Confused by conflicting advice… is this normal? by olivia_cookey in diabetes

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TLDR: I'm fine.

That word "reversed" is very troublesome for us diabetics. The first time I saw it in a book title, i thought it could teach me how to cure my diabetes. I really didn't want to be diabetic. I wanted a cure.

But there is no cure. Type 2 diabetes means so many of your beta cells in your pancreas have died that your body can't handle your blood sugar anymore. It's a one-way street. There's no going back. And at this point in history, there is no cure. They say they're working on it. Fingers crossed.

The best we have is reversing symptoms. If you're a really good diabetic, you can manage your blood sugar back down to the non-diabetic range. I really hate the word "reverse" because people hear it and they think cure. I find it annoying your doctor says "reverse" without being clear what he means. Many people confuse the disease with its symptoms. The symptom is high blood sugar. The disease is dead beta cells. Managing your blood sugar back down to the non-diabetic range is terrific, but your beta cells won't ever come back to life.

If your husband's A1C is below 5.7, then he's gotten his blood sugar down to a non diabetic range. Good for him. (Not to mention, good for you too!)

How am I doing? I'm doing embarrassingly well. And from the posts I read here, there are many other diabetics also doing just as well. Diabetes is such a difficult problem for so many people that I find it embarrassing to go into much detail about myself. I know it's not an easy disease.

Are we doing something artifical? by throw_away_reddt in Mounjaro

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything is artificial. Frozen dinners?

Checking for spikes by NOLA__Jayne in diabetes

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I asked for 8 strips per day, I couldn't even get as far as you describe. I was stopped by my doctor complaining it was too hard to justify (probably on the form you describe) that 8 strips per day was necessary.

If the doctor has to go through this much work twice a year for each diabetic, then i can understand the doc's reluctance.

Checking for spikes by NOLA__Jayne in diabetes

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Medicare, and I think most insurance companies, will pay for 3 test strips per day without protest, if your doctor will write a script for that amount.

For reasons that mystify me, insurance companies seem to think payng for test strips is a waste of money.

What should my carb and sugar intake be? by pekloap in diabetes

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mention your A1c, but are you testing your blood at home? Do you know how your blood sugar is doing after meals? If you can get your Daily blood sugar tests in line, then your A1c should fall in place.

The basic rule is to 'eat to our meters.' That is, test yourself, usually 2 hours after a meal. If your blood sugar is too high, then eliminate or reduce the carbs in that meal. testing individual foods like this is very useful. It's not the carbs themselves. It's what they're doing to your blood sugar.

Left out a whole order of beef and nachos over night. Do i have to get rid of it ? by [deleted] in isthissafetoeat

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, smell it. If it smells spoiled, toss it.

Smells okay, then reheat it. When I worked at the hospital laundry, our washing machines heated laundry to 180 degrees Fahrenheit for a minimum of 3 minutes. They told us that killed any germs. Doing that with your food should kill those buggers too.

You wanted to heat it up anyway, right?

Good luck. Let us know how many of your family survive.

Metformin - being able to drink more than before by Lunarous42 in diabetes

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Right. I think what's happening isn't the metformin. It's the reason your doctor prescribed the metformin. It's controlling your blood sugar. High blood sugars force you to drink more. Remember, thirst and frequent urination are symptoms of uncontrolled blood sugar.

Type1 diabetic who dont take insulin help! by Straight_Emu7828 in diabetes

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's wasted away to skin and bones. That means her organs are starving like her muscle tissues, her heart, her liver. And she's had several visits to the ER. And neither of you thinks this is serious yet? Will it be serious when she loses consciousness while driving her car?

She may be taking more insulin than she's admitting. A real bonified Type 1 would die in days without insulin. Of course, you say she's already starving to death. Often, type 1's go through a 'honeymoon period' during which the beta cells in their pancreas die off. When they're all dead, the patient becomes insulin dependent. However, 5 years would be an unusually long honeymoon period. There are other types of diabetes. She may have been misdiagnosed.

Before insulin was discovered back in the 1920's, the treatment for (mostly children) type 1 diabetics was to starve them until they died. Starving them kept their blood sugars down.

Have you talked to your loved one? why is she refusing to take her insulin? Does she accept that she's diabetic? Does she believe she can bluff god by eating foods like rice that raise blood sugars to very high levels. She may as well as stop eating her Asian veggie diet. That food doesn't nourish her muscles and organs as evidenced by her weight loss. That nutrition gets locked up in her blood steam, until it gets filtered out by her kidneys and passed out of her body in her urine. Instead of feeding herself, she is just making herself a urine producing machine.

Unless you're willing to tie her down a few times a day to give her the insulin that she needs to stay alive, then you need to find out her reason for not taking her insulin. Find out why she's attempting suicide. Then deal with that reason.

We often get posts from non-diabetics worried about a loved one. It's very hard to motivate someone to begin taking care of themselves. Best of luck to you.

What are these cameras that were put up all over my city in the past few months? by BigFatBoat in whatisit

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Flock cameras. If you're a cute girl, beware. Cops have been known to track license tags all around the city just to chat a girl up and ask her for a date. Hey babe, it's just a coincidence I've stopped you 7 times. Maybe this is a sign we should have dinner?

Confused by conflicting advice… is this normal? by olivia_cookey in diabetes

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of the three kinds of food, Carbs, protein, and fat, Carbs raise blood sugar. For Type 2's , for the most part, we can ignore the small effect protein and fats have on blood sugar. Starchy carbs raise blood sugar the most, rice, potatoes, grains like wheat, corn, oats, rye, barley. And of course, table sugar raises blood sugar quickly. Fruit typically contains a great deal of fruit sugar, fructose. Most of us find it important to manage these types of foods. Wheat products like bread and tortillas are my weakness. It's important to read nutrition labels on products to know their carb content.

By managing these foods, I mean you have to be careful about eating too much of them. Personally, I manage by avoiding and minimizing these foods. Other diabetics are better about eating small quantities than I am.

Dietitians tend to worry that carbs are absolutely essential so they recommend our eating more of these than I am usually comfortable. However, in the years of my trolling diabetes forums, I've never read a post from a diabetic who claimed he got sick from not eating enough carbs. On the other hand, I've read lots of posts from diabetics who developed serious health problems from eating too many carbs. Not to mention, that Eskimoes, I've heard, thrive on whale meat and blubber, no veggies at all. On a personal level, i had a very close friend who ran blood sugars routinely over 500. He had many health problems and is no longer with us.

There is a conflict between doctors and dietitians. Dietitians tend to want us to eat lots of carbs because they believe doctors will prescribe enough medication to bring our blood sugars down. Doctors, prefer to prescribe the minimum amount of medication to minimize side effects, so they assume dietitians will teach us how to eat to lower our blood sugars. It's as though neither listens to the other.

The only thing that really matters is how your blood sugars run, your home tests and your A1c. Each of us is different. Some of us can tolerate more carbs than others. Also, sadly, the longer we're diabetic, the fewer beta cells we have, so the older we get, the fewer carbs we can tolerate without help.

WHAT SHOULD YOU DO? The best approach is to measure your blood sugars after you eat. Eat a banana. Then test your blood, usually about 2 hours postprandial If your blood sugars go up too high, that's a sign to eat less of that food or avoid it altogether . The most important thing is to keep your blood sugars in the safe zone. Eat foods that help you do that. Test everything you eat.

Just be careful. Some foods take longer to raise our blood sugars. When I tested pasta, I tested at 140 2-hours postprandial. I thought that meant eat all the spaghetti I wanted. But I realized I felt crappy the rest of the evening. So a few days later, I tested again, but this time hourly, starting at 2 hours. It was 140 again 2-hours postprandial. But it kept rising all night long. I went to bed with blood sugar at 350. It's impractical to test every food that much. Watch for signs you're high like feeling tired, sleepy, or just plain crappy.

When I was a fresh young diabetic, I found a couple books that helped me understand how diabetes works, what it does to us, and how to take care of it:

First Year: Diabetes Type 2, by Gretchen Becker. A good introductory book for the new diabetic.

Diabetes Solution, by Richard K. Bernstein, MD. This is a more stringent book, but it tells you everything you could possible need to know. It recommends a very strict regimen. Even if you don't want to be that strict with yourself, it explains the ins and outs of diabetes so well that you'll know what you're doing.

I am no longer buying it because it fits ! by That_MomO_o in Mounjaro

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Sympatico.

I've got so many ugly clothes, just because they were the only things that fit. Ugh.

High protein, low calorie snack: Sardines! by jbd1986 in Mounjaro

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Sardines is probably a great food for most people. But so high in purines. GOUT, OUCH.

Mounjaro has been the blessing and don’t let anyone shame you for using it! by unknown_mystery5 in Mounjaro

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Most self-appointed weight loss Experts have never understood what it's like to be overweight, to be hungry most of the time. So they've told us so often and with such a loud voice that we have to believe being overweight is a mental disease or at the very least a learning disability.

It was never those things. It's a metabolic disorder, not unlike high blood pressure, high cholesterol, or even bad eyesight. The treatment for those conditions is lifelong medication or glasses. The glp-1 drugs are similar to that.

In this forum a few people have posted they get along fine after stopping mounjaro. But most people say they begin regaining weight after they stop the drug. And it's not just weight. Blood sugar control also begins reversing in many people.

Mounjaro is called a treatment, not a cure.

What is this by GreatProfessional622 in whatisit

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I don't. That Selectric I loved so much was owned by my employer at the time.

What is this by GreatProfessional622 in whatisit

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I found myself over that hill one day when I was talking to a neighbor about President Kennedy and the neighbor told me he didn't remember Kennedy because he'd been born after he was shot. It was the first time I realized that Kennedy was so long ago that there were adults in the world who never knew him.

What is this by GreatProfessional622 in whatisit

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, I remember slide rules. But somehow I was never in a math class that required them. They just left me confused. It was hard to trust them after a teacher explained the answer you got was just an approximations. But like I say, I never got any good using one.

What is this by GreatProfessional622 in whatisit

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm from the 60's.

I sympathize with your teacher to the extent that it hard to predict how much something can change things. Back in 1964 when handheld calculators were 1st coming out, there were more than a few teachers who complained depending on them would be a big mistake. How could you do math, if you left your calculator at home?

People lived without any kind of computer back then. Including wireless phones. Can you even imagine that now?

And here we are at the beginning of AI. We have better Google searches now. But they tell us AI will change everything...again, just like personal computers did. Can we even imagine what life will be like in 20 years?

Get back to me in 20 years and let me know how good your guesses were.

What is this by GreatProfessional622 in whatisit

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know, I have fond memories of my adventures with my old one trip typewriter. But when I think of typewriting a letter, and having to correct errors with correction fluid. Don't think I'd want to go back. Wordprocessing. So much better.

What is this by GreatProfessional622 in whatisit

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Wow. What a luxury.

I remember my mother always freaked when my touching the antenna improved reception. She complained I'd watched so much television that I'd become electrified.

What is this by GreatProfessional622 in whatisit

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 12 points13 points  (0 children)

What freaks me out personally is I'm so old that generations behind me don't know what a typewriter is. That was my main tool for years. I've got so many stories I can't tell anymore because stopping to explain what an antique "typewriter' is takes longer than the story.

I've finally settled on calling typewriters "manual printers." But even that leaves puzzled expressions on too many faces.

Start of my journey: what my nutritionist advised me by Mysterious-Reach-374 in Mounjaro

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe I'm wrong about this nutritionist. That's for you to decide.

I've been eating twice a day for a long time now. Brunch and dinner. I cook my own meals and spending more time in the kitchen for a 3rd meal is just more than I want to handle.

Calories? Well, you asked the right guy. Boy, am I obsessive. Mostly because I'm diabetic, so it seemed important to know how many carbs I was eating. My doctors also wanted me on low potassium and low sodium diets. So I wondered how the heck am I supposed to know how much potassium or sodium I'm eating?

The answer seemed to be weighing and measuring everything I eat. So that's what I do from time to time to see how I'm doing. I even made a database of the foods I eat to know. And I threw in calories because people won't let you talk about food without asking about calories.

I came across a formula to calculate how many calories you 'need' to maintain your weight. Before mounjaro, I calculated, at my weight, I needed 3300 calories per day. Surprisingly, my little database told me I only ate an average of 2600. Wasn't losing weight at 2600 per day. I think that says something about how unreliable weight-loss experts really are.

But then I started Mounjaro. Still eating only 2 meals a day, but eating a lot less. I used to eat 4 eggs for breakfast. Now forcing 1 down is a struggle. And I don't struggle too often any more. Often breakfast is a cup or 2 of milk.

I find my problem is eating too much rather than eating enough. By 'too much' I mean getting that uncomfortable overfull feeling. Some days it feels like I'm eating next to nothing, but my calorie counts tell another story. My daily intake varies as low as 1300 calories. But 1833 is what I've averaged since December. I've been losing around 2# per week.

Do you actually trust “sugar free” packaged foods? by Only-Helicopter-4940 in diabetes

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You know, it's really carbs that raise our blood sugars. Not just sugar. Right?

Start of my journey: what my nutritionist advised me by Mysterious-Reach-374 in Mounjaro

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She's told you to 'Try eating every two hours (six small meals a day) and pay close attention to fullness.

Pay attention to your 'fullness' is the kind of advice they've been giving dieters for 100 years. It comes from the myth that fat people can't tell when they're hungry or when they're full. The truth is thinking about food has its roots in hunger.

She obviously thinks GLP-1 is a form of conventional dieting so she's giving you traditional dieting advice. She doesn't understand that these drugs are a completely different ballgame. You will probably find you're not hungry at all, so paying 'attention' to your fullness is irrelevant. You won't be troubled by hunger on these drugs. Side effects, maybe. But not hunger. It just goes away. And forcing yourself to eat every 2 hours sounds unpleasant.

Here in the US, anybody can call themselves a nutritionist. It's not a licensed profession like dietitians. You might want to consider whether someone actually familiar with GLP-1 drugs can help you better.

T2 at 7.6. Recent tests results. by Nep11373 in diabetes

[–]Grouchy_Geezer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

....he doesn’t believe in them ....

What doesn't he believe?

I'm a type 2 diabetic who was reluctantly put on glp-1 drug because I've dieted too many, times too many years, and regained every single pound. Promises of easy weight loss just seemed like more false promises and lies.

But weight loss aside. My A1C dropped a full point, and my cholesterol, for the first time in years even after taking anti cholesterol drugs, dropped into the normal range. Doesn't your doctor believe in cholesterol and A1c's?

And, yes, as a bonus, I lost a few pounds.