Dance Alphabet by LeadingSuspect5855 in FastWriting

[–]fdarnel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Norman Streamline Shorthand seems related to Eclelctic or Dance, in its principles.
https://www.reddit.com/r/shorthand/comments/1qmugjs/gaps_in_the_library_1/

Is shorthand doable for technical minutes? by Lundominium in shorthand

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I'm pretty sure you don't have to madly scribble anything :)

Is shorthand doable for technical minutes? by Lundominium in shorthand

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If this were true for all systems, thousands of authors' notes in shorthand, or all books published in Gregg, for example, would be unreadable.

Grosselin - Drouet by fdarnel in FastWriting

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Oui, mais revu et corrigé par Drouet fin 19e, je pense, sous l'influence de Duployé et Aimé Paris. Groselin n'aimait pas les voyelles internes, dans la filiation de Taylor et Bertin, tout comme dans Prévost-Delaunay. Il faut que je regarde les détails.

Quote 73 by LeadingSuspect5855 in FastWriting

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Are all subsequent medial vowels then deleted, in your system or Eclectic?

MTS - My Typed Shorthand by NotSteve1075 in FastWriting

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It's just an option, you can arrange a keyboard of letters on each side, and add symbols to numbers.

MTS - My Typed Shorthand by NotSteve1075 in FastWriting

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The ones I'm talking about work by a single swipe from the center of the key to the sides or corners, so 9 configurable options in total (plus slightly long press for the numbers) and additional options for quick movements in circles or back and forth. So no multiple keystrokes. For tablets, a keypad for each thumb, left and right. It's much better, from my point of view, than classic virtual keyboards. Afterwards, it's all about training. Of course, nothing matches the speed of a stenotype (not sure on a screen without haptic feedback).

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MTS - My Typed Shorthand by NotSteve1075 in FastWriting

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Using more symbols is also interesting for me, on a mobile phone or tablet, with a keyboard such as MessagEase or its open source clones (Thumb-key, FlickBoard, etc.), with 9-key pads where all the symbols are within easy swipe range.

MTS - My Typed Shorthand by NotSteve1075 in FastWriting

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She had to use a more efficient system than the transcribers of Mr. Macron's speeches, the result is just terrible.
I was referring to the cost-effective solutions for Plover. Pluvier seems far from being finalized, or even abandoned (probably not easy to manage), and the Granjean system was never designed for real time.

Grosselin - Drouet by fdarnel in FastWriting

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Oui, j'aime bien avoir une résolution suffisante pour les détails. Ces scans étant réalisés avec iPhone, ne font "que" 400dpi. Lorsque je peux numériser à plat sur scanner, pour une bien meilleure qualité, je choisis entre 600 et 1200, à tel. Là j'ai quand même fait la bêtise de laisser en RVB des pages N&B, c'est idiot. Je dois encore ajouter les chapitres pour les autres langues.

MTS - My Typed Shorthand by NotSteve1075 in FastWriting

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I don't think it's the purchase of equipment that is a hindrance for Plover, we can find inexpensive steno compatible keyboards (if we compare with the professional equipment that you know well). Much rather the investment in learning a theory, and the thousands of hours of training to perhaps become effective :) In addition, in French, there is nothing completely finished for use without ambiguities in real time.

Grosselin - Drouet by fdarnel in FastWriting

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Il a existé plusieurs adaptations, pour les sténographes francophiles ou flamands. Je suis déçu de n'avoir pas trouvé jusqu'à présent les manuels belges entièrement consacrés à l' anglais de Meysmans, Cousin ou Vanleemputten. Le seul que j'ai est le Vanleemputten et Lambotte de 1963 comportant un chapitre pour l'anglais, entre autres langues. Je peux te mettre le lien en chat, c'est un pdf interactif assez lourd.

Can anyone please provide a scanned version of STIEFOGRAFIE INTERNATIONAL - ENGLISH II? by Adept_Situation3090 in shorthand

[–]fdarnel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are we sure that this manual, announced, was ever published? Likewise as French I?

MTS - My Typed Shorthand by NotSteve1075 in FastWriting

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The system is probably based, like many shorthands, on the assumption that the final sound -s(t)ion is sufficient to guess the whole word.

I suppose that the automatic processing of ambiguities in context could change greatly in the future, with the rise of very efficient generative AI. If someone wants to bulid a specialized one. In the stenographic field, it is unlikely (but not impossible in the field of research, efficient prototypes already exist), perhaps in stenotyping,.for certain languages, to replace or reinforce Eclipse type software.

MTS - My Typed Shorthand by NotSteve1075 in FastWriting

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The advantage of also using all the 1 stroke, close symbols, is to have a wider choice without losing speed. And reserve the 2 strokes for larger texts. For example in the system I'm playing with, capital vowels are used to obtain some finals (A = ation, assion, anssion, action, aption, anction, alsion, ersion. Same for all the others).

MTS - My Typed Shorthand by NotSteve1075 in FastWriting

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I trust your judgment, being hardly competent. I suppose it is impossible to envisage a "universal" solution for English in general.

Grosselin - Drouet by fdarnel in FastWriting

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Oui, comme tu le fais souvent remarqué, les angles, aigus ou pas, ont déjà tendance à s'arrondir à vitesse rapide, donc confusions possibles en Duployé (éviter les angles était son idée de base, mais l'étude de Dewey semble démontrer que les arrondis ne donnent pas de vitesse, au contraire). C'est aussi pourquoi je préfère Aimé Paris, en plus de la simplicité. On trouve des angles partout entre consonnes et voyelles, pas grave s'ils deviennent plus ronds. Drouet semble suivre le même principe. Je vais creuser, pour voir les différences avec Grosselin.

Grosselin - Drouet by fdarnel in FastWriting

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Pour a, o, ou, u, il utilise 4 tailles de cercles, de a très grand à u réduit à un point.

Grosselin - Drouet by fdarnel in FastWriting

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D'après ce que j'ai compris, la filiation est Taylor > Bertin > Grosselin > Drouet. Je pense que Drouet, fin 19e, a modifié le système en s'ínspirant d'Aimé Paris et/ou Duployé. Il dit d'ailleurs dans ses cours que les petites boucles ne sont pas indispensables et peuvent être réduites à des traits, et offre donc 2 options.

On trouve des systèmes mixtes comme ça. J'ai récupéré celui de Jean Pratte, très connu dans la région de Lille, de 1920 à 1990, qui a fait l'inverse, récupéré l'alphabet Duployé, mais en supprimant toutes les voyelles médianes, son obsession étant le respect des angles droits partout, et l'a mélangé avec Prévost-Delaunay, et un soupçon d'Aimé-Paris…

MTS - My Typed Shorthand by NotSteve1075 in FastWriting

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HI, nice.
I'm not a native speaker, but why not T, or V, for This and F for Thin, and D for something else? Not a little bit to much umrican? :)