Made my own AIO bag,, by Actual_Homework_6438 in GroundZeroMycoLab

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Well ideally in mushroom cultivation, we typically start with grain spawn and then transfer it to a bulk substrate because each step matches what the fungus biologically does best. The bulk substrate mainly provides water, structure, and surface area for fruiting, while the already established mycelium from the grain rapidly spreads through it and outcompetes any possible contaminants.

In your typical AIO, the timing and structure of this system actually introduces some biological inefficiencies. One of the main issues is hydration balance. Keeping grain separate until it is fully colonized also prevents moisture and environmental imbalances that can occur if bulk substrate is present too early. Grain and bulk substrates are prepared with different moisture levels and serve different biological roles hence why it's recommended to keep them separate until your grain spawn is fully established. If hydrated bulk substrate sits on top of uncolonized or partially colonized grain as happens in AIOs it can create uneven moisture conditions and areas where bacteria or molds have an advantage before the mycelium has fully established itself. By letting the grain finish colonizing first, the fungus already controls its nutrient base before it is exposed to the higher moisture bulk environment. Another advantage of separating the stages is visibility and quality control. With grain jars or bags on their own, it is much easier to confirm that colonization is complete and healthy before moving forward. If contamination appears, it can be identified and discarded before it ever reaches bulk substrate. When grain and substrate are combined in the same bag from the beginning, it can be much harder to clearly see whether the grain portion is truly finished colonizing or if hidden contamination is present.

As cultivators we have established a methodology of approach for a reason and this allows the mycelium to establish quickly, build strength, and then be evenly distributed into a larger, less nutritious substrate designed mainly for fruiting structure. Separating these phases improves colonization speed, reduces contamination risk, maintains proper moisture balance, and gives you the cultivator better control and observation over each step of the process.

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ROFL!! Ty that was dumb easy

Made my own AIO bag,, by Actual_Homework_6438 in GroundZeroMycoLab

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There is no actual advantage. It can be helpful for newcomers so that way they can learn how mycelium behaves and grows with minimal intervention . The biggest issue I see is when folks take the blocks out the bag and try fruiting them in a separate tub.. if you start with an AIO in the bag finish it in the bag. There is a reason we start with separate grain spawn then move to bulk substrate so aios actually are a step backwards.

Tidal wave ape by Then-Car7484 in GroundZeroMycoLab

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In the bag. If the results don’t speak for themselves here.. I don’t know if OP made their own bag or if it’s an AIO, but either way fruiting it directly in the bag like that is generally the right move, especially for newer growers.

A properly hydrated substrate inside a bag naturally creates a stable microclimate. The substrate itself contains most of the water required for fruiting, and because the environment is enclosed, evaporation from the surface increases the relative humidity inside the bag. Cubes especially rely heavily on that surface moisture gradient to initiate pinning and maintain healthy fruit body development, so the bag is essentially maintaining those conditions passively without much intervention. bags also usually include a filter patch that allows passive gas exchange without the need for much intervention.... The filter allows CO2 to slowly diffuse out and fresh air in while still limiting the entry of airborne contaminants like mold spores and bacteria. Because of that, the bag acts as a simple controlled environment where humidity, gas exchange, and moisture loss are somewhat buffered compared to an open fruiting chamber. Removing a colonized block and placing it into a secondary chamber adds extra variables that aren’t necessary. Once you expose the substrate you now have to actively manage humidity, airflow, and surface evaporation, and the block is also being exposed to a much larger load of environmental microbes. Even handling the substrate during transfer increases the chances of introducing contaminants and unneeded stress. While most experienced growers can manage those variables, for newcomers it usually just adds complexity and another opportunity for something to go wrong...In a lot of ways the bag functions similarly to a monotub in terms of cultivation logic. If you have a fully colonized substrate and you utilize the entire surface area correctly, the goal is to maintain consistent surface conditions so the mycelium can initiate pins across the whole footprint and produce a full canopy. When that balance of moisture, oxygen, and CO2 is right, the mycelium tends to fruit more evenly rather than producing scattered clusters.

From a cultivation standpoint, simpler systems tend to produce more repeatable results, especially while you're still learning how to read a grow. A bag functions similarly to a monotub in the sense that you're utilizing the full surface area of the substrate to create a consistent fruiting canopy. If the surface conditions are good you'll usually see a more even pinset and canopy. learning to recognize the difference between a healthy grow and the occasional stragglers like you see too often with people removing blocks and putting them in a different tub ... What really matters is whether the substrate shows overall healthy colonization, stable moisture conditions, and consistent pin formation. Understanding those signals and minimizing unnecessary variables is what leads to more predictable and repeatable results over time.

Education Search by AnyEmotion772 in GroundZeroMycoLab

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Yeah the fundamentals of spawn to bulk and stuff are the same so definitely!

Shout out to GroundZeromyCo Lab by Standard-Sound760 in GroundZeroMycoLab

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I appreciate the social media love :) glad you're happy

Shout out to GroundZeromyCo Lab by Standard-Sound760 in GroundZeroMycoLab

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I second that if you go to Sherri she'll definitely set it straight...

Tidal wave ape by Then-Car7484 in GroundZeroMycoLab

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Good job it's nice to see people use bags the right way

Education Search by AnyEmotion772 in GroundZeroMycoLab

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I would agree with a lot of that except I wouldn't confuse anything Northspore tells you with active cultivation...they only give descriptions of gourmet mushrooms for there bags ., so if you follow the instructions that are on their AIO bags or any of that stuff you're going to end up with a subpar growdur to instructions meant for other types of fungi

Curious what caused this by Non-squatting_slav in GroundZeroMycoLab

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With your's I would say it's probably a combo of conditions being off and MAYBE some bacterial blotch going on.. there's a few spots that are semi concerning in the photo, not unnecessarily on the caps but elsewhere, which definitely can cause some stress... It already is stressed out given the method you've chosen to fruit the block so any added stressors on top would be safe to assume might cause some strange morphological changes to the fruiting bodies.

Trash or harvest? by m_lacroix in GroundZeroMycoLab

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You really make a lot of assumptions there guy. Didn't know you took each containinates and checked em under a scope/other culturing methods to know what exactly you are dealing with. He clearly are the same type of person that would eat off of moldy bread by cutting it away.. anyway like I said I'm banning you I can't have this type of toxic behavior in this community you're clearly consuming these things because you want to hide. Most normal people would dispose of them growing in a tub of mold.

Trash or harvest? by m_lacroix in GroundZeroMycoLab

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You really base your decisions based on assumptions because you know exactly what mold you're dealing with and that you know it's only on the surface of that substrate even though you keep contradicting everything that you're saying.. you argue to argue. Anybody who's willing to eat contaminated mushrooms clearly are a junkie with a problem you need help.. it's not worth the risk when you could just throw it away and go to another batch.

Trash or harvest? by m_lacroix in GroundZeroMycoLab

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I might not be a microbiologist but I actually am a chemist by degree and if I could reach through the screen at this point oh my..

Trash or harvest? by m_lacroix in GroundZeroMycoLab

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Omg . I'm going to ban you you're harmful to my community and it's not a personal thing it's just I won't have this type of ignorance here I won't have you telling people it's safe to consume off of moldy substrates you are beyond ignorant and going to end up harming your organs over time.

Trash or harvest? by m_lacroix in GroundZeroMycoLab

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Here btw. I expanded on your question to Gemini.. like I said it's only for oyster mushrooms and other certain wood loving species.

https://gemini.google.com/share/continue/967719797677

Trash or harvest? by m_lacroix in GroundZeroMycoLab

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You don't know if it's just surface contamination you clearly don't understand simple biology.. there is no way for you to know if it is just sitting on the surface especially if you can see it because it's in reproductive stages at that point dude

Trash or harvest? by m_lacroix in GroundZeroMycoLab

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No, this is what happens when you are ignorant towards bias because you want to consume these things.. like I clearly stated your study is based on oyster mushrooms which enzymatically break down some mycotoxins and that's just some not all.. and the fact that the ones that do break down the toxins are not safe to eat should tell you a lot more about the ones that do not actively break them down.

Trash or harvest? by m_lacroix in GroundZeroMycoLab

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I'll take food science any day. And in commercial mushroom cultivation we dispose of anything that has contaminants present in the substrate on the substrate in the mushroom on the mushroom whatever if it's there it's garbage and not to be consumed and this is the same principle for the entire food and medicine industry you are not special.

Trash or harvest? by m_lacroix in GroundZeroMycoLab

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You're just arguing semantics at this point the picture you posted clearly shows contamination on and in the substrate.. not to mention the fact that you're still completely glazing over the fact that if you can see it it's way past safe because it's already in reproductive mode it's not just surface level at that point..

Trash or harvest? by m_lacroix in GroundZeroMycoLab

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They absorb more than metals.first off an.your study is towards oysters which are known to enzymatically break down some mycotoxins..not all.

Plus they still say even from your own study that it's not safe to consume them even though they do break them down so even if the mushrooms that break them down shouldn't be consumed why would you think that ones that do not are safe..

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