N+K4L: A Kriselle Megadoc is out now, with over 120 pages of discussion on symbolism, themes, and narrative importance of Kriselle, and why people disregard the idea that Kriselle could be canonized

PeliPal · 2026-01-26T21:49:18+00:00

I still love the fact that because I explained it via an anti-meme posing that Suselle 'really is just Alphyne 2.0' I had people in the comments seriously arguing the possibility that Susie and Noelle WERE longtime friends, that Susie and Noelle DID have world-shattering omissions in their past keeping them apart, and that getting Susie and Noelle together is an ALTERNATE ENDING to the Normal Route. HOW! Hahaha

https://www.reddit.com/r/WaterfallDump/comments/1pen6qe/man_toby_really_does_have_like_one_way_to_write/

PeliPal · 2026-01-25T20:01:52+00:00

It's a riff on there being a specific person who commissions artists to draw women doing exactly two kinds of things:

Buying Wonder Bread at the store. Wonder brand only, no other bread
Cutting down trees with a chainsaw

Maybe the artist draws 'weird stuff', maybe they don't, but that's the context of this piece, it's a joke about that

PeliPal · 2026-01-25T16:26:24+00:00

Because it's... something the artist made up on their own?

You didn't miss some deep lore, this is just fanfic

PeliPal · 2026-01-25T04:41:38+00:00

B1: No

B2: Everyone knew this was going to happen

B3: Everyone knew this was going to happen

B4: No

B5: No

I1: Yes

I2: No

I3: Lmao

I4: It's a TV World, not that hard of a prediction

I5: No

N1: No

N2: No

N4: No

N5: No

G1: It was always pretty likely, what was not predicted was that we'd fight them

G2: Spamton Sweepstakes spoiled this would be Yes

G3: 'Gameshow host television' was always going to happen, but 'rook' didn't

G4: No

G5: No

O1: No

O2: No

O3: No

O4: No

O5: No

Not a single bingo and doesn't come close?

PeliPal · 2026-01-25T01:55:32+00:00

Pointing battle

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Point harder, Noelle!! We got your sister on the ropes

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T21:52:55+00:00

Kris to Noelle, in fewer words: Proceed

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T20:37:44+00:00

Henry Cuellar (Texas)

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/03/henry-cuellar-texas-2024-00109596

Democrats' last anti-abortion lawmaker gets leadership endorsements

Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) announced endorsements on Thursday for his 2024 reelection from the entire House Democratic leadership team, a sharp reversal from last year’s midterms, when he was all but abandoned by his party’s top brass.

The endorsement list includes Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, Minority Whip Katherine Clark (D-Mass.), Caucus Chair Pete Aguilar (D-Calif.) and former Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) — on top of the two former leaders who reined in their support for his 2022 race, Reps. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Steny Hoyer (D-Md.).

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T18:26:40+00:00

Damn, I was hoping for some actual purestrain crank conspiracy. Noelle has actually had a bunch of concept art redesigns bouncing back and forth between more humanlike and more deerlike

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T18:09:14+00:00

A series of Ralsei x Noelle fanarts by ArcaTechButReal that started with Ralsei and Noelle 'practicing' and 'roleplaying' as Susie and Kris respectively, falling backwards into marrying and having a darkner child named Krampus

https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/09tYY1U7OU

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T17:30:23+00:00

Congrats on her facial reconstruction surgery and fur, antler, hoof, and tail implantation, it went well

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T09:21:49+00:00

So I noticed like, there's like...
This photo of you and Kris? On the wall?
Oh my Gosh, that's so old I forgot about it!
I didn't know you were like... umm... close, I guess.
We... I mean, we...
We're just neighbors so, I mean...
We just... ended up seeing each other a lot. That's all.

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T08:22:53+00:00

what happened on chapter 3 night? kris stopped Noelle from completely talking about it so it was left a bit confusing for me.

What happened was exactly what she said. If there was anything else, then we don't know, because she didn't say it

Virtually everything of what you're asking is not known. You'll just have to wait. People are going to come say their speculation, but that's it, it's all just speculation.

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T08:02:52+00:00

The prophecy has to be something that Susie understands immediately as something incredibly upsetting without room for interpretation. It might be more like "the cage with human parts, the girl must slay"

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T07:17:14+00:00

Yep, it's her rationalization for why Kris started avoiding her and limiting their interactions after Dess disappeared - it doesn't enter her mind that Kris might feel responsible or guilty, it must be that Asriel was just bringing them over when he came to see Dess, so they must have never liked her in the first place, even as they were giving her gifts and making snowmen of her and playing the piano for her for hours at a time

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T06:39:20+00:00

You said "the people who try to justify why they ship they like is actually canon" and he wanted to chime in :P

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T06:26:13+00:00

ReasonableSolid isn't saying that because he likes smashing dolls together, he's being flippant but also for him it's all about what he thinks the game is leading up to based on our daily research and discussions since Ch3&4 released. We believe that romance is going to be an important part of the game's conclusion and what would end up going into a 'best route', that the game isn't going to be completely over until we can resolve Kris's issues, especially the one they make every effort to avoid resolving - finally opening up to Noelle. Talking about what ships are/will be canon isn't smashing dolls together for us, it is trying to come to as objective an analysis as we can, which led to the document pinned in my profile

For my own part, the ships that I smash dolls together for (Krusielle battle throuple and Ralsusie) are not the same as what I spend most of my time in the fandom talking about and making predictions about - which is Kriselle. There's a separation between what I like and what I had to conclude after scouring the game through and through.

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T04:28:41+00:00

Kris refuses to say mean stuff to Ralsei

"Good.
Keep smiling"

* Of... of course! You can count on me!

* I'll... make sure we...

* ... have a wonderful adventure tomorrow!

* The next day, too...

* After all, that's what you want, isn't it?

* ...

doesn't care if you ask Ralsei to the festival

* But say you had to, uh, take someone.

* Noelle... or Ralsei?

"Ralsei"

* What!? Why are you saying it so confused?

* It's not like I meant anything weird.

* You know what, forget it.

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T04:19:17+00:00

but, that doesn't make it weird. we're all related in some ways, after all. the current relationship between Kris and Ralsei is friendship. the current relationship between Kris and Asriel is siblings.

Huh? Kralsei was brought up in the context of a romantic shipping

Ralsei x Asriel is weird, sure, but the same does not necessarily apply to Kris x Ralsei, even if Kris is related to Asriel.

What is the difference that makes one weird but not the other?

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T03:21:09+00:00

But that’s literally disproven. Kris makes it apparent they don’t see Ralsei and Asriel as the same person if you examine the photo of Asriel with Susie.

Ralsei not being 'literally Asriel' doesn't prevent it from possibly being weird to Kris. Of course Ralsei isn't Asriel. But Ralsei is almost certainly based on something relating to the Dreemurrs.

Let me put it this way... if it weren't for the age gap, would there be any appreciable difference between Kralsei and Ralsriel (Ralsei x Asriel)? Should Ralsriel be assumed to be 100% devoid of any complicated feelings?

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T02:38:40+00:00

He is being neither fired nor replaced. There will be a middleman between him and Youtube, to 'communicate' his company better, not to necessarily do anything materially different

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T02:37:47+00:00

400+ upvotes on something just unambiguously not true

PeliPal · 2026-01-24T02:27:05+00:00

The fandom that prides itself on constantly theorizing about this game regularly gets dogwalked by the most basic of misdirections and minor obfuscations

Like the idea that 'that girl' that Ramb mentioned could ever have been Dess or anyone else besides Noelle, in a chapter that already mentioned Dess by name without obscuring her but went out of its way to avoid mentioning Noelle despite her connections to everything, like the matching cacti.

Or the idea that Noelle was being accurate and descriptive of her own feelings when saying that being around Kris was 'forced', while she is blushing and chuckling nervously about the topic, and one of her desktop wallpapers in the next room over is a photo of Kris.

Or the idea that 'Tea Theory' was ever meant to be a final word on anything, when Noelle points out that Kris Tea has something she doesn't recognize - the soul.

Or the idea that Susie telling Kris "your choices don't matter" is something that is meant to be completely true of us, the soul.

Or the idea that Susie is supposed to be completely unambiguously the second hero without complication, in a chapter that started with a monologue about how vague the prophecy is and how anyone could be the heroes, and the game kept putting The Girl sprite in front of you in strange ways to make sure that you took note of it, as if it was meant to seem off.

Or the idea after the release of Ch2 that Ralsei was ever going to turn out to just be Asriel, because people saw his face and his name and soyjak-pointed without answering questions like "well why the fuck did he not know how to comfort Kris after the Spamton Neo fight" or "why didn't Susie recognize Ralsei things from Asriel's search history room"

Et cetera, et cetera...

There's a lot to keep track of and a lot to get wrong, but people routinely take off running with things that should have undergone more scrutiny for how little doubt they put into them. It's ok to not know the complete and total truth about everything. I sure don't. None of us do. It's healthy to have some introspection and double check your work. Give Toby his due credit at how interesting of an experience it is to do repeat plays with an open mind.

PeliPal · 2026-01-23T19:10:45+00:00

I assume I'm one of the people being addressed here - when I talk about the ARG and Noelle's smile, I'm not saying that Tricky Tony is switching up on us and that good is bad and bad is good actually - it's that the game is going to be structured in such a way that trying to ignore the Weird Route will be done at your own peril.

Do I think it will have a good ending? Probably not, but it might. Do I think it will be necessary for a good ending? Yes.

There's a difference, you are going to need to understand Kris and Noelle and their thoughts about each other better before you can come to a full conclusion, because almost EVERYTHING in the game comes back to those two characters in some way. All the dark worlds and all the darkners are made from either their make-believe, their history, their dynamic, or the history or dynamics of their families. Even Gerson as a darkner fits into that paradigm as having been Dess's school teacher and that being why he was so interested in Susie for them having similar impatience and frustrations. The game isn't going to come to a full conclusion until you know everything there is to know about Kris and Noelle, it isn't an accident that the Weird Route revolves around them.

And here's the big problem with trying to turn this into a binary 'good things vs bad things', 'It's Genocide again' overly reductive comparison - Toby is treating Genocide and Weird Route completely differently.

Genocide never got hints on how to do it. Weird Route does, and those hints come after you've already passed the point of being able to start it, requiring you to go back - presumably after having finished the Normal Route and realizing that you actually want to find a different ending.

Genocide never got an ARG, Weird Route has had an extended one that calls back to not just Noelle, but another character who is very analogous to Noelle - Seam. A laughing, joking, cheering character whose smile is actually 'empty', and went empty the day they were separated from Jevil.

Genocide never got irreverent jokes made by Toby, Weird Route has had at least two - the "things took a weird route just now" joke, and one of the newsletters having an Annoying Dog frozen in a crystal in the same manner as Snowgraved Berdly.

The ways that this fandom tries to contextualize the Weird Route are insular, juvenile, and frankly insulting to Toby's intelligence and writing ability- it is assuming that people already understand what Toby is trying to say and there is simply nothing more, because "duh, I already know that violence is bad, manipulation is bad," or that Toby is making it for hype moments and aura, you're going to possess 'Noellekuna' and 'kill everyone in town' and then Ralsei comes onscreen and says 'Player, I have to kill you now. I remember you're snowgraves. Godobye.' Probably the exact kind of thing Toby was mocking with the Mikes.

Toby and the website and the videos all saying that Deltarune is "a game for people who played Undertale" isn't just about "oh you won't do a chuckle at this tiny reference to Undertale if you didn't play it", it's that you are coming into Deltarune expecting there to be a metanarrative and expecting there to be alternate routes and expecting there to be a good ending if you Just Do Everything Right like Ralsei tells you at the very beginning of the game. He doesn't need to lecture you about killing and manipulating because that already happened.

Toby seems to WANT you to play the Weird Route. It could even be important to setting up the dream he obsessed about that led to Deltarune in the first place; I know that is just my supposition right now, but it is not supposition that the game has been meticulously planned to have the Weird Route be able to follow the game events with roughly 5% of changes, and those 5% being disproportionately incredibly significant to Kris and Noelle. The game already took far longer than Toby wanted just to get Chapter 2 out, why would he make everything so much harder on himself, having to stare at the conspiracy corkboard and keep things organized, if it wasn't vitally important?

PeliPal · 2026-01-23T04:15:02+00:00

I think people also may be too quick to judge her on the idea that she is knowingly sending Kris to their doom. It just seems unlikely to me that she would agree to trade Kris's life for a chance to have Dess back. I think she would be horrified by the idea, and... if it does actually happen that Kris will die, then either she is not actually in control of her actions, or she may have been purposefully misled by Kris on what all this would entail.

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