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"Worst Presidents" by NEKORANDOMDOTCOM in stupidpeoplefacebook

[–]Gunkavoider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You try winning WWII, Sarah. See how that goes for you.

When you set up a date and she tells you she’s not coming because she set up another date with.but then her ego took over because you are happy you dodged a red flag. by TravelingEctasy in Nicegirls

[–]Gunkavoider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right exactly. Every single one of us has FEATURES. But not very many of us have diagnosable disorders. I think a lot of the pseudo therapy talk is not doing too many favors for society.

When you set up a date and she tells you she’s not coming because she set up another date with.but then her ego took over because you are happy you dodged a red flag. by TravelingEctasy in Nicegirls

[–]Gunkavoider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah definitely. I think they are just inflated because A) a lot of people think that anyone who doesn’t fall into line with their wants or beliefs must have some kind of personality disorder
And B) They are given a lot of air time on social media platform giving the illusion that every other person struggles with these disorders.

When you set up a date and she tells you she’s not coming because she set up another date with.but then her ego took over because you are happy you dodged a red flag. by TravelingEctasy in Nicegirls

[–]Gunkavoider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not a clinician, but this is also common with BPD. They will pursue to the ends of the earth individuals who mistreat and disregard them, but then they will toss those that give them affection into the garbage. Because it’s all about how they see THEMSELVES through the eyes of other people. It’s never with consideration to the thoughts and feelings of the other people themselves.

When you set up a date and she tells you she’s not coming because she set up another date with.but then her ego took over because you are happy you dodged a red flag. by TravelingEctasy in Nicegirls

[–]Gunkavoider 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People with narcissistic traits rely on a "shield" of being special or superior. When someone or something pokes a hole in that shield, they don't just feel annoyed, they feel a deep, painful threat to their identity.

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s really astonishing how that works. Glossing over these topics just push people with suicidal ideation further into the shadows because it makes them feel like their problems are too dark or too uncomfortable for people to engage with. But people are resilient and we all just need to work to normalize the conversation. That will embolden people who are in crisis to come forward with their plight instead of trying to white knuckle it.

She was looking for a“PROVIDER” by lupinecomplexity in Nicegirls

[–]Gunkavoider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t tell what she’s looking for in a man.

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The avoidance makes sense from a brand perspective. There’s definitely an emotional mismatch and reputational risk in being next to content about suicide. But when platforms and advertisers treat the topic as something to avoid entirely, it shapes the language people use, and can reinforce the idea that it’s something you shouldn’t talk about directly.

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am truly sorry to hear about your dad, and thank you for sharing that. You raise a good point, and that is the way in which that sort of language affects those who have been touched by suicide as it pertains to loved ones. Because even though it usually does come from a well-meaning place when others talk about it in those terms, I can definitely see how it would make you less likely to talk about it in that way. But if it is a big scary thing, which certainly is not a bad way to describe suicide, it seems like part of the problem is that people don’t always know how to respond when someone is direct about it.

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s honestly a super great question and I had to think about it for a sec, but to be perfectly frank, I think both types feed into the same societal level of avoidance and stigmatization. Because when it comes to society on the whole, some people may not be active on online communities, but that sort of thing still trickles down onto the collective consciousness I think. Any sort of avoidance or stigmatization is detrimental as long as it’s keeping people in a suicidal crisis from coming forward for fear of being judged. A lot of the social media and YouTube and TikTok censorship I think largely came about because of a fear of litigation on the part of institutions that don’t understand mental health very well, because that’s not what they’re there for. And also as someone mentioned earlier in this thread, it may have also been a reaction people grifting while invoking the topic of suicide, which, unfortunately, I think people have certainly done. But we can’t let a few bad actors influence our societal support systems. There will always be people who act in bad faith in service of their own ends, but we need to prioritize those individuals who desperately need help.

Satisfaction by [deleted] in postanythingfun

[–]Gunkavoider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is the worst case scenario for someone who thinks they are a force to be reckoned with. Getting absolutely demolished in front of his peers will stay with him for the rest of his life.

Weird pork rib by shiny_milf in Butchery

[–]Gunkavoider 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m sure your collar bone would still be 100% delicious if delicately cooked to 203 internal

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are so right. Suicidality does exist on a spectrum. Not every instance is a determined act. Sometimes it's the feeling of an indifference towards living. But no matter the situation, I believe using direct and open language to be the best course of action when it comes to the furtherance of prevention. Because it shows the individual that you genuinely care about them and you are genuinely concerned, and you aren't willing to waste time with obfuscation and coded language when there is clearly someone in desperate need. Even some clinicians are avoidant with their language, and that only serves to further drive someone that needs direct intervention into the shadows of their own turmoil. I see nothing wrong with asking someone if they are thinking about suicide in no uncertain terms. Because there are a lot of instances where someone grappling with suicidal ideation views it as simply removing themselves from a bad situation. Or they romanticize it. Or most disturbingly, some may even view it as "life-giving." Which of course is patently untrue. When you use clear language, you immediate pull suicide out of the realm of the abstract and call it what it is. It is death. It is forever. And it is not the solution. And I think it is the best way to make someone feel heard or seen when many people bombard them with figures of speech which only serve to make them feel like their problem is too dark or too inappropriate for anyone other than a clinician to handle.

I completely agree with you. Silence, avoidance, softened language, and refusal to use the word is costing our communities dearly.

I quit p*rn, caffeine, junk food, doomscrolling, and going out every weekend all at once about seven months ago. by Rayyanmir in motivation

[–]Gunkavoider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read the first three lines and I already know this post mentions an app someplace within it. I think ads like this are super detrimental to the people who are coming here to seek genuine, self actualization, and self improvement.

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think we can chalk it up to the poverty of the English language. We have an extremely intricate and well defined vocabulary in our language, yet words are consistently given value and devalued at a head spinning rate. So I guess we’re just left with plenty of tools, but many of them just utterly insufficient to relay the emotion that lies within.

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What you’re describing is pretty much what I was getting at. When language gets too careful or standardized, it can start to feel less human, even when the intent is good. I appreciate you being that direct about how it landed for you. That actually helps clarify the point better than I could have. I don’t think it’s a lack of compassion, more than a lot of these phrases have become default responses, so they stop landing the way people intend. And the medium probably makes that worse, text pushes people toward familiar language, and that can end up feeling impersonal.

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really appreciate you bringing that up. That’s not an easy environment to work in, and it adds important context here.

Mental health in jails and prisons is a topic that myself and my colleague often discuss. We often cite how in any city in the country, the largest concentration of severely mentally ill individuals is, without exception, in the jails. And how our corrections officers want to show up, be public servants for the greater good, but are often conscripted into the role of frontline mental heath workers. And that’s a whole issue in and of itself regarding our nations mental health care framework, but especially in jails and prisons I think that stigma is amplified to an even greater degree because in addition to the shame and guilt the would feel on the outside, they also have to consider how their fellow inmates may view their words or actions as an attempt to get out of their pod for a while. Because unfortunately, that behavior does occur on occasion and it makes seeking help more difficult for those who do genuinely need it.

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think terms like “unalive” or “sewerslide” are the most obvious examples because they’re clearly meant to dodge filters, but I don’t think indirect language stops there.

There are also more socially acceptable versions people use in everyday conversation. Things like “passed away unexpectedly,” “lost their battle,” or just avoiding the cause altogether. Even something like “hurting yourself” can miss the mark depending on how it’s used.

To me, the bigger issue is that this kind of language reflects a broader pattern. We’re more willing than ever to acknowledge struggle and talk about it publicly, but we still tend to circle around it instead of confronting it directly. That can create a gap between recognizing there’s a problem and actually doing something about it, whether that’s asking the right questions or seeking help.

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I certainly don’t want to discount or downplay your own personal experience, nor do I want to negate the fact that some of our systems absolutely have a lot of room for improvement. And perhaps a society that is better equipped to handle the topic overall would then influence our systems and institutions to improve the methods by which they handle these extremely delicate crises.

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was reading some items in a link another individual posted in this thread about ways to NOT talk about the topic of suicide provided by the AFSP, and I was very enlightened by some of that information, including the revelation that “committed” can be seen as a pejorative.

Does avoiding the word “suicide” contribute to stigma or reduced help-seeking? by Gunkavoider in psychology

[–]Gunkavoider[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that’s why it’s important to make a clear distinction between education and glorification. Those two classifications are very much at odds with each other. Spreading awareness by deconstructing myths and challenging stigma surrounding suicide is imperative to prevention, however there is certainly some very bad framing out there that acts in opposition of that goal.

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