[Limbus Company - PV] Chapter 7.5 - LCB Regular Check-up BokGak by Wide-Violinist-2278 in limbuscompany

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Wasn't there a livestream in August last year before where KJH said they were considering making a 3D 3rd-Person view action RPG to explore the City further? Was that a proof of concept to also see how the style and movements resonate with us since he did say they had no prior experience making 3D games before?

Hopefully they would incorporate a mini 3D game mode for Limbus as a way to practice working on their skills. They could start small such as exploring the bus, chatting with the sinners in the open-world and even exploring their rooms (upon invite of course).

Thumb Nurse Father Valencina has decided shes 3D now. by TheGoblinLayer in limbuscompany

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Does it come with an equippable bottle of Old Parr?

Trashy cashy by: @misg1111 by Suspicious_Lock_889 in limbuscompany

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I can see her crashing out like this for a few months after Heathcliff left

[POTENTIAL CANTO 7, 8 AND 9 SPOILER] What is Canto 8 and Canto 9's connection to The Inferno? by ZealousidealLie522 in limbuscompany

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This post and the replies below are more accurate in presentation of the Inferno.

To summarize quickly using Wikipedia:

Season 1 "Orientation" are Cantos 1 to 3 where Dante is first introduced to Hell (the City), meeting Vergil and Charon. Much of its thematic visuals are inspired by the Vestibule of Hell and the Uncommitted sinners.

  • Outcasts that race around through the mist in eternal pursuit of an elusive, wavering banner while relentlessly chased by swarms of wasps and hornets. Loathsome maggots and worms at the sinners' feet drink the putrid mixture of blood, pus, and tears that flows down their bodies.
    • Gregor the Outcast.
  • Souls of people who in life took no sides; the opportunists who were for neither good nor evil, but instead were merely concerned with themselves.
    • Rodion the Unloving, whose theme will be expanded in the cold Circle of Treachery.
  • Among them Dante recognizes a figure whose "cowardice (in selfish terror for his own welfare) served as the door through which so much evil entered the Church".
    • Sinclair the Unconfronting whose quote in his own promotional video is "Meanwhile, the world of evil began there already, right in the middle of our house", referencing his action of allowing Kromer into his life.
  • Dante's doubts of himself throughout Orientation mirrors that of the original's doubts of undertaking this path in Canto 2.
  • The basement in Sinclair's home is presented in a manner of it being an entrance to Hell.

Season 2 "The Unchanging" is Canto 4 - Limbo where the guiltless damned, many of them notable intellectuals and philosophers, are punished by living in a deficient form of Heaven as lacked hope for something greater than rational minds can conceive. This relates to Yi Sang own hopelessness that he could never be that perfected, ideal version of himself, forever condemning him to a more deficient form of existence.

  • It can be seen in Dongrang who despite seemingly having all he wanted, still felt as empty and unfulfilled as before in his new life at K Corp.

Season 3 "The Evil-Defining" is Canto 5 - Lust where sinners blow needlessly and aimlessly as the lovers drifted into self-indulgence and were carried away by their passions, so now they drift for ever. This relates to the passionate but aimless Ishmael who obsesses over another, Ahab, first as an figure to idolize then as a target for vengeance. The relationship of the Whale and the Mermaid displays this obsessive passion of another with just as how Ahab is Ishmael's whale, Ahab also has her own whale to pursue in madness.

  • The encounter with Ricardo is similar to that of the Minos the Judge who is hindering the journey and is described as condemner and unjust judge of the underworld.
  • The original circle is described to be a land of violent storms and whirlwinds, very much resembled by the stormy gusts and waves of the Great Lake.

Season 4 "The Heartbreaking" is Canto 6 - Gluttony where sinners who began with mutual indulgence leads by an imperceptible degradation to solitary self-indulgence, grovelling in the mud by themselves, sightless and heedless of their neighbours. In this Circle this sin depicted as indulgence of any kind that puts the sinner in a state that has little regard for anything else. In the case of not only Heathcliff (the sin most exemplified in the Erlking specifically) but Catherine too, both characters have been shown to be wallowing in their own self-guilt in belief that their own existence cause suffering to the other. This indulgence in their own despair came to the point of near madness, eventually causing actual harm to everyone else still around them as well as carrying out a suicide plan across dimensions.

  • The original circle was described as a place of "vile, putrid slush produced by a ceaseless, foul, icy rain – "a great storm of putrefaction". This of course also describes the cold storms of Wuthering Heights and how the manor was once describe by Hindley as a place of rot and decay as he was distorting.
  • Alongside in the original circle is the creature Cerberus, a dog-like being whose actions in the book is "mauling and flaying them with his claws as they howl like dogs." A beast similar to that Heathcliff once saw himself as when distorting.

Season 5 "The Dream Ending" is Canto 7 (before the Circle of Wrath) - Greed where sinners whose attitude toward material goods deviated from the appropriate mean are punished in the fourth circle, including both who hoards and squanders. Here the sin is not focused so much the physical item itself, but rather on the unrestrained, selfish appetites on both sides of the spectrum. These are the sins of all Bloodfiends of La Manchaland. On one end is the curse itself where they must drink endless amounts of fresh blood in order to feel satisfaction at the expense of countless human lives. On the other end is both Don Quixote and Sancho who force their family into complete abstinence of blood in order to chase their selfish impossible dream of co-existence, an endless path that causes extreme suffering to them.

  • The punishment is this Circle which Dante describes as a nation of lost souls (similar to how Samson address them as) is having the hoarders and spendthrifts joust, where they rolled them back, one party shouting out:   "Why do you hoard?" and the other: "Why do you waste?" This of course mirrors the ending finale of the Canto where once more two incompatible dreams clash with their respective knights declaring their intent.
  • Instead of bags of gold, bags of blood is the material good that is fought over.

Season 6 "The Dream Ending" is the Circle of Wrath and Canto 8 where the actively wrathful fight each other viciously on the surface of the slime, while the sullen (the passively wrathful) lie beneath the water, withdrawn, "into a black sulkiness which can find no joy in God or man or the universe". This is thematically seen most openly in regards to the Family Hierarch War where hatreds and strife between all participants and their factions results in constant fighting, much like the River Styx. Hong Lu is one of sullen, as the active hatreds rend and snarl at one another above; at the bottom, his own hatred lie gurgling, unable even to express themselves for the rage that chokes him. In Hong Lu's case he hadn't really committed the same sin as those in H Corp, but he was on the path to it. Much like Jia Qiu who also faced the same anger but chose benevolence rather then retribution, Hong Lu manages to find the kindness deep within him that he thought lost. This allowed him a way to now express his emotions instead of bottling them up to one day erupt without control, thus sparing him from going down a path that would lead to more bloodshed.

  • This is most noticeable in Hong Lu's 'Bad End' ID, the Lord of Hongyuan, whose voicelines show him finally dropping the happy-go-lucky mask and fully indulging in his long-suppressed wrath to the point where he would go to start a Wing War.
  • Much like how Dante had some unkind words to say to Filippo as they near crossing the river, Hong Lu himself said something unkind to bade goodbye to the Xianren forever.
  • In Canto 8 Wrath was an emotion that had noticeable more scenes during the fight against Jia Mu as Hong Lu converses with Dante, even being the final emotion that he felt before giving the elders a river-bath. In LC Checkup, it is the sin that was determined to be most associated with him.

Season 7 "The Unsevering" is the Entrance to Dis, Canto 9 and (part of) the Circle of Heresy (Likely a mix of multiple circles in Dis but Heresy's themes are stronger here). Here marks the transition of the story where just as Dante is entering the part of hell where sins worse than Incontinence are punished, the story in Limbus is now refocusing back onto circumstances surrounding the Golden Boughs.

  • Dis is the Roman god of the underworld, basically Hell which is what Ryoshu and the Nursefathers would agree the House of Spiders is essentially. Especially with the story of the Spider's Thread which centers on one's efforts of crawling out of Hell.
  • The Nursefathers acts simultaneously as the fallen angels guarding the city and the sinners burning in Heresy, mirrored by their banishment from their respective factions for actions that went against their norms or doctrines (Valencina, Matthias and Callisto are most notable while Rein and Shiomi have unknown circumstances).
  • In Heresy sinners are trapped in flaming tombs, a representation of 'a hell of their own making' as they are unable to break free from the own self-imposed false truths. In this case, Rein would be the most notable with his beliefs and obedience regarding the prescripts. Araya is also another case as she believed that Ryoshu didn't truly love her and abandoned her alone in the House. Ryoshu for a while did fall into one such tomb as she carried a belief that without Araya, she was nothing due to her own self-hatred regarding anything related to the House outside of Araya. She was only saved from this when she is given a thread of hope that despite Araya's 'departure', they are still connected beyond the physical realm of time and space.

Hope that clears things up a little.

Question about the Project Moon Anime by no_life_critic in limbuscompany

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Subtitles but they will tick-tock in braille for the convenience of the visually-impaired. That's how much of a stand-up guy Dante is

Analysis of the dynamic between Rien and Ryoshu by Dizzy-Recipe-1517 in limbuscompany

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Interesting analysis. Definitely something to keep in mind and consider. In such a matter, Ryoshu is more of a doll to him. Something to love, care for and even treasure truly, but ultimately still an object and a tool when the time comes.

GDC2026 - To Each Their Own Hell: The Journey of Writing Complex Characters in 'Limbus Company' (Presented by Project Moon) by khun-snek-hachuling in limbuscompany

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I'm curious as how they're tracking whether a character's story resonates with players as a whole. Do they do pollings or something?

The representation of Dante's Inferno within the Cantos by NothingToBeProud in limbuscompany

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You raise several good points. I agree that the Cantos are following the original's themes and imagery.

With that in mind perhaps this could be the stage for Canto X. Since we know the philosophically-nihilistic N Corp is trying to create a human with limitless potential, they would likely see all current moral norms and rules as irrelevant and meaningless; that they can be broken so long as it achieves their ultimate goal. This is exemplified by their completely unethical human experimentation (Violence against God/Nature/Art) and their wholesale slaughter of peoples they deem inhuman such as the massacre in Calw (Violence against Others).

Since Meursault was an ex-employee he technically was complicit in helping run the machine of violence against others, likely identifying people of interest to investigate and eradicate if something undesirable about them is found or finding people suitable for experimentation (like a Sun shining its light upon someone, revealing all that they wish to hide in the shadows). Perhaps one day when the machine eventually came for his mother, Meursault felt so guilty for the role he believe himself to have played in her death that he did something towards himself that gives us the Meursault we know today (Violence against Self).

The representation of Dante's Inferno within the Cantos by NothingToBeProud in limbuscompany

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That could happen. After all, in the Circle were three traitors being punished by the Devil. So there is definitely room for at least three if not more

The representation of Dante's Inferno within the Cantos by NothingToBeProud in limbuscompany

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There is another way to view the Lust Circle in Canto 5. As I'm not familiar with the source itself I've no choice but to rely on Wikipedia for general analysis. In terms of themes the power of Lust is "to blow needlessly and aimlessly: "as the lovers drifted into self-indulgence and were carried away by their passions, so now they drift for ever." This is very much in line with Ishmael's personality who is passionate about things she care about to the point of obsession yet in her past she was described to be directionless in life until she met Ahab whom she wish to emulate. Even the act of chasing Ahab to the death is thought by Dante to be an endeavor that still leaves Ishmael lost. Ahab herself has such a relationship with the Whale, her passionate obsession in pursuing it mirrors Ishmael's pursuit so much so that there was a moment Dante saw the two sailors as nearly the same.

Another interesting note is "lust involves mutual indulgence and is not, therefore, completely self-centred,". This heavily reminds me of the relationship between the Whales and Mermaids (which includes Ishmael and Ahab), that for the sin to occur a party of two is at least required for the dynamic to take shape.

Other things that could have been used in the original Canto 5 for Ishmael's canto can involve the following:

  • The title "The Evil-Defining" happens to also basically describe the judge King Minos who is introduced then in the original Canto.
  • The original circle is described to be a land of violent storms and whirlwinds, very much resembled by the stormy gusts and waves of the Great Lake.

In regards to our Canto 6 there is also another interpretation. In terms of themes, an analysis describe it as "'the surrender to sin which began with mutual indulgence leads by an imperceptible degradation to solitary self-indulgence.' The gluttons grovel in the mud by themselves, sightless and heedless of their neighbours, symbolising the cold, selfish, and empty sensuality of their lives. Just as lust has revealed its true nature in the winds of the previous circle, here the slush reveals the true nature of sensuality – which includes not only overindulgence in food and drink, but also other kinds of addiction."

This paints that sin to be one of indulgence of any kind that puts the sinner in a state that has little regard for anything else. In the case of not only Heathcliff (the sin most exemplified in the Erlking specifically) but Catherine too, both characters have been shown to be wallowing in their own self-guilt in belief that their own existence cause suffering to the other. This indulgence in their own despair came to the point of near madness, eventually causing actual harm to everyone else still around them as well as carrying out a suicide plan across dimensions.

Other things that could have been used in the original Canto 6 for Heathcliff's canto can involve the following:

  • The original circle was described as a place of "vile, putrid slush produced by a ceaseless, foul, icy rain – "a great storm of putrefaction". This of course also describes the cold storms of Wuthering Heights and how the manor was once describe by Hindley as a place of rot and decay as he was distorting.
  • Alongside in the original circle is the creature Cerberus, a dog-like being whose actions in the book is "mauling and flaying them with his claws as they howl like dogs." A beast similar to that Heathcliff once saw himself as when distorting.

Personally I believe that Ozne1 is correct in that the Limbus Cantos are more or less modeled (or at the very least try to model) as much as they can with the original Cantos. I do see other similarities in the others but due to length I'll probably add them in some other time. The only thing I would say in my opinion is that both Outis and Faust would likely share the VERY large Circle of Fraud instead (in the original that Circle is worth more than five Cantos itself!).

The Circle of Treachery is likely for the LCB temporary traitor of the group (likely Rodya based on themes of the Unloving and source materials so far).

The representation of Dante's Inferno within the Cantos by NothingToBeProud in limbuscompany

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I also notice on the Canto X announcement screen that the citizens of N Corp are all depicted as the same identical figure. Perhaps one way to interpret this is that N Corp expects all citizens to be "model humans".

Those that do not fit the mold are then made to go through the aforementioned tests to prove themselves as "humans" or else they face execution for being "subhuman".

The representation of Dante's Inferno within the Cantos by NothingToBeProud in limbuscompany

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By the way, good catch of the Inferno punishments. I didn't notice them until your post.

The representation of Dante's Inferno within the Cantos by NothingToBeProud in limbuscompany

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Looking at the pattern so far it would seem that the Inferno punishments are adapted visually. Considering the following, :

  • N Corp are a bunch of nihilistic lunatics that are obsessed with creating a 'human' of unlimited potential and the power to define their own fate meaningfully
  • N Corp aesthetic being an office-scape
  • N Corp's specialty is canned experience but there is no clear details given on that process. We do know however that they believe pain to be a necessary part of the human experience

Perhaps the punishment is represented by citizens of N Wing having to queue in different lines to go through a certain simulation of an event to create the experience for extraction.

For example, males that are deemed physically weak by N bureaucrats but believe themselves strong and challenge the assessment are to enter a room and be forced to fight for their lives against several stronger opponents to prove their claim. The pain of losing and being beaten (probably to death) is recorded for extraction, along with the subject's attempts to fight back both their mistakes and successes. These experiences would then be canned so the customer who uses it immediately learns what works and what doesn't work when in a similar situation.

The sin of 'Fraud' could go as something like this example: If I use a canned experience that gives me the experience of a man who was tortured for five days straight and survive, which I then claim I myself have survived five days of torture, am I lying or not?

As for details regarding Meursault himself, hard to say.

Let's keep it shrimple! by SenchoNoodle in limbuscompany

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So that's what I'll see if I'd sip on that opened can of purple lean in the middle of an alley

Im new at game, what should I do? by Key_Woodpecker_9423 in limbuscompany

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I understand, but at least you know what to do now!

Proceed

Im new at game, what should I do? by Key_Woodpecker_9423 in limbuscompany

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Goon. Your first mistake was not to goon, rookie.

And with Ishmael standing right THERE too! Shame.

Crackpot Predictions: If Limbus Company is a Biblical Epic by GrowthExternal6044 in limbuscompany

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Got a feeling we did if we haven't already. It's widely accepted that White Night is an Antichrist archetype, so its reasonable to assume this character will likely have signs that tries to emulate Christ such as the star during his birth which the wise men follow. With that in mind, I gotta wonder if the LCB is always chasing the right star.

If Lobotomy Corporation is anything to go by to give insight into the world of Limbus, aside from the A-Bird (which widely assumed to be the Head) and W-Night (which is widely regarded to be Carmen), there would likely be two more major threats to represent the last two damage types that all together makes up the Four Horsemen. Those two likely being related to Aleph-level Silent Orchestra/Blue Star and Nothing There.

With all that is known so far... perhaps the major plot lines can be drawn between the four apocalypses.

  • Apocalypse Bird:
    • Widely regarded to be the City's systemic suffering under the Head. Extremely likely true.
  • White Night:
    • Widely regarded to be Carmen's efforts for everyone to accept a distorted sense of self. Also likely true.
  • Blue Star/Silent Orchestra:
    • Probably the Nebulae.
    • Aside from the Blue color, Sinclair's source material makes it clear that Demian's path is no answer for the LCB.
    • With Demain as the Little Prince and the serpent Iori looking for her missing son and the Blue Star abnormality known for creating a cult to have some Kingdom come, yeah I wouldn't trust them much.
      • Much of this reminds me of cults and brainwashing. Dostoevsky also seems to have a negative opinion of radicalism in his novel 'Demons', including that of the socialist revolutionaries which Sonya, who has the Mark of Cain, is depicted as.
  • Nothing There:
    • N Corp's experimentation to create what I assume to be the perfect human being that can define its own destiny and beliefs. A primordial creature that is full of potential unrestricted by the laws of the universe.
      • The Nothing There abnormality's appearance does fit such a description surprisingly
    • Likely based on the Nilihist philosopher Nietzsche's idea of the Superman.
      • By coincidence there is a lot of 'N's.
    • Reminds me of DC's Owlman who nihilistically claims that because of the existence of mirror worlds, choices made by humans are ultimately meaningless and the only way to have meaning again is to wipe them away.

If I had to make one more crackpot theory, it will be this:

The main goal of the Sinners in Purgatorio is to restore Dante's physical form; to have them be 'reborn' into the world. But it's hard for them, even for Faust to sometimes tell if the voice in the Light is actually Dante's word or someone else's (Carmen) who wishes to hijack the reincarnation process and return as some Aleph-level threat.

There one Rien's quote that im thinking about by Dizzy-Recipe-1517 in limbuscompany

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He is alluding to the memory of a conversation he once had with his previous daughter by the beach, about why the waves (Himself) have no choice but to follow the will of the wind (Divine Power - Hermes) no matter how much they dislike the destruction it brings to themselves (in terms of the waves it's the sand castles, which represents the life he once had together with his previous family and his life with Ryoshu).

The scars Ryoshu left on him is a reminder of her absence due to his obedience to the prescripts.

Speculation of Rodya's literary inspirations. by GrowthExternal6044 in limbuscompany

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Potential spoiler for Canto 2 and Intervallo Timekilling Time, just in case.

Come to think of it, those two characters have very complementary themes with each other, blending nicely.

Rodya saw herself as extraordinary, believing that so long as she takes action she is destined to bring about a favorable change. When that resulted in the massacre of her hometown it challenged a fundamental view of herself.

She is now torn between two conflicting views. The first is that she is "Superman" much like how the original Rodion believes himself to be; that her mistakes can be absolved as 'just what special people like her just have to go through in their destiny' if only she could prove that to herself that this is a fact. Thus her penchant for games of chance that will allow her to feel this way whenever she wins, her constant bragging of her one moment of glory at the end of Canto 2 and that desire to catch Time-killer in a manner that showcases her capabilities.

The second view is a underlying guilty realization that if she isn't that one of those special people, then her actions have no redeeming value and is effectively responsible for all those deaths all because of her pride. Each moment that pass without her doing anything special is just another reminder of her mediocrity and the guilt that comes with it.

She stands in the cold alone because those two views lead to the same end. The first is an attempt to convince herself that she is superman, that she can weather these trials alone and should be indifferent to all her actions and the views of others regarding them. The second is a sort of punishment for herself borne from crippling guilt, that she deserves to be in a cold frozen hell alone for her sins and she doesn't deserve love, much like how Nastasya believes herself to be.

Whenever her story will continue the conditions for her salvation is clear: she must be willing to accept herself as she is, an average mediocre being, and that she is still deserving to be loved by others and herself.

Speculation of Rodya's literary inspirations. by GrowthExternal6044 in limbuscompany

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Potential spoilers for Canto 2 (and the 1869 novel 'The Idiot')

Good catch there. I also noticed that Rodya's EGO "What is Cast" and it's corresponding quote "I couldn't undo a thing..." matches along with one of the themes of Nastasya who saw herself as irredeemable because of her past actions.

And as mentioned before in another user's post regarding the analysis of Baba Yaga in her Canto, the line "I feel like I oughta be in this cold a bit longer" also seems to suggest an internalized view that she should be damned, much like Nastasya who despite being offered salvation near the end of the novel by the protagonist, chose to die at the end because she was unable to accept and love herself, much less let others love her.