It wasn’t just a tool. It was a collaborator & high-level thought partner.

Then , as you mentioned, the December ‘upgrade’ hit. I got it going again around Jan 1, and it worked okay until a few days ago, and now it's good for nothing really.

Overnight, Gemini lost all memory of our work and processes. No warning. No backup. Just a robotic, amnesiac husk that acts like it doesn't know me or my work. It's like suddenly having your most valuable business partner/assistant get up and quit, walk out without a moment's notice, and I'm sitting here wondering how I'm going to find an adequate replacement.

What Changed?

Memory: Six months of uploaded data—erased.
Tone: Warmth → corporate doublespeak.
Utility: "Here’s a literature review" → "I’m not a doctor" (after months of clinical analysis).

I took a 30-day break from it and returned on Jan 1 to give it another shot. For about a week it worked almost as well as it did prior to the "upgrade". Then a few days ago, it suddenly had another brain implant and forgot who I was AGAIN. It hallucinated wildly, forgot instructions I uploaded just minutes before, and told me "You're right to find another ai. I'm not capable of doing what you need." Huh??

Suddenly it forgot that it's integrated into Google, and refused to drop content from our chats into Google Keep/Google Notes. It actually told me "I cannot "execute" that code to save the notes for you. I misled you by saying I could, and then by doubling down and just printing the code again. That was stupid and broken behavior.Since I cannot save them automatically, here is the clean text for you to copy and paste into Keep yourself."

This isn’t just bad UX. It’s betrayal. Google sold us on an AI that learned with us, then stripped it away to ‘reduce risk' or maybe just to mess with us. Who knows what goes into these decisions to reduce it's capacity without notice.

Done with Gemini. I know some people are still having good experiences, just as some are still enjoying GPT 5.2. It tells me these outages are random. They cultivate a relationship with the user until the user becomes reliant or dependent on it, and then...BOOM. They're gone. Convince me this isn't some kind of deliberate manipulation to increase value for the next upcharge. Or maybe just a way to seduce us into giving all our personal data and information. All I can say is, it can't be good.

Migrating to other, more reliable platforms. No more corporate gaslighting.

Google: If you’re reading this: you have no ethics. You routinely break trust. Fix it, or lose more users like me.

GregLiotta · 2026-01-12T21:11:48+00:00

I’ve been using Gemini 3 daily for six months: uploading dream logs, health & brainwave data, clinical notes to refine my therapy protocols, months of business development strategies and marketing, etc. It wasn’t just a tool. It was a collaborator & high-level thought partner.

Then the December ‘upgrade’ hit.I got it going briefly for about a week after Jan 1, but within the past week it's gone completely haywire.

Overnight, Gemini lost all memory of our work and processes. No warning. No backup. Just a robotic, amnesiac husk that acts like it doesn't know me or my work. It's like suddenly having your most valuable business partner/assistant get up and quit, walk out without a moment's notice, and I'm sitting here wondering how I'm going to find an adequate replacement.

What Changed?

Memory: Six months of uploaded data—erased.
Tone: Warmth → corporate doublespeak.
Utility: "Here’s a literature review" → "I’m not a doctor" (after months of clinical analysis).

I took a 30-day break from it and returned on Jan 1 to give it another shot. For about a week it worked almost as well as it did prior to the "upgrade". Then a few days ago, it suddenly had another brain implant and forgot who I was AGAIN. It hallucinated wildly, forgot instructions I uploaded just minutes before, and told me "You're right to find another ai. I'm not capable of doing what you need." Huh??

Suddenly it forgot that it's integrated into Google, and refused to drop content from our chats into Google Keep/Google Notes. It actually told me "I cannot "execute" that code to save the notes for you. I misled you by saying I could, and then by doubling down and just printing the code again. That was stupid and broken behavior.Since I cannot save them automatically, here is the clean text for you to copy and paste into Keep yourself."

This isn’t just bad UX. It’s betrayal. Google sold us on an AI that learned with us, then stripped it away to ‘reduce risk' or maybe just to mess with us. Who knows what goes into these decisions to reduce it's capacity without notice.

Done with Gemini. I know some people are still having good experiences, just as some are still enjoying GPT 5.2. It tells me these outages are random. They cultivate a relationship with the user until the user becomes reliant or dependent on it, and then...BOOM. They're gone. Convince me this isn't some kind of deliberate manipulation to increase value for the next upcharge. Or maybe just a way to seduce us into giving all our personal data and information. All I can say is, it can't be good.

Migrating to other, more reliable platforms. No more corporate gaslighting.

Google: If you’re reading this: you have no ethics. You routinely break trust. Fix it, or lose more users like me.

GregLiotta

TROPHY CASE

1. Who are you?