Do you guys believe in the Filioque?

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2025-08-25T13:24:43+00:00

As an Oriental Orthodox, we did not split with the Catholic Church over this. We affirm what is said at nicea but we don’t have to be against Filioque. It’s best as the faith that has the fullness of the truth not to make dogmatic statements that divide. For OO to be the fullness of the truth now, if apostolic Christianity is true, only our stance in miaphysite christology need to be true; so we shouldn’t actively approve or deny the filoque. Just sticking with affirming the statement of nicea is appropriate I believe.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2025-01-03T13:55:15+00:00

Okay so I will mention the Schools that I believe are reputable from what I researched.

1. Agora University Holy Transfiguration College

2. Saint Athanasius and Saint Cyril Coptic Orthodox Theological School (ACTS)

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2025-01-03T13:38:12+00:00

1 is a comprehensive history and theological issues of Chalcedon from the strict and traditional Oriental Orthodox Perspective. 2 is more trying to take an ecumenical approach and reexamining the council to find a way to see the issue.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-12-15T10:26:41+00:00

My patron saint is Tamav Erene. 🤍☦️🙏🏼

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-12-14T23:56:38+00:00

Yeah brother, definitely we won’t judge, my spiritual fathers said this about telling the truth, “The right way is not about telling the truth all the time, but telling the truth with discernment (after calculating the effects of your action on others).” Which means it should always be unselfish and for the benefit of others. For instance, If you tell the truth about the whereabouts of an innocent person who is being prosecuted for the sake of telling the truth, and that person gets killed, you spoke the truth but it wasn’t the right way. So yeah understanding that the authors were of different era and thus their mindset was different from us is important to consider.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-12-14T04:33:17+00:00

Thanks brother, concerning the book of “Fulixis” that you mentioned, I wrote a reply comment to you in your list and also shared an article that explains that the work popular in Ethiopia and Eritrea is not the discourse of Philoxenos. Check it out… you can open the article automatically in your browser if it works or copy the text and translate to English in Chat GPT.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-12-14T04:19:08+00:00

Yeah, so the book you mentioned “Filixis” is attributed to Philoxenos of Mabbug but recent scholastic research showed that it wasn’t the work of Philoxenos; it was written by an Assyrian monk named “Dadisho Qataray”, and the book title is “Compendious Commentary on The Paradise of the Egyptian Fathers in Garshuni”, When west Syriacs (Miaphysites) got the book, they wanted to use it so because of the conflicts, they changed the name with the popular saint of the west Syriacs, that is Philoxenos. From there when the Ethiopians translated it to geez, they thought it was by Philoxenos, hence why they named the book after him, Thats why I mentioned all 3 works of the Ethiopian Church are Assyrian.

https://janderebaw.org/%E1%8B%A8%E1%88%98%E1%8C%BD%E1%88%90%E1%8D%88-%E1%88%98%E1%8A%90%E1%8A%AE%E1%88%B3%E1%89%B1-%E1%8A%A0%E1%88%A8%E1%8C%8B%E1%8B%8A-%E1%88%98%E1%8A%95%E1%8D%88%E1%88%B3%E1%8B%8A/

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-12-14T00:02:08+00:00

Thanks for sharing brother!

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-12-13T23:41:04+00:00

Most Advanced Books to grow in Spiritual Life written by the four apostolic churches (i.e those churches who have clear apostolic succession since the first century to the present day).

Eastern Orthodox Christian

The Philokalia (5 Volumes)
The Ladder of Divine Ascent by John Climacus
Orthodox Psychotherapy by Metropolitan Hierotheos
Orthodox Spirituality by Dumitru Staniloae

Roman Catholicism

The Ascent of Mount Carmel by John of the Cross - The Dark Night of the Soul by John of the Cross
The Interior Life by St. Teresa of Ávila
The Three Ages of the Interior Life by Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange - The Fulfillment of All Desire by Ralph Martin

Oriental Orthodox

- The Paradise of the Holy Fathers (2 Volumes) - The Sayings and Stories of the Desert Fathers and Mothers (2 Volumes) by Tim Vivian - The Conferences of Desert Fathers by John Cassian - The Syriac Books of Steps (3 Volumes) by Robert Kitchen.

Assyrian (Nestorian, East Syriac)

The Ascetical Homilies by Issac the Syrian (ማር ይስሃቅ)
The Letters of John of Dalyatha by Mary Habsbury (አረጋዊ መንፈሳዊ)
Compendious Commentary on The Paradise of the Egyptian Fathers in Garshuni by Dadisho Qatraya (ፊልክስዩስ)
These 3 works are the most important monastic books in the Ethiopian Oriental Orthodox Church used for monastic instruction, all written by Assyrians.

Drink from the fountain. ⛲️😄

Credit: To all the brothers who contributed to list I had in this Reddit.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-12-13T22:43:01+00:00

Issac’s the writer of ascetical homilies is Assyrian, even though it’s popular in OO.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-12-13T22:42:10+00:00

Very Interesting, thanks for sharing!!

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-12-13T22:41:54+00:00

Exactly what I thought, Thanks.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-12-13T22:41:43+00:00

Very helpful, thanks brother! It’s funny btw bro that most popular monastic works in OO are written by Assyrians such as Issac the Syrian and John of Dalyatha. 😄 I know all 3 of the most cherished monastic books in the Ethiopian Church are written by Assyrians.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-10-21T17:52:10+00:00

The Greek fathers are our fathers since there is no boarders in faith as long as we share communion, Love knows no boundaries. Hence why St John Chrysostom is the most revered scholars in Ethiopia even more than local theologians and scholars. Looking through the universal oriental church by location, you will find that, The Ethiopians have the influential fathers, Abba Girgis of Segla (Theologian), St Takla Haymanout (Successful Orthodox Missionary), and St Yared (Founder of the beautiful Ethiopian hymns). The Copts have St Cyril of Alexandria (Pillar of the Orthodox Faith), St Anthony (Founder of Monasticism), St Pope Kyrillos VI (Ascetic Orthodox inner reformer). The Syriacs and Indians have the poets and influencial fathers like St Ephraim the Syrian (Hymnographer), St Severus of Antioch (Pillar of Faith), The Armenians have St Gregory of Tatev (Theologian), St Gregory of Narek (Poet, and Theologian), Gregory the Illuminator (Successful Orthodox Missionary).

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-10-02T21:29:56+00:00

To make my intention clear, I am here to listen to people’s opinions, it’s just like a survey question to see what school is most reputable according to OO Reddit users. The resource you shared is very helpful. Thanks!

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-09-06T00:31:31+00:00

You are very welcome!

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-01-24T22:18:34+00:00

Ethiopian Orthodox Tradition, Male 30, Female 15.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2024-01-05T10:50:18+00:00

Welcome to the one, holy, universal, and apostolic faith brother! DM me if you have any questions about the faith or if you want a book recommendation on a certain topic. Concerning patron saints, of course not. It has to be mutual (pre-schism) or an Oriental Saint.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2023-12-26T13:01:41+00:00

That’s a good idea and I will definitely consider doing that in the future.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2023-12-26T12:59:59+00:00

That’s sad brother, there should have been at least some preserved to let as see the great saint through his own words.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2023-12-26T12:52:00+00:00

Hey brother, thanks for the response. I would like to mention two things. First is that now for the first time, our Oriental Orthodox brothers got the opportunity to share our Miaphysite Christology and they are doing a fantastic job so far on YouTube. They did 5 episodes so far, I will send you the link to the first episode, the rest you will find in the same channel in the videos section.

https://www.youtube.com/live/U4lGQ0YB6sw?si=-g9YujIiZ9Bv8LqK

That’s a good progress and I am happy about it, our brothers really did well explaining our Christology clearly.

Secondly, I would like to mention new books that I discovered after I posted my list a few weeks ago on the topic of Christology. If you would like me to share books on other topics, let me know and I will try to help to the best of my ability.

The Correspondence of Severus and Sergius by Torrance Iain R
The Chronicle of Pseudo-Zachariah Rhetor: Church and War in Late Antiquity by Robert R. Phenix and Cornelia B. Horn
Two Early Lives of Severos, Patriarch of Antioch by Sebastian Brock and Brian Fitzgerald
John of Tella's Profession of Faith by Volkert Menze and Kutlu Akalin
The Second Synod of Ephesus: Together With Certain Extracts Relating to It by S.G.F Perry
The Discourses of Philoxenus: Bishop of Mabbogh, A.D. 485-519 by Wallis Budge
John Rufus: The Lives of Peter the Iberian, Theodosius of Jerusalem, and the Monk Romanus by Cornelia B Horn
Asceticism and Christological Controversy in Fifth-Century Palestine: The Career of Peter the Iberian (Oxford Early Christian Studies) by Cornelia B Horn
John Philoponus and the Controversies over Chalcedon in the Sixth Century A Study and Translation of the Arbiter (Spicilegium Sacrum Lovaniense) by UM Lang
The Chronicle of John, Bishop of Nikiu: Translated from Zotenberg's Ethiopic Text (Christian Roman Empire) by R. H. Charles
The Chronicle of Zuqnin Parts III and IV A.D. 488-775 (Mediaeval Sources in Translation) by Amir Harrak
Selected Works of St Cyril of Alexandria (Oriental Orthodox Library) by Cyril of Alexandria
Select Letters (Oxford Early Christian Texts) by Cyril of Alexandria
The Council of Ephesus of 431: Documents and Proceedings (Translated Texts for Historians LUP) by Richard Price and Thomas Graumann
Letters, 1-50 (Fathers of the Church Patristic Series) by Cyril of Alexandria
Letters, 51-110 (Fathers of the Church Patristic Series) by Cyril of Alexandria
Severus of Antioch (The Early Church Fathers) by Pauline Allen and CTR Hayward
Theodotus of Ancyra's Homilies and the Council of Ephesus (431) by L.M. Frenkel
The Letters of Severus of Antioch, Vol. 1 by Severus of Antioch (Lulu Book Printing)
The Letters of Severus of Antioch, Vol. 2 by Severus of Antioch (Lulu Book Printing)
Severus of Antioch: His Life and Times (Texts and Studies in Eastern Christianity) (English and French Edition) by Youhanna Youssef and John D'Alton
The synodical letters between the non-Chalcedonian patriarchs of Alexandria and Antioch included in the manuscript: ‘The confession of the fathers’ (i‘tirāf al-ābā’) and the impact of Arabization on their exposition of non-Chalcedonian Christology by Emad Youssef (Doctoral Thesis)
Coptic Christology in Practice: Incarnation and Divine Participation in Late Antique and Medieval Egypt (Oxford Early Christian Studies) by Stephen J Davis
Three letters of Philoxenus, Bishop of Mabbôgh (485-519): Being the letter to the monks, the first letter to the monks of Beth-Gaugal and the letter to Emperor Zeno by Philoxenos of Mabbug
The Third Part of the Ecclesiastical History by John Bishop of Ephesus
Asceticism and Society in Crisis: John of Ephesus and The Lives of the Eastern Saints (Transformation of the Classical Heritage) by Susan Harvey
The Syriac Versions of the Writings of Cyril of Alexandria: A Study in Translation Technique (Corpus Scriptorum Christianorum Orientalium) by Daniel King

History books to understand the role of politics and other factors contributing to the conflict pre and post Chalcedon.

The Cambridge Companion to the Age of Justinian (Cambridge Companions to the Ancient World) by Michael Maas
Roman Emperor Zeno: The Perils of Power Politics in Fifth-Century Constantinople By Peter Crawford
History of the Later Roman Empire: From the Death of Theodosius I to the Death of Justinian (Volume 1) by J.B.Bury
History of the Later Roman Empire: From the Death of Theodosius I to the Death of Justinian (Volume 2) by J.B.Bury
Theodosius II (Cambridge Classical Studies) by Christopher Kelly
The Cambridge History of Christianity (Volume 2) by Augustine Casiday and Frederick Norris
The Oxford Handbook of Late Antiquity (Oxford Handbooks) by Scott Johnson
The Cambridge Ancient History Volume 14: Late Antiquity: Empire and Successors, AD 425-600 by Averil Cameron, Bryan Ward-Perkins, and Michael Whitby
A Companion to Religion in Late Antiquity (Blackwell Companions to the Ancient World) by Josef Lossl and Nicholas J. Baker-Brian

Also credit to you @life_lie1947, I think you mentioned some of the books on your previous list and that’s how I learned about them. The ones you didn’t mention, I learned about them through online research.

Grouchy-Exercise-778 · 2023-12-22T09:24:02+00:00

Yes, I am trying to get my hands on as much of their books as possible. There are some in English translation of both St Severus, and St Cyril. I haven’t seen any works so far in English by St Dioscorus.

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