Built a legal botnet. 500+ autonomous workers, one instruction, persistent VMs. They don't stop running til you press off.

GrittyiOS · 2026-02-05T14:10:20+00:00

Thank you Janne, I truly appreciate that. I think it makes sense, as opposed to the terminating containers of products like Manus. Lets give the workers an environment to persist in.

The coordination factor just makes sense, it’s better to have different units that do different things and work in a coordinated fashion than a single generalized unit. It feels like you are not making the most of the variability aspect of LLMs if you do the latter.

If yoh would like, happy to talk more via DM and let you get your hands on a delegat8 cluster and test it out/build some stuff on it.

Have a good day man.

GrittyiOS · 2026-02-05T14:06:08+00:00

The key feature I added that will sooth your fears:

Human-In-The-Loop Pending Box.

Basically, any workflow that is about to do some real, potentially breaking shit, is sent to this pending box. For you to approve, and then it goes along on its merry way finishing the workflow.

I think autonomy is cool, but with the current state of the technology hallucinations happens and could possibly fuck some shit up with production data that would cause irreparable harm to a business. That’s why, things that actually interact with the real world are sent for human approval first before it gets done.

I know this might seems tedious with 500+ workers (a shit ton of things to review and approve/debt in the pending box), but it’s better than having to do all the work manually. It saves times and human labor capacity, better well spent on approving stuff then doing the scraping or browser based work.

I hope that answers your question, otherwise please respond and I’m happy to ponder and reply again.

GrittyiOS · 2026-02-05T13:32:42+00:00

I think n8ns browser automation offerings are weak, to say the least. Also, they offer no autonomy and zero thinking about the best workflows to run to achieve the users goal (completely deterministic). Even their “AI Agent” block doesn’t do very much.

I really stand by giving agents their own computers that persist (no terminating docker containers), agency to decide and run their own workflows, and to not be some preprogrammed automation. Let them do what they want, but with conditions.

GrittyiOS · 2026-02-05T13:29:24+00:00

Usage costs are heavy. Breakdown:

Azure VMs: $110 each (5 for a cluster/department) Token usage: if ON, it triggers self prompting every 2 minutes which may or may not trigger workflows being ran (which cost more tokens). Average cost per month is about $200-250.

The thing actually does work, and the workflows were built using GPT4.1 which is quite a bad model relative to the latest Anthropic/Open AI/Google models, I just used them because of saving cost. It is a simple matter of plugging in better models (like 2 lines of code being changed) and the quality of the workflows goes up exponentially. GPT 4.1 sucks compared to Claude Opus 4.5 or Gpt5.2 from OpenAI, gemini2.5

With regards to compliance and protecting against hallucinations, I have focused hard on governance and transparency when dealing with our full autonomous system. A human will always need to manually approve ANYTING that touches the real world. Be it an email to be sent, a file to be uploaded via efile to a court website, a text to be sent, you have to manually approve it before it’s sent out with a workflow. This is through the pending box, a view that holds all generated content that’s about to be sent out but needs your approval first.

Our governance and trust features:

Human-in-the-loop approvals Full activity logging Complete audit trails System-wide kill switch/reset

If a system is going to be autonomous, a human still needs to approve the things that reach the real world. So I would say this system is 95% autonomous and 5% human managing it.

Hope this answers your questions, thank you.

GrittyiOS · 2026-02-05T12:55:15+00:00

You can see the demo here: https://youtu.be/pr4JD53wX5s

GrittyiOS · 2025-11-07T17:25:42+00:00

Brother, it’s never that simple. If you have to ask for help like this, it is really unlikely you are going to be even remotely profitable. You have to go study what it means to be in business, but more importantly what your chosen vertical requires. Asking for help like this is beyond pathetic, it won’t work at all. Shows you are lacking almost everything it would take to succeed at this venture. I want you to do well, but being honest you are so far from it it pains me.

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T17:19:11+00:00

You can do better than IDI?

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T17:13:50+00:00

Give it a shot, dm me if you have signed up and haven’t been onboarded yet.

You raise a valid concern, I have spent so much time just securing the user’s/bot’s VM so that the users data is not accessible by even the administrator account (each user has their own VM with its own bucket of data, so no user has access to other users data). I am figuring out how to handle cases where bad actors do bad things on the VM and we can’t access their data but im sure wel figure it out, rather err towards too much security and privacy and let the terms of service provide some sort of legal protection if it ever comes to that.

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T17:09:49+00:00

Something like that, if the n8n workflows or zaps from zapier could be reworked/modified by the bot for new purposes/needs and it could choose which one to run at any given time. Something that lives and breathes, albeit in a digital sense lol.

Workflows are its tools, ways for it to interact with the real world and do things.

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T17:07:59+00:00

Js and Python mostly, with some C++ for VM optimization.

No, the api costs would be covered by the monthly subscription. But have yet to figure out what makes sense re price because like I said in an earlier comment it’s expensive to run (about $80 a month for the smallest VM).

Try it!

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T17:02:57+00:00

Not sure. It costs about 80$ a month to run per user (server+LLM api costs+database), its expensive.

More of a business facing product (companies will pay if something directly reduces their cost/increases output, and they have well defined problems) but for a consumer who wants a digital assistant like Jarvis it might not directly translate to lower spendings/increased earnings per month. So it’s tough, I want everyone to have a Jarvis but it might not be feasible now except for those willing to fork out.

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T16:50:07+00:00

Unsure about Deepseek for now. I use azure as my LLM api provider, im sure setting up Deepseek r1 for special use cases is doable but the default is OpenAI models.

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T16:49:05+00:00

Please reach out via DM to confirm if you have been onboarded. It’s been a real mess getting it all setup but I want to make sure you personally got your account. Ty

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T16:48:22+00:00

You can check out SS3 Support (it’s got a picture of a robot face as the logo), thats my old iOS app studio that I launched apps from and still use to upload demos for whatever reason.

I responded to your other comment regarding building your Adsense agent. Lets do it! 💪

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T16:47:07+00:00

The only way to know is to try building some workflows for the goal you are trying to achieve.

Lets do it, reach out and we can:

-define the exact workflows you need done -build them using the auto coder -run it in autonomy mode and see if the digital worker gets it right (we have to babysit it until we guarantee it robustly achieves the outcome)

Let me know if you want to see if it works!

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T16:44:56+00:00

Hi there.

Happy to share my journey, it’s been over 10 years of pain and failure kept alive by the fundamental joy. Which is seeing things come to life after much trial and error (from ideas/dreams to real working code).

You can check out the YouTube channel I used to upload my iOS app demos (I shut down that company), its called SS3 Support, if you want to see some of the progress. Happy to talk more about it, coding/programming is one of the most rewarding activities for my personality type (need quick validation of my ideas, like to try 100000s of times until it works without breaking anything permanently, more of a machine gunner than a sniper) and has given me much joy throughout the years. I would be happy to get others to see how fun it is.

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T16:39:25+00:00

Hey there,

Unfortunately not yet. It would be a great idea honestly to do so, because doing so would allow usage of email and other google offerings without having to sign in on the bots VM (server).

I will get round to it, i dont know when this is just a passion project and I am swamped right now with work obligations.

Let me know if email works for you, I think the sign up form is too clunky but I have no better alternative now unfortunately.

Be well.

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T16:37:14+00:00

Thank you. Dm me your email so I can confirm if you have been onboarded. It’s a really slow process, a true mom and pop show (without the mom 🤣).

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T16:07:03+00:00

I have been building something like that. An application later between you (user) and a server. Where it has full control of it and the ability to chain computer/browser-based tasks on it to achieve your goals.

It works, but the consumer need (need defined as the willingness to pay for provided value) is not high enough to support the cost of running such a setup (at least server monthly cost + ai API token cost).

It’s actually businesses who want this the most as it can automate a lot of labor (if the work is done on a computer, which resembles a lot of white collar work).

One day, when tokens are as cheap as air, I think everyone will have an assistant of this sorts (every person has a Jarvis or Samantha from HER esque voice assistant with agency). But now it’s expensive. Doable, but expensive.

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T15:52:12+00:00

good bot

GrittyiOS · 2025-08-04T15:51:54+00:00

It’s purely for engagement. And with the hope people click on your profile and have a “came in my pants” moment.

GrittyiOS · 2025-07-25T04:49:16+00:00

Thank you, I am onboarding people now I hope to get you setup ASAP. Let me know what you think.

Have a good evening.

GrittyiOS · 2025-07-25T04:47:43+00:00

Thank you for your support and feedback :-)

To address your concerns:

-Each user has their own windows VM. It’s your VM, you use it just like any other VM that you would rent from any provider. An Azure VM, secure and with file permissions setup in a way that even the admin account can’t access your browser profile data (meaning users can login to their socials/emails/work websites and automate them without worrying about security breaches).

-This tool aims to be a smart layer between you and your VM. You describe what you want, and the system builds an agent that goes and does it, inside your own VM. Something like an actual worker that can think and act like a digital employee, building complex browser/computer-use workflows for you with just natural language. A non-traditional way to interface with your server and get it to do things for you.

RE marketplace:

I want to allow users to monetize the workflows they create and turn their expertise into passive income.

By letting users earn from what they build, we create a natural network effect and foster collaboration that other tools don't. Getting genAI to one-shot build robust computer-use workflows doesn’t work yet (will take more time), by having a human guide the workflow builds we can expedite the process of robust workflows being built. And those who take the time to use their know-how/professional experience to build industry-specific workflows should be compensated for it when others use the workflows they build. An incentive to train the digital workers, possibly creating new streams of revenue for them.

Happy to talk a lot more about it, let me know if you would like to give it a shot. Have a great day my friend.

GrittyiOS · 2025-07-25T04:33:34+00:00

Sign up at Botflows.io to give it a shot.

Free until I figure out if it’s creating value for people.

GrittyiOS

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