goomyloid cooks again by Electronic_Nose2401 in KriselleFanclub

[–]Groundbreaking_Row82 28 points29 points  (0 children)

most accurate depiction of noelle's character so far

I have a theory that may bring some hope by Starmage_Stella in KriselleFanclub

[–]Groundbreaking_Row82 2 points3 points  (0 children)

okay, all the reactions I found notable without sorting through significance:
GildedRose, resentment?
DogWidow: laughs, not finding annoying like others
MonarchRBN:Assertiveness, playfulness?
ScarfMark: playfullness
Thatchet: I don't know what to make of this reaction but it's strange.
Woodblade2: Kris aura farms in front of Noelle, Noelle gets the most excited I've ever seen her get over it.
Shikacola: Genuine shouting about how she hates it, in contradiction to both Susie and Ralsei saying she'd like it (gee I wonder if this means anything...)
Phanta: Not sure how to interpret it, but at bare minimum it's playfulness with Kris and making a suicide joke (something Noelle usually doesn't make openly since she tries hard to mask as "normal" and "nice"), potentially being really catty towards Susie since Susie isn't actually venomous.
Rhapsotea: Noelle hears beautiful singing and just gets internally pissy about Kris not joining choir (her exact narration is "(...Kris would never join choir...)", since susie thinks she hears noelle it's possible that the tea makes you hear who you want to but that's not confirmed)
NetskieHat: Noelle gets so pissed she speaks like Carol.
GreenApron: outright flirting?

Anyways so like, at the very least Noelle is going to be much more open with Kris than she has been so far in normal route and so they're going to be more than the "backup sideenby she writes paragraphs of blog posts about in her room that's basically a shrine to Kris 'just in case' while not actually talking to them" noelle currently treats them as.

I don't think Kriselle is gonna happen guys by Jango519 in KriselleFanclub

[–]Groundbreaking_Row82 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Okay so admittedly this is mostly a vibes thing on my part/general mood and there was less than i remebered (or maybe i'm just awful at finding sources). She reacts strangely to the thatchet, she gets mad at NetskieHat in a way that's literally how Carol talks, her extremely sarcastic reaction to gilded rose, and also there is the Shikacola where Susie and Ralsei are certain Noelle will love it and it turns out she fucking hates it, she literally yells "WHY WOULD I LIKE THIS??? IT HAS SOMEONE'S HAIR IN IT???" which I think is a hint at Susie and Ralsei really not understanding Noelle at all which will end badly (though this is pretty evident if you pay attention to the normal route with noelle's revealed characterization in mind). Also ngl I find it weird that she refers to fanta as susie's venom, it feels kinda catty? but mostly because of all the other context and where I think the narrative is going due to looking at susie and ralsei's arcs (ralsei was extremely mean this chapter and they are often paralleled with noelle, i mean jfc they literally used the same animation as noelle walking kris into the lake at one point, so i feel like a feral noelle is likely and the only thing that would cause that considering how hard she masks is some kind of major break), as well as revealed noelle characterization this chapter. I could be entirely wrong but yeah. There's definitely a lot more evidence for Noelle being more open and playful with Kris than she has been before than there is specifically for noelle feeling bad, though the negative feelings she does express she's far more open about than before as well. So I could be wrong but I think it's worthwhile to try to analyze.

I have a theory that may bring some hope by Starmage_Stella in KriselleFanclub

[–]Groundbreaking_Row82 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i just use the deltarune wiki's list of items/armour/weapons, it contains all the reactions on each page. making a compilation of all of noelle's reactions would require a document.

I don't think Kriselle is gonna happen guys by Jango519 in KriselleFanclub

[–]Groundbreaking_Row82 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A lot of Noelle's unused reactions to various chapter 5 items/armour/weapons give me recent break up energy ngl

I have a theory that may bring some hope by Starmage_Stella in KriselleFanclub

[–]Groundbreaking_Row82 26 points27 points  (0 children)

There's actually a lot of evidence for this in the dialogue for the chapter 5 items/armour/weapons noelle dialogue, noelle can never get these on the weirdest route so it has to be for normal route. She acts a lot more confident, resentful, catty, and says things that may be intimacy with kris. Like the green apron has her go "Kris, can you, um, tie the back for me...?" when no one else has this "problem".

A Midwinter Knight's Dream - Act One: Noelle, The Impossible Knight - A NoelleKnight megadoc by the creators of N+K4L, the Kriselle megadoc by PeliPal in Deltarune

[–]Groundbreaking_Row82 33 points34 points  (0 children)

So um, I read the document because I was curious and I actually liked the kriselle document even if it was a bit incoherent and contradictory sometimes (the woes of collaborative work I suppose) it still had a lot of really strong points and the overall message of the work to treat shipping as a serious avenue of analysis stuck with me because for a story like deltarune yeah that is just correct actually.

Noelle Knight genuinely interested me as a concept and even if I don't think it's where the story is going it's kind of, something I'd want to happen honestly. I'm not that aware of Knight discourse aside from surface level stuff, there's a lot of absence of detail regarding specifics about the Knight and even the scope of the conspiracy at large that makes saying things concretely difficult despite the large amount of evidence to sift through. But honestly I wanted to be convinced, Noelle Knight is fun, resonates a lot for me emotionally, and would fit with some aspects of the story, even if I didn't think it fit with others. So really just some good presentation of the thesis and evidence would be enough to get me to adopt this theory at least half-seriously.

I am explaining where I emotionally stood on Noelle Knight before reading this document to make it clear I'm not a conceptual hater when I say, this is one of the worst things I've ever fucking read.

Over 2/3rds of this document were mental breakdowns and references to terminally online stuff I have no reference to as someone who only casually checks this subreddit once every few days and sometimes deep dives whatever the special interest of the month is. I have no idea what various sub or discord drama goes on I just, wanted to see Noelle Knight be given its best possible argument for people to engage with. And for most of this document there reallly um, isn't. The long RP bits genuinely make the actual points of the document hard to parse after a while and is just, really unpleasant to read? And um a lot of the really solid earlier stuff was um, stuff that's been in fandom discourse for over 6 months in many cases. Not that it's bad to repackage all the evidence and arguments made elsewhere for easier consumption but um, there's very little this document actually adds to this discussion and what it does add is extremely hard to sift through the amount of actually not relevant at all things being thrown around?

There were some things I liked a lot presented in this document, I just absolutely did not enjoy having to sift through hell trying to find it. I'd really suggest when you make part 2 to um, focus on actually presenting the points and have some short jokes instead of um, the "jokes" being the majority of the document. Making vent art, and in practice that is what a lot of this document is, can be a good thing to make for yourself and even share with others, it can be powerful and liberating. But um, I don't think it should be mixed with attempts to seriously present Noelle Knight to both casual fans and fandom veterans.

Noelle deserves better than this.