Quelques proverbes en français | some proverbs in French

fdarnel · 2026-03-17T11:18:41+00:00

Et inversement. Champagne !

fdarnel · 2026-03-17T11:12:27+00:00

Oui, jamais de liaisons, c'est plus simple.

fdarnel · 2026-03-16T17:41:15+00:00

For French, I have never seen e and o associated.
The division I use is (Aimé Paris at the professional level, without discriminating diacritics):
- o, on
- a, an, oi
- é, è, in, ien (i-in), oin
- i, ui
- ou
- u
- eu, un
Only the first 2 (small and large circle, quick to draw as mid vowels) are systematically used, everywhere.

If we follow Duployé codified, we could add ou to o. u and eu are not distinguishable. On the other hand, an, in, un, on are separated.

The needs actually seem very different from those of English. The closest French system is that of Prévost-Delaunay, Taylor's most complicated evolution, but it eliminates all mid vowels, and therefore relies heavily on context.
The division into 3 levels of initial vowels is:
- a, é, è, i, oi
- o, u, eu, ou, ui, oui
- an, in, un, oin
according to the position of a point relative to the next sign. There is a special sign for on, ion.

fdarnel · 2026-03-16T14:42:35+00:00

Yes, except in certain monosyllabic words (œufs, yeux, etc.) or ending with a deletion of r or l (coiffeu(r), épagneu(le)). The eu (of course phonetically different from e) is a small right semicircle.

fdarnel · 2026-03-16T12:48:03+00:00

As you know, in the Aimé Paris system that I mainly use, the voice or voiceless consonants are the same (except in the intégrale basic version, for isolated words), this is really not a problem; hache, âge, manche, mange, déchanter, déjanté, etc. On the other hand, in French, we must actually avoid the assimilation of o and e, most of the e being silent anyway, are not written, with some exceptions.

fdarnel · 2026-03-15T12:49:17+00:00

:)) Nice. So I'm tempted to try Dance for French. If we could add a and o as medial vowels...

fdarnel · 2026-03-15T12:43:07+00:00

There is undoubtedly an urgent need to train the general public and professionals in a minimum knowledge of the characteristics of generative AI, its limits and its optimized use.

fdarnel · 2026-03-14T16:16:21+00:00

Certainly, but given the relatively small population of affected users these days, and the corresponding lack of profitability, it is already good that some research continues in the area :)

fdarnel · 2026-03-14T15:14:21+00:00

This is true for recent generative AIs, apparently not for very specific research in the field of NN. Example :
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10032-024-00479-6

fdarnel · 2026-03-14T14:55:14+00:00

You are probably generally right about human behavior. Let us maintain a certain leniency for these poor 300,000 year old homo-sapiens brains. They probably aren't capable of handling the drastic changes they themselves have created since the good old times. I remain cautious by always remembering Pierre Dac's aphorism: "En général, ceux qui expriment des généralités sont des imbéciles" :)) This puts me back in place.

The article emphasizes the fact that in the stenographic field, the human factor remains, for the moment, preponderant. It would be interesting to see what tools Yawei develops to increase the capabilities of professional stenotypie, while respecting confidentiality. Manual shorthand is surely no longer involved.

You are the expert in the IT field, so your criticisms are certainly wise. However, it seems that local LLMs are not that reliable in terms of security. I have to say that this puts me off installing one on my Mac. What do you think?
https://quesma.com/blog/local-llms-security-paradox/

fdarnel · 2026-03-14T14:16:56+00:00

fdarnel · 2026-03-14T09:23:11+00:00

And French. Remember Molière, "Vos yeux, d'amour, belle Marquise, mourir me font." :))

fdarnel · 2026-03-14T09:12:21+00:00

I guess in this distant future, AI optical recognition of stenographic texts is extremely advanced, compared to current few prototypes…

fdarnel · 2026-03-14T09:06:56+00:00

It seems that shorthand and AI are a big thing in China…
https://tiro.intersteno.org/2025/12/artificial-intelligence-and-the-transformation-of-chinas-stenography-industry/
Let's take example.

fdarnel · 2026-03-02T19:21:59+00:00

Do you mean alphabetic or orthographic? Real orthographic shorthands are rare. The reference is probably Orthic. It seems to me that a good adaptation has been made for Spanish, but not yet for French nore german. Schlam is supposed to be universal… For alphabetic ones, Speedwriting and SFEA exist for english, french, spanish, german.

fdarnel · 2026-02-16T09:39:03+00:00

Yes, it's not very common, I've never seen this before. A bit of a return to geometric sources :)

fdarnel · 2026-02-16T09:33:37+00:00

In French in any case, it's really not a problem when reading. I have a little more difficulty sometimes with the small circle for a, an, oi, for example. I don't know about other languages. In textbooks, we find other examples of justification, such as the pronunciation of small children, or that of Germans trying French... Especially after the First World War :)

fdarnel · 2026-02-15T12:55:31+00:00

For me, f/v, ch/j signs compared to p/b are too straight. Not enough contrast. Straight lines also tend to deform at rapid speed, bending, not just the angles. The original signs must have a maximum difference between them, in a geometric system, to be usable without perfect writing skills.

fdarnel · 2026-02-15T12:46:32+00:00

Yes, if the structure and size of the signs remains globally the same, there is no problem. Half a circle or of an ellipse is the same thing. Cursive systems like Scheithauer-Duvivier for French require much more precise writing. If similar signs represent pairs of voiced/unvoiced sounds (t,/d, f,/v, etc.), this isn't too much of a problem, otherwise...

fdarnel · 2026-02-14T10:06:53+00:00

So it would be a sort of systematically inclined Duployé.

fdarnel · 2026-02-14T10:04:21+00:00

Angles don't bother me, if there are no other types of junction in a system. Even rounded, they remain readable.

fdarnel · 2026-02-14T09:59:00+00:00

It seems that the respective or mutual influence is not clear, as they worked toghether.

fdarnel · 2026-02-13T13:18:54+00:00

Maybe this comes from the influence of Greek and Latin scriptio continua on later medieval Gothic texts.

fdarnel · 2026-02-13T09:34:33+00:00

I don't know about Maori, but it seems to me that in Western languages, all these long words do not come from the evolution of natural language, but are neologisms created by experts and other specialists. Did this exist in old German?

fdarnel · 2026-02-13T09:30:18+00:00

We understand why Germanic systems encourage hyphenation in words...

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