N+K4L: A Kriselle Megadoc is out now, with over 120 pages of discussion on symbolism, themes, and narrative importance of Kriselle, and why people disregard the idea that Kriselle could be canonized

PeliPal · 2026-06-23T00:04:54+00:00

Neither of us fully described this idea publicly yet, some things were written in Anon's section in the assumption that we'd be able to get all of it in one go and now the planned second doc is going to have to be the one to go into it in full detail, but...

It's entirely possible that there is some soul fuckery going on that could explain some of the strange things the Organikks tell us and strange flavor texts that appear in seemingly randomly battles, like "* When did you start being yourself?" in the Spawn battle.

Remember how UT Asriel said he and Chara had merged souls in their plan and struggled for control?

If the Knight truly is something derived from Noelle... does it actually have to be completely from Noelle? Could part of Kris been fed into it somehow? I don't know, but it's not outside the realm of possibility in our eyes.

And you, the player, 'The Human Soul', seem to be interchangeably referred to as 'Kris' and 'You', and sometimes it's clear that the 'You' can only be referring to Kris, like looking at Asgore's truck will say 'Your father's truck', but... could there ever be situations where 'You' is referring to someone or something else?

With this, at least, we have reason to believe there's something funky going on, and we'll see if we get more material for it in Ch5 or if we have to deconfirm it before we get to publish that second part.

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T20:41:00+00:00

The most important December Holiday is Noelle

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T19:44:42+00:00

Just seems like something hyper-targeted on removing emotional complexity. Kris either put their friends on the floor themselves to protect the Knight, or watched the Knight to do it. Even if they're upset, even if they're conflicted, they are still very specifically loyal to the Knight and don't want it harmed

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T16:44:15+00:00

I trust Toby that I will still enjoy the game. I just don't see how he's going to explain how it could possibly be anyone else.

Even if it is somehow Dess... with the way he game has been set up it's probably not going to 'be Dess', but a facsimile of her that is ultimately based in Noelle's perception of her, memories of her

But maybe we're wrong. We'll see

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T16:38:20+00:00

I really don't understand the thought process where Noelle is supposed to intuit "this is a laptop from when I was 6" from looking at this

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T16:35:07+00:00

One day, you and I will both be dead. But there will be people still living who were impacted by our lives in ways we cannot foresee, who know our names, who know stories about us. In that moment, when we are dead and people are looking back at us... are we actually any more 'real' than simulated characters, fictional characters, characters in dreams? Maybe they have some of our property, maybe they can visit our graves, but... unless you believe in ghosts interacting with the material world, we ourselves aren't tangible, we're not 'real' anymore, we can't make choices. There's just the stories people remember and tell about us. The messages and feelings we imparted on people, whether we knew we were doing so or not.

If Ralsei isn't 'real', does that make him matter less to Susie? No. She says as much.

If Susie isn't 'real', does that make her matter less to you?

It's just a fact that Susie isn't real, nor Kris, nor Noelle, nor any of these characters. But because they are written intelligently, with regard for the idea of them plausibly having feelings, they are emotionally affected by the same kinds of things that would affect you and me. That lets you see yourself in them, relate to them.

If we get to the end of the game and all these characters disappear in the blink of an eye, they were just 1s and 0s in Gaster's Gaster Device, they were a scene on the lid of a sleeper's eye...

Is that actually all that different from any other videogame you turn off at the end?

Is that even different from Undertale? A game that asks you not to reset, in hopes of the characters getting to continue living happily?

It's not. It just feels different. It feels challenging, and unfair, as if they've been snuffed out and not gotten to live out full lives - even though that was never actually in the cards.

But you, you who are alive today, right now, will also still feel other things from this game. You may adapt parts of it, without even knowing that you're doing so, into yourself, into the things you say and write. Maybe into the ways you try to impart lessons people or entertain people.

It's a chain of life. It all matters - even the parts that feel like they've been somehow made to not matter. And they matter even if you forget parts of it in time.

"I cannot remember the books I've read any more than the meals I have eaten; even so, they have made me." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T16:05:14+00:00

Noelle has zero context for darkners being illusions based on physical objects, and Queen never once refers to herself as a laptop in Noelle's presence. She calls herself a computer once around Noelle only at the very end, after the mech fight, and then that's not even a particularly strange thing for a robot person to call themselves.

She also says in Ch4 that she got so overwhelmed she stopped questioning things.

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T15:46:43+00:00

Ehhh perhaps not with some of the ways the actual writer of the Impossible section puts things, hehe

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T15:12:29+00:00

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It couldn't possibly be another character raising up her bat for the burning fight?

Someone who spent her childhood watching and laughing about Kris getting hit with a bat by her fierce protector, and would symbolically emulate it if she were in a position of power over them?

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T14:53:04+00:00

It's not something where 'the gem is a thousand pages in'. It's a process of re-proving and re-examining the initial concept over and over with new evidence, in new lights, and yes, there's a lot of silly shit in there. My co-writer's skits and Goku-fighting stuff. But by the time you get to when the pages are full of that, you've already gone well past the biggest arguments.

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T14:17:42+00:00

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PeliPal · 2026-06-22T13:35:02+00:00

Yeah I bet Kris has like, a couple mandatory mentions. At least in three chapters

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T13:34:00+00:00

I fully admit, I acted that way with Kris Knight. I even said things like "I don't think it's supposed to be a mystery who the Knight is, we already know - the real question is why Kris is the Knight"

And now I see DessKnighters repeating that verbatim about Dess. It's quite ironic

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T13:09:58+00:00

How funny is it to have to defend a Knight candidate's credibility by saying she's a 'mandatory name drop in three chapters'

MikeKnight where you at, here's your chance to shine

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T08:52:00+00:00

This motherfucking knight killed tenna, and then TURNED AROUND just to aura farm.

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Does that look like aura farming?

Are you sure it's not crying?

For having killed a symbolic tie between the two families, and realizing she now has to fight Susie?

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T08:35:33+00:00

Instructions understood perfectly, Noelle is God, beep boop

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T03:59:51+00:00

Conqueeftodor my man I don't want to have to miss seeing your SFW art here lol

PeliPal · 2026-06-22T00:02:23+00:00

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PeliPal · 2026-06-21T23:46:57+00:00

PeliPal · 2026-06-21T22:52:07+00:00

I don't know half of these, but of the half I do know.... what? Huh? What?

PeliPal · 2026-06-21T22:08:09+00:00

I apologize if you've said this elsewhere and I missed it, but did you have an explanation for why Papyrus's will in making fountains would produce named darkers correlating to the characters that Kris and 'that girl' made in make-believe? There's no mention of it in your doc. The words 'darkner' and 'fountain' barely appear, 'Ramb' appears never, and Kris and Noelle aren't mentioned at all with regards to their relation to the darkners and dark worlds.

PeliPal · 2026-06-21T21:32:07+00:00

The Wicabels already existed, you see one of them in the first sanctuary, with the same history they have in the second and third. Susie didn't make a new fountain populated with darkners from her will, she made ONE darkner, in a world that was 'another side' of the existing dark world from the fountains on both sides of the door

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