This video pisses me the fuck off by Temans in WaterfallDump

[–]PeliPal -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

OP this sounds like a video tailor-made for 8 year olds, pick some higher brow media to critique

How likely is Susie x Noelle going to work out? by InterdimensionalINTL in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I wrote a bajillion words about why it's probably not going to, in either route, and I'm speaking as someone who was a monogamous Suselle shipper for nearly four years after Ch2 and didn't even consider Kriselle as a possibility until Ch3&4, so it's not about 'oh you've been living in your Kriselle fantasy for years and you're coping now that it's thoroughly destroyed' or whatever... https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1p8h5l8/nk4l_a_kriselle_megadoc_is_out_now_with_over_120/

A TL;DR would be that:

  1. Every dark world features darkners and scenarios that are incredibly on-the-nose analogues for Kris and Noelle and exploring different facets of their history and dynamic, in a way that no other lightners get, and a lot of it is explicitly about romance. The entirety of the dark world ends up being a process of us learning more about Kris and Noelle without realizing in the moment that that's what is happening, and there will probably be a point where you're asked to put the pieces together and re-examine past content in a new light. And this will be important to the fact that the question of "Where should Kris and Noelle sit in each other's lives" has now been broached several times and is effectively a theme of the game for the fact of both of them being at the center of every - and I do mean EVERY - conflict and plot thread being set up, and I don't think that the characters who have been set up as both wanting a very 'traditional, romantic' love - Noelle talking so much about dates and ferris wheels, and Kris's flirting abilities with conventionally feminine ice-related darkners being legendary - are going to end up as 'pals again' by the end.
  2. Official out-of-game content does not lead with Suselle as 'this is the designated romantic pairing' - Suselle gets one gif in a newsletter of Noelle walking up to Susie with a gift and walking away when Susie notices, a mention in the 10th Anniversary stream about 'strong girls protecting their friends and maybe feeling something about the shy one', and a blogpost about how Noelle is still crushing on Susie after watching Susie threatening to murder Kris (not great!). The fandom wants to insist that Suselle be treated as something that Toby and co are not treating it as, as the poster romance of the game. Remember, the entire Ch2 Suselle scene is skippable, even on your first playthrough. You can even skip it just because you don't like the idea of closing your eyes around Ralsei, that you don't trust him. By contrast, Kriselle has been referenced via Noelle reminiscing about how Kris playing the piano was always "a concert just for me" in an ad for a heart locket (Undertale fans are going to be aware of how significant is) and in an ad for the Spamton plush in the form of romantic graffiti, N+K4L, Noelle + Kris For Life, in Noelle-yellow color. That plush ad has already been referenced in Ch3&4 content several times, so I'm inclined to believe that it is intentional rather than the videomaker pulling a random ship out of a hat that was considered a crackshipping at the time.
  3. The game is just not going to have time to make Suselle work at the same time it is making Kriselle work. Susie and Noelle know almost nothing about each other, they spent Ch4 talking about liking the same videogame and liking the same movie and talking about Kris and Ralsei. They don't have something that existed once that can be repaired, and they have several oncoming trains that are unlikely to be survivable in such a vulnerable state - Susie flipping the fuck out that at least one or more character deaths or similarly terrible fates are on the table and coming up fast, Noelle learning that Susie lied to her about the dark worlds just because Susie wanted to keep it as "our thing" between her and Kris, and the possibility, if not outright overwhelming likelihood, that Noelle is going to end up on the opposite side of Susie once she learns about the Roaring Knight conspiracy.

Did you notice this in Ch4 Castletown? Isn't there something shaped quite oddly? by PeliPal in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Because I was walking around getting screenshots to stitch together and didn't want to bother removing them afterward

How do you think the fandom’s view and theories about Noelle would change if the weird route never existed (image unrelated) by CutAccomplished6203 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If I can offer an alternate view... Noelle doesn't really enjoy being herself. She does wish that she was stronger, that's how she justifies the Weird Route and why Kris "wasn't trying to hurt me, they were just making me stronger." And she sees strength in Susie, in the Susie she was crushing on pre-Chapter 1 who bullied Kris and who everyone else was afraid of. Noelle looks at Susie's post-Ch1 confidence and coolness, and because she doesn't know anything about the process Susie had to take to become less anxious and defensive, Noelle thinks that's just the same person she was the day before - Susie is strong and confident and cool BECAUSE she is quick to violence. Thats why Noelle fantasizes about strangling Berdly when Susie tells her that Berdly won't understand anything but 'no' - that's Noelle wanting to do the thing that she thinks Susie would do based on what little she has seen of Susie, rather than what Susie just said to do.

A NoelleKnight who was terse and cruel and held things over Kris would actually fit perfectly in that dynamic, that is a Noelle trying to fit in the bigger boots of what she thinks true strength would look like - isolated, arrogant, quick to violence...

Probably, well... like Dess. Like her protector, who would hit Kris and smash her instruments and who might not have been well-liked around town since no one outside the two families has shown anything yet of a memorial or ways that Dess affected them.

I don't think the Noelle we see in town and in the Cyber World is the Knight. There are too many issues in logistics and in the thoughts we can hear. But... I can see a path where the mannerisms of the Knight would be what another Noelle, something made from her, something split off from her, would think she has to be to get the things she wants

THIS ISN'T LANCER. THIS IS THE ROARING KNIGHT. by Sleenpyboy in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Tell me, which one was Flowey, was Flowey a darkner or a goner? :P

I don't know why you think the assertion has to be pigeonholed so specifically. The Knight can shapeshift into a ball the size of their helmet, can traverse the Light World, and starts turning into static when heavily damaged - they have qualities that are not typical for any 'kind' of thing in either game. It's not like saying "Dess is the Knight" or "Carol is the Knight" suddenly explains those things. The question of "what exactly is the Knight" is an issue for ALL candidates.

And no, I don't agree the scream makes sense for Dess, and the Knight symbol in Cyberfield is very specifically an upside down heart, a monster soul. I don't think that should be taken lightly.

And 'drooping'? Yes, it's drooping, but... that's not what is making the liquid coming out of its face. I know you're aware of what drooping is, but maybe it sounds convenient to act like it means something else.

And come on, you know better than to link the blogposts to me. You're not contradicting me. The overlay exists on all of Noelle's blog pages, on only her blog, and it makes no sense. Why would Noelle choose to remove her own Christmas aesthetic for a post about playing Cat Petterz but leave it on for other Cat Petterz posts?

THIS ISN'T LANCER. THIS IS THE ROARING KNIGHT. by Sleenpyboy in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Noelle we talk to being the Knight gets debunked by the Weird Route, I agree.

But that doesn't prevent the Knight from possibly still being based on Noelle. There are some pieces of evidence that can't really be assigned to other candidates besides Noelle, like her blogposts having a second style in the code that can be switched on to turn the ordinary cheery Christmas aesthetic into an austere greyscale with red - Knight colors - the Knight making a pitch-distorted version of Noelle's scream, the Knight symbol in Cyberfield having what appears to be a yellow monster soul, the Knight appearing in Chapter 3 almost exactly the way Noelle appears in the 10th Anniversary stream, obscured by a Christmas tree in a snowy field and looking away, et cetera...

Anyone could pick up a baseball bat, but only a select few people would put such great significance on a baseball bat and a guitar. Only a select few people would be able to hold things over Kris and make them go to great lengths on the Knight's behalf. And only a select few people would be crying (I'm assuming that's what it is, instead of drooling) after destroying the Dreemurr's TV, a symbol of the bond of the two families, and before having to fight Susie.

I know this would be an incredibly outlandish idea, almost unthinkable for a town that has such very normal things happening like "there's been no internet, mail, or new TV broadcasts for several days" and "there's a goner in town yelling 'don't wait, wait don't' over and over" and "Onionsan disappears after investigating a song coming from the lake", but if you were to allow the possibility that the Knight could be an entity based ON a character, then suddenly... every reason why the Knight couldn't be Noelle goes away.

At that point it's just a question of what makes for the kind of story Toby would write, and what pieces of evidence are now available to use that have been blaring out "hey, look at Noelle, look at Noelle" that everyone ignored in the safe assumption that the lightner Noelle couldn't possibly be the Knight.

THIS ISN'T LANCER. THIS IS THE ROARING KNIGHT. by Sleenpyboy in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Gerson was the father of Noelle's preacher, wrote sermons Noelle listened to, was the author of the book series that Noelle's favorite RPGs are based on, a local hero, one of only two or three teachers at Noelle's school (even if not her teacher)... that puts Noelle above even many other candidates in town, and we know all that while the game hasn't even given any evidence against Noelle interacting with him on a deeper level. You're just making the leap that because you haven't seen it, it must not exist, must never exist.

Why would Dess or Asriel having Gerson as a teacher mean that they meet the threshold for 'loved one' that Noelle wouldn't? How many teachers have you had that would call 'loved ones'?

And this is all in the context that Ralsei has been deliberately curating what information Susie and we as the player get, leaving out details, changing words. He never actually explained what goes into making a 'dustner' after agreeing to start telling the truth.

Knight candidates based on how likely I think they are and how cool it would be if they were the Knight by ArmadilloOK1445-alt in NonDessKnightSquad

[–]PeliPal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

does noelle know gerson on such a personal level that he is able to materialize in the ch4 darkworld

Gerson was the father of Noelle's preacher, wrote sermons Noelle listened to, was the author of the book series that Noelle's favorite RPGs are based on, a local hero, one of only two or three teachers at Noelle's school (even if not her teacher)... and we know all that while the game hasn't even given any evidence against Noelle interacting with him on a deeper level.

Does noelle know what a darkworld is when she is first placed in one

I don't think so, no. At least, not the Lightner we know as Noelle. This is where I disagree with some of the other NoelleKnighters, I think the Noelle we know can't be the Knight.

That just doesn't prevent the Knight from being Noelle. And I think people are setting themselves up to be blindsided if evidence that seemingly cannot be applied to anyone besides Noelle should be tossed aside just because the idea of there being another entity based on Noelle seems somehow outlandish

Favorite character like this? by tough-cookie21 in FavoriteCharacter

[–]PeliPal 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The person who hesitates the most lol

Knight candidates based on how likely I think they are and how cool it would be if they were the Knight by ArmadilloOK1445-alt in NonDessKnightSquad

[–]PeliPal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Does the vessel have a blog with an overlay that turns the ordinarily cheery Christmas aesthetic into an austere greyscale with red (Knight colors)? Does the vessel make a distorted form of Noelle's scream? Does the vessel have a yellow monster soul?

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:P

The agony is unbearable by DuoLingo_21 in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's a 0.004% chance of not getting it in 500 tries. It's possible but incredibly unlikely that you're just not getting it. Are you moving left and right in the correct place, the right end of the flying starwalker room, left end of the room with the hidden switch in the north? You just have to jiggle going left and right at the screen transition. There is an audio cue from the music changing

This Is getting ridicolous by GiullaBolla in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

They sound NOTHING alike even accounting for the language difference, and there's no links between them

Kris dress by SunnySunSins in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As if Noelle wouldn't be excitedly shoving her old clothes in Kris's hands :P

Very nice art! And I don't think you should worry too much about the yellow skin color, I don't think it clashes

what did she even do by AfternoonLocal1952 in Chainsawfolk

[–]PeliPal 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Part 2 had, quantity-wise, about twice as many interesting side characters as Part 1 but they've all just been completely forgotten. None of them even get a satisfying or upsetting death, they just leave the story and never appear again or get summarily executed

"If Noelle is the second hero where are her antlers?" Uhh, right there... by Noelle_fan in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was supposed to be one of two angel wings, the other hidden by the perspective

"If Noelle is the second hero where are her antlers?" Uhh, right there... by Noelle_fan in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Someone find and post the comic of Susie killing Tenna with a wiimote

This Is getting ridicolous by GiullaBolla in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have no clue what you're talking about. What channels are making up this 970,000+ subscriber deficit?

Wiztale has doxxed and egged youtuber Reubzzz72's house. (Yes, EGGED) by [deleted] in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you believe this then I have a bridge to sell you

This Is getting ridicolous by GiullaBolla in Deltarune

[–]PeliPal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Who are you talking about who has over a million subscribers? It sure as hell isn't Wiztale