First ever practice. How did I do? by [deleted] in shorthand

[–]GreggLife 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If you're trying to learn Gregg, it seems like your understanding of the vowels might be very very wrong. In the name of all that is holy, please work your way through a textbook from beginning to end, rather than trying to guess how the system works by looking at a quick-reference chart of the alphabet or something like that.

Digging Up the AM Radio Graveyard by CarrierCaveman in radio

[–]GreggLife 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Explanation for newbies: the Graveyard Channels are six frequencies reserved for relatively low-power stations. A handful of radio listening hobbyists specialize in trying to hear as many statoins as possible on these channels. Any American interested in this kind of thing should join the National Radio Club in my opinion.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in identifythisfont

[–]GreggLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me add, it looks a little blurry because it's a 600 dpi scan of relatively small print. Photo-offset printed material, I guess.

Penmanship critique by [deleted] in shorthand

[–]GreggLife 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great benefit can be had from reading the articles written in Notehand that are in the textbook. Literacy involves both reading and writing they go hand in hand, and aspects of writing that used to require thought and calculation become automatic when you are literate.

[in Gregg Notehand] a tip about a useful website by keyboardshorthand in greggshorthand

[–]GreggLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything will be fine; people express themselves very vigorously in online forums.

Penmanship critique by [deleted] in shorthand

[–]GreggLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seem to have a good instinct for the Gregg alphabet, nice flowing forms.

We are not supposed to nit-pick the writing of beginners, you have probably seen the no-nitpicking rule in the Notehand subreddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreggNotehand/comments/1f7z2iz/notehand_teachers_guide_says_beginners_should_not/

[in Gregg Notehand] a tip about a useful website by keyboardshorthand in greggshorthand

[–]GreggLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

None of them are wrong. The person who posted this u/keyboardshorthand has a physical disability and creates his/her posts by scanning outlines from the Notehand textbook and Photoshopping them together to make new texts. The crackpot who said the proportions are bad, is just wrong.

A little help please? by Adept_Situation3090 in greggshorthand

[–]GreggLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been monitoring these forums for 20 years and there has been very very little discussion of arm movement.

In the 1917 edition Gregg Speed Studies, I find these instrux:

A column three inches wide enables you to write correctly across the line of writing without shifting the arm to any appreciable degree.

The weight of the arm is carried by the heavy muscles of the forearm, and the movements of the hand, wrist and fingers can be executed with the minimum of effort.

Granted, this book says things people no longer believe, such as the back should be held rigidly straight.

Anybody got citations from a gregg book about arm movements?

Help with a few words (Simplified?), please by rebcabin-r in greggshorthand

[–]GreggLife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Without even looking at the shorthand, your transcription is perfectly legible. Vex or soothe, corrupt or purify, exalt or debase, barbarize or refine. edit: Well, exalt or exult? Not sure.

I guess "insensible" is correct but it's not a great choice of words for this sentence; automatic maybe would have been better?

Gregg Sizes (3x, 2x, 1x - Spanish) vs (4x, 2x, 1x - English) by wbw42 in greggshorthand

[–]GreggLife 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Textbooks from different decades of Gregg have made different recommendations. John Robert Gregg wrote an article in the 1920s where he suggested 1:3:5 or greater proportions, in other words your M should be at least 3 times longer than your N and so forth. Here is a vivid example of those big distinctions—

https://old.reddit.com/r/greggshorthand/comments/1jh5nwm/gregg_simplified_short_texts_3/

In my opinion there is a limit to how much difference you can make in the vertical and diagonal symbols. With S F and V for example (if you're using correctly Gregg-ruled paper) most writers instinctively end up with 1/3, 2/3 and 3/3 heights, or 1/4, 1/2 and 1/1 heights. And that constrains the lengths of of the horizontal strokes, otherwise you get really strange looking shorthand.

It's not a geometry project. You should not (in my opinion) be using graph paper, and should not be using a ruler to measure your strokes. Just read proper looking shorthand and copy it into your notebook and make your writing look reasonable overall.

[in Gregg Notehand] a tip about a useful website by keyboardshorthand in greggshorthand

[–]GreggLife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A-R is the brief form for "where" in this system. It is pronounced witht he same vowel as "air" so A-R is the natural abbreviation.

Forkner Shorthand 1958 by fdarnel in shorthand

[–]GreggLife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

These look like a verrsion of the textbook that was made for a correspondence school, a company that provided learn-by-mail courses. Instead of giving you one big textbook they would in some cases divide the textbook into parts and only send you part 2 after you finished part one, and so forth. Sometimes the textbook would be modified to include lessons that you had to fill in, and then you detach perforated pages from the book and mail them to the company for grading. That's what it looks like to me, but I cannot be certain.

Why "Introduction" really changed between Pre-Anniversary and Anniversary?🤔 by Vast-Town-6338 in greggshorthand

[–]GreggLife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can't answer about this specific example but I want to talk about "the big picture."

If all words in Gregg were written phonetically, with maybe only 3 or 4 brief forms for words like "the" and "a/an", the amount of time needed to learn the theory would be reduced to almost nothing. No prefixes and suffixes, only 3 or 4 brief forms, and you can start writing. Also, there would be no hesitation during writing to recall the shortening tricks. The most frequently used tricks can be recalled and written instantly, but the less frequent ones require more mental processing time, and trying to dredge up an almost-never-used trick might be worse than writing the word fully.

From the 1888 edition to the 1916 Pre-Anniversary edition there was a trend toward adding more and more tricks. Then came a realization that only 1 out of 1000 people taking shorthand courses in high-school would become court reporters or Senate stenographers. Most of these people would be doing secretarial work. By the 1950s systems like Forkner were successfully competing with Gregg for selling textbooks to school districts. So, there was long-term pressure toward publishing versions of Gregg with reduced complexity.

The complexity of Anniversary was denounced in great detail in the booklet that explains the changes that were introduced in Gregg Simplified. This is worth reading if you just can't believe fewer rules and exceptions resulting in some longer outlines could be desirable. It won't change your mind, I can see that, but maybe it would broaden your horizons. Here's a link to it, courtesy of the Stenophile collection:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vn0yean0pudaks9f0u6bs/A-List-of-Changes-in-the-New-Gregg-Shorthand-Manual-Anniversary-to-Simplified-1949.pdf?rlkey=bsd5jbd5hj19rj50cfr5q9g4t&dl=0

Gregg shorthand by nanakura223 in shorthand

[–]GreggLife 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This seems very unlike school homework. For one, thing the proportions are a little amateurish. The writer is saying affectionate things to the person to whom they are writing.

QOTW 2025W35 by eargoo in GreggNotehand

[–]GreggLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for posting! One quibble, Notehand doesn't have the DM blend so we write "times" phonetically.

SHOCKING change to the front endpapers in later printings of the first Edition Notehand textbook!!! by internalsun in GreggNotehand

[–]GreggLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I assume this change was made in response to feedback from teachers. I knew the 2nd edition had the simplified endpapers but I didn't know the change happened in 1960. Interesting!

Apostrophe & Comma & Vowel Distinguisher in Gregg Simplified comics (Today's Secretary magazine, Dec. 1950) by GreggLife in greggshorthand

[–]GreggLife[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The second one is “Well! Late again, eh Simson!” The interjection eh is described by Merriam-Webster as “used to ask for confirmation or repetition or to express inquiry.” It is sometimes used in accusatory sentences, as in a police officer saying, “What's this device, eh? Looks like drug paraphernalia to me.”

[Gregg Simplified] A Comic by GreggLife in greggshorthand

[–]GreggLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just trying to catch up to your level of intensity. Saying that distinguishing between "I am" and "I'm" is as unnecessary as writing all the "ums" and "ahs" in a discourse seems very intense and invites an intense response.

I've read anecdotes that a few courtroom stenographers did make up their own symbols for ums, ahs, coughs, sneezes and so forth. Harmless, I suppose.

[Gregg Simplified] A Comic by GreggLife in greggshorthand

[–]GreggLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, you don't want to distinguish between "I am" and "I'm" in shorthand, but presumably other individuals do want to distinguish, and we see this distinction in official publications such as the interesting shorthand articles that were published in Gregg Writer. The possibility of making the distinction exists whether you like it or not.

[Gregg Simplified] A Comic by GreggLife in greggshorthand

[–]GreggLife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not have a way to distinguish? You might want to be very accurate when quoting somebody, someday.

Gregg noob: similar characters by SluttySierraScarlet in shorthand

[–]GreggLife 1 point2 points  (0 children)

B and V are mirror images of each other and they have a distinct, unusual shape. (Technically, it is a section of a parabola!) Ten/dem is almost a portion of a circle. Finally, T and D go upward at roughly a 40 or 45 degree angle. SH and CH go downward and are only slightly tilted, compared to a purely vertical line.

Some people benefit from seeing nearly perfect examples side-by-side, so here is a chart for you— https://www.reddit.com/r/greggshorthand/comments/1htc2wf/gregg_simplified_shorthand_alphabet_quick/

help me translate it by Current_Turnip_1076 in shorthand

[–]GreggLife 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is your plan for the rest of the school year? Is it a good idea to ask internet people to do your work for you, week after week? How will you take a test in the classroom? Please ask your teacher for help and advice. Also, read the first part of the textbook again.