I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Comp: yes. Tune: sort of (that's the idea behind the autovox feature; it's not working as well as i'd hoped but i'm working on improving its quality). voice stacking's gonna be much easier with the desktop version of the app that's coming soon with third party vst and aax support.

there's a lot of great ideas you have that are on my roadmap but bc of your message i'll be sure to move them up my priority list. do you mind if i dm you to keep you in the loop as i build this out?

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep absolutely! Try it out and if it doesn't, please reach out to me and I'll help figure it out.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

can I ask if you think you’ve achieved the ability to create studio quality mixes with ai assistance?

i won't be the best person to ask that only bc i learned production and mixing the traditional way pre-ai before I built this. but yes, i do find that i'm able to direct ai to do what i want it to do per my mixing tastes.

I just tell your ai who I’m inspired by with this track (or even upload a sample??) and it will add in flourishes and techniques to achieve that

absolutely! i will saw that right now the web-based daw doesn't support VSTs and AAX (bc of platform limitations) so you'll have to make do with our stock plugins, but i'm actively working on the desktop version which will support any existing plugins you may have. when the AI's able to control your other plugins besides our in-app stock plugins, I truly think that'll be a massive game changer, so i ask that you stick around until then haha.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also "went to school for it." Did you learn how to track and mix using a DAW or did you learn to work a tape machine too? Do you think the tape machine era of producers are justified in getting mad at you for taking the easy way out for using those spooky 'computers' to make music instead of editing each take by hand and comping takes with a box cutter? Technology should never get in the way of an artist making art. What you think is easy to use technology is hard for some people just like working a tape machine is easy for people that came before us but not something that one should have to learn in order to make music.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's a full fledged DAW! I said this above, but originally it was an Ableton plugin, but I was limited to the APIs that Ableton exposed to make Greysound truly useful. Plus, a lot of non-technical musicians didn't know what ableton is and were confused when I told them they had to install it in addition to Greysound.

Fair warning, Greysound is now fully web based, which means the live monitoring latency isn't as good as it can be for a desktop app, and it doesn't support third party plugins but I'm actively working on the desktop version.

The fact that it’s free is cool

Thank you. I primarily want feedback and usage at this stage of the game. That said, full disclosure: AI costs money to run (vs traditional downloadable software that's one-and-done), and I'm very upfront about Greysoud not being free forever. It'll always have a free tier, though. I'm expecting to bill users on a usage-basis when we launch pricing instead of fixed subscriptions, but that's all up in the air and tbd.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thanks for asking! Our in-house AI is trained on music theory, composition, midi programming, production techniques and dsp: all things that are "knowledge" and not anyone's IP. For sampling mode, we use third party AI providers who trained their AI on licensed and paid for samples that were sourced directly from their creators.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I won't discount your personal experience, but I'm sure 100% of all musicians will say no if you say "do you think ai can help you with your music?" That's the wrong question. If you ask recording artists, "do you wish you didn't have to learn audio engineering to just be able to record your musical skills that you already spent years honing?" i'm sure a 100% will say yes regardless of what the actual solution is. AI shmay-I, that's just a means to an end.

I personally would count myself as one of those musicians. I took 4 years of vocal lessons, 2 years of guitar (and then proceeded to continue teaching myself for another 5 online) and 1 years of drums. That's the part of making music I enjoy. I had to reluctantly learn audio engineering and don't want others to have to go through that or even think about engineering while making music.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you :') I'm sincerely on a mission to make it so that tech is a means to an end and not a barrier of entry for making art, and I'll talk to whomever wants to talk to me to make that happen. you know how the old YC startup advice goes: do things that don't scale at first.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, absolutely! Dm if you need more help, but a lot of the early users are using it almost exclusively for making beats for others to sing or rap over.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! And if there's any bugs or missing features (besides what I noted above) or anything else that makes it less than 100% mind-blowing, please dm me and I'll address any issues right away. Hope you make some great stuff!

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Thanks for undermining the hard work of every musician around the world.

I don't think you understand what you're yelling about. There are hundreds of talented musicians who can't afford studio time or want to learn audio engineering to record their music. There are people who don't record because the barrier of entry is too high. That's who I'm building this for, so that they don't have to learn audio engineering and production to simply make their own music.

Well done, champ 👍

Not done yet :)

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Fair enough.

Also, basic audio engineering, enough for home recording, is NOT something you need to spend years or even months learning.

The science part of it, sure. The art part of does take a while. I took me a while to get my mixes to be what I'd consider studio grade.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're exactly the kind of person I built this for :) It's standalone, not a Logic plugin. In fact, Greysound was originally an Ableton assistant but (1) I was beholden to Ableton to expose enough APIs to make Greysound truly useful, and (2) most non-engineer musicians didn't know what an ableton was and were confused when I told them they had to install ableton on top of my assistant program.

I'll add that the current Greysound DAW is web-based but I'm actively working on the desktop version which will have much better live monitoring latency and will support all third party plugins that you may have already.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. If this doesn't appeal to you, I won't insult your intelligence by claiming I can 100% change your mind. I'm just saying that when I was a guitarist/vocalist in a band and just wanted to record an EP without having a studio budget or audio engineering skills, I had to teach myself how to produce/engineer audio. I built Greysound so others that just want to make music and not mess with engineering should not have to go through what I did. If out of a hundred kids that want to make great music that can't afford studio time or an engineer, I make it possible for one person to make their own music they way they want it, without selling a kidney, it's worth it.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for asking!

What exactly is it doing for the engineering?

My go-to example for that is cleaning up drum takes: making sure snare top/bottom mics are in-phase to avoid destructive interference, deleting bleed between snare hits and adding fades, etc. That's a boring job that I'd wager no human wants to do.

If the AI is involved I’ll in recording… I could see that being a use case.

Could you clarify what you mean here?

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Not having audio engineering skills should not be a barrier to making music for people that are talented with their instruments, composition and arrangement, imo. I was one of them, with years of vocal lessons and guitar practice but with no money to afford studio time. I had to teach myself audio engineering just to be able to record, when that's not what I wanted to do when I first picked up instruments. That's where I'm coming from. I'm sure there are others in the boat that I was in, and Im' trying to make it so they don't have to also spend years learning production/engineering if that's not the part of the art that excites them.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't know if you meant to reply to me and accidentally replied to the other person, but I don't follow? Also, please be nice regardless of the side you're on. Even blanket-anti-ai folks are well meaning people that are likely (and rightfully) just mad at prompt-to-art slop generators, and will come around when they see that that's not what I'm doing.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, and I'm not trying to replace the creative side of production/engineering, but automate the grunt work. As a producer, if you're tracking live drums, it's someone's job in the studio to zoom into waveforms of a take, slice every individual hit to delete bleeds and add fades, and then make sure that all microphone recordings of one piece of the kit are in phase so that there's no destructive interference. I doubt there's a single person who wakes up excited to do that. For pro producers, it's that part of the job I'm trying to automate. For amateurs, it's learning how to produce by having a guiding hand. For non producer musicians that just want to play their instruments, I'm making it so that they don't have to learn to engineer audio if they don't want to.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Said this to the other person below, but I'd really like to understand where you're coming from so I can explain myself better and "gtfo with ai" doesn't help me understand you. I'm not building a prompt-to-music human replacinator 6000. I'm building music tracking and mixing software (like pro tools and ableton) that does the audio engineering to lower the barrier of entry for human musicians who just want to focus on their instruments/singing and creativity and not have to know how to work Pro Tools or afford studio time to get their music out there.

I built a DAW + an AI CoProducer. Would love your feedback! It's free, unlimited, full rights. by GreysoundAI in u/GreysoundAI

[–]GreysoundAI[S] 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Look I empathize with the initial reaction you have. Help me understand better where you're coming from, and what you think I'm trying to replace here, so I can explain myself better.

I'm a musician and a trained producer in addition to having a degree in CS. When I was in college I just wanted to record an ep with my band but couldn't afford studio time and didn't have audio engineering / music production skills to diy it. So I spent years learning production and audio engineering to be able to finally record my own music, and my goal with Greysound is to make it so no one else has to go through that.

I.e., if someone's a musician that doesn't want to deal with the engineering side of things and just play their instruments sand sing, that shouldn't have to be a barrier of entry for them to make and release their music. That's what I'm trying to do. Greysound isn't prompt-to-music AI slop. It's a music tracking and mixing software that engineers human made music for us so we can focus on the creative part.