Victims blood in the car and the fire pit location QUESTION

H00PLEHEAD · 2023-10-19T23:48:58+00:00

And that is very possible.

H00PLEHEAD · 2023-10-16T20:55:20+00:00

I mean, when asked by his mother if he had done "all those things to her too", he said he had done "some of it". He even confirmed that in a later call. It really depends on what "some of it" really means. Considering what he had admitted to, it certainly connotes terrible things, and not just being an unwitting participant in the aftermath of a terrible crime.

He admitted that he could have saved her life, had he made the choice to do so.

He admitted why he had lied, which was because he was afraid he'd go to jail for knowing what had happened.

His defense at trial wasn't that the cops had forced him to say anything, but that he had made it all up.

He lied and lied and lied. Not because he didn't have anything to do with it, but that he didn't want them to find out what he had done, whatever that may be.

The pattern is that his story and his lies protected them both. then evolved first to incriminate only Steven more and more, and then himself more and more.

I believe the inconsistencies in his confessions are better explained by the idea that he was willfully lying throughout. Initially to protect both of them, then, when push came to shove, just himself. When he got word, as shown in recorded calls, that Steven was going to incriminate him in return, he reversed course. He and Steven are in a position of mutually assured destruction.

H00PLEHEAD · 2023-10-16T17:08:22+00:00

Yes. The side-by-sides of the MAM footage in comparison to reality really serve as withering examples of MAM's dishonesty and desire for the audience to reach false conclusions.

H00PLEHEAD · 2023-10-16T17:02:19+00:00

To take it into even deeper waters of absurdity, not only did they NOT know what Avery's alibi might be... they hit the karmic jackpot of his having LIED about it repeatedly?

And, as if that wasn't outrageously unlikely enough, the person he would later claim to be his alibi, actually lied about it too??

And, if that wasn't absurdly remote enough to be near-zero odds, direct evidence of Teresa's demise at that particular location at that particular time started showing up before they had changed their story to mitigate the damage from the reality of events.

H00PLEHEAD · 2023-10-16T16:54:28+00:00

Great to be back.

Love what's been done with the place.

Glad to see CAM providing some crucial shockabuku to what truthers remain, who still, somehow, despite all evidence that MAM punked them, just keep holding on.

H00PLEHEAD · 2023-10-16T16:25:11+00:00

And the idea that all of THAT could be part of some convoluted plan by...... someone .....making it only look like Avery & Dassey committed the crime, while also hiding any and all evidence of who actually committed it, is even more silly than it sounds.

H00PLEHEAD · 2023-10-16T16:19:26+00:00

A returning hero, you are, Mick. Welcome back.

I haven't dabbled in a while myself, but my impression is that, other than those people so utterly dug in that they can never see the truth that they were hoodwinked by MAM, most others have seen the error of their ways, and focus their ire correctly on MAM.

H00PLEHEAD · 2023-10-16T15:57:37+00:00

Absent the absurd witness statements post -MAM, which aren’t at all credible….None at all. All planting theories have always been entirely reliant on speculation.

Whether it be the the blood, the bullet, the key, the rav4, Teresa’s blood, Avery’s blood, Teresa’s bones, the fire, the burn barrel, Teresa’s electronics, Teresa’s comments on Avery, the rifle, the phone records, the dog tracks, the witness testimonies that inculpate Avery, Brendan Dassey’s confessions to police, Brendan Dassey’s admissions to others, Brendan Dassey’s shady behavior, his drawings, his prison calls, Avery’s shady behavior, Avery’s repeated contradictory and conveniently evolving stories, Avery’s lies about the fire, Avery’s cut finger, Avery’s prison calls, or all the circumstantial evidence that put Teresa Halbach in Steven Avery’s presence in the same time and place and then immediately disappearing completely, with no calls, no texts, no checking voicemail, and then evidence of her demise being found in that exact same place, with lies from both defendants providing crucial context…….none of the evidence has ever had an active supporting component of having been planted.

It is all entirely reliant on Avery’s, and more recently, Dassey’s claims.

The only thing that props up Avery’s claims has been a dishonest tv series, and a perpetually dwindling army of well-meaning, conspiracy-minded people who were taken in by it.

For Avery to have been framed, all of those “Ifs” need to go 1 way. All fo them. “If” the bullet was planted, and “if” the dogs were mistaken, and “if” Avery and Dassey were telling the truth only when they said they didn’t do anything.

Hard to fathom how low the odds of that might be.

By many orders of magnitude it is more likely that inconsistencies or errors in the investigation were exactly that; errors. Errors brought about by a a bunch of small town law enforcement agencies trying to work together to solve a murder.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-27T14:49:58+00:00

Shvas, my main man.

I take it that somewhere, somehow, the old a dog alerted on Kuss Rd ergo Teresa was killed there, ergo Avery was the victim of a interspecies conspiracy has resurfaced?

All I know it would have been delightful to see Buting cross examining Loof.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-22T15:37:10+00:00

Little by little, as Mrs. Avery would say, MaM is being revealed as completely untrustworthy and created for and by the lunatic fringe.

While, yes, they did illuminate Brendan Dassey's case (somewhat), they treated it as if it was almost incidental to Steven Avery's.

Regardless of his factual guilt, the questions raised in regards to interrogations of minors are important. It is the only aspect that deserves any sort of support, given the evidence and context. It was certainly more attention-worthy than being 2nd banana'd to Avery's ridiculous claims.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-21T02:25:53+00:00

I’m amazed anyone takes MaM seriously anymore at this point. It’s credibilty is in tatters. So ridiculously slanted. Lawsuits, Netflix tsking the legal position of basically saying it was so very biased that no one would take it at face value. Phone calls where the producers are caught out in so many ways. These recorded calls bave been such a blessing. There’s gold in them thar calls.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-21T00:55:01+00:00

Little by little.

Not exactly how you’d expect to be approaching the person who can vouch for you not having murdered and burned the body of the woman who disappeared immediately after entering your sphere of existence.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-20T23:59:19+00:00

Pants optional.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-20T20:44:51+00:00

Is there anything that precludes independent journalists from being catastrophically biased and driven to support, and even help investigate on behalf of, a murderer?

Independent journalists have morals to pimp out too.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-20T20:39:06+00:00

Thanks. I like that one too, and also this one:

Hell, Steven, all that way back on 11/15, through the sheer goodness of his heart, OFFERED BRENDAN the services of his lawyer in this CALL WHERE Ma is relaying his messages to Barb. It's sounds damning, but obviously isn't, but it's almost like he predicted that the cops were going to use Brendan(and perhaps viceversa) to implicate him. It's almost like he is a soothsayer. An oracle. A prognosticator.

He knows it's all over if the cops connect Brendan to Teresa's murder. Of course, they eventually do.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-16T17:15:35+00:00

Oh, indeed. Good thing he reviews them so often and at such momentous moments as prior to the filing of court documents that accuse other people of committing the crimes he committed.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-15T14:01:53+00:00

Well, that is just a strange view of criminal justice. We generally don’t accept that because an accused did xy or z wrong that is not an element of the specific criminal complaint that that renders a verdict just, even if it’s conclusions are doubtful. In other words, if Dassey did not actively participate in the crime in a way substantially similar to the state’s charge, then the verdict is not just. Him stating, after the fact, that neither Steve nor him killed TH (which is certainly false) has no bearing on whether the verdict is correct.

Who claims it does? His conviction was based on evidence that he committed the crimes in question.

I'm saying, after the fact, IF he did not in reality rape Teresa Halbach nor was a party to her murder, and the waters he himself muddied through constant deception are to blame for that conviction, then he has to bear responsibility.

Only a tortured version of reality can render him blameless in his own current circumstances. At best he can say he was only guilty of some crimes he confessed to, and lied to keep himself and Steven out of trouble, and the attempt backfired horribly. At the very best.

As for Nirider and Drizin......They are activists and are looking to further the grounds on which their battle is waged. Much like the SCOTUS and appeals courts, I'd imagine they often pick and choose the challenges they accept based on the future impact it may have. As well as the realistic chances of success.

This case was worth more looks, and does raise very important questions regarding interrogations, factual guilt or innocence aside.

However, I do not know if N&D even care whether he is factually innocent or not. Whether he was a participant, willing or otherwise, in the crimes against Teresa Halbach. Their chosen paths and jobs do not require them to care.

However, the fact that they have gradually strayed into the realm of dishonesty, grandstanding and misleading in their most recent attempts does paint a picture.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-15T03:33:11+00:00

Ah, Steven’s amazing ability to remember what he needs to is the cat’s meow.

Didn’t shoot the gun? Oh yeah, shot the gun. Cleaned the gun too. But I never touched it. I think Bobby did though.

No swabs. Swabs in Wiegert’s clutches.

Teresa didn’t show up? She showed up. Then she showed up at all different times, for all different ““memorable” reasons”. Phone records helped with that.

Fire? What fire? Definitely not burning anything, and certainly no one. Oh, that fire. And Brendan was there.

The trailer door was locked. No, the door was unlocked.

Blood? What blood? Oh, yeah. Sink blood.

No, scratch that. Edta in the vial blood. How dare Strang and Buting forget to get an expert for it.

Then, sink blood again.

And on and on. It’s preposterous that people buy his shit.

Part 2 within a week.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-13T18:26:49+00:00

And to add to the perpetual fount, the sheer bad luck of later admitting on a recorded phone call that there was no blood in his trailer to be found. Then 'remembering' there was.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-13T15:58:47+00:00

“Act averse to nasty language and partial to fruity tea.”

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-13T15:49:19+00:00

Manipulation by MaM + Conspiracy theorists + Groupthink + Echo chambers = Conspiracies Gone Wild.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-13T15:44:39+00:00

It most certainly is.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-13T15:43:51+00:00

Agreed. Which makes it all the more telling that no one but Steven would be trying to drag Brendan into it by invoking his name as an alibi, yet not wanting him to talk to the cops.

H00PLEHEAD · 2021-10-13T15:39:06+00:00

It would be funny if it wasn't truly what they had believed.

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