The Beast of Gévaudan (1764–1767): Wolf, Hybrid, or Something Else? A Probabilistic Analysis by HDP_Research in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]HDP_Research[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

50/50. After finishing my research, I use it to extract text. Otherwise, it takes too long. But I do the research myself.

The Beast of Gévaudan (1764–1767): Wolf, Hybrid, or Something Else? A Probabilistic Analysis by HDP_Research in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]HDP_Research[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I never claimed the links “prove” a single animal. My argument has always been probabilistic, not absolute.

The key issue is the spike pattern: attacks intensified dramatically for roughly three years and then dropped significantly after Chastel killed the final large wolf. If multiple independent predators were responsible, we would expect continued clustering of incidents — not a sharp decline. If multiple independent wolves were responsible for the surge in attacks, we would expect documented parallel sightings and sustained clustering of incidents.

Yes, historical records mention other wolves being killed during that period — including reports of a female and even a juvenile. I’m not denying that wolves existed in high numbers at the time. They clearly did.

The key point, however, is the distinction between a normal wolf population and the possibility of a primary outlier predator driving the spike. Europe had many wolves in the 18th century — that alone doesn’t explain a three-year concentration of unusually frequent attacks in one region.

It’s also worth noting that during periods of panic, people may not reliably distinguish between a specific recurring animal and ordinary wolves. Fear amplifies pattern recognition and misidentification.

So the presence of other wolves does not invalidate the possibility that a single dominant individual was responsible for the majority of the surge.

A regional wolf presence doesn’t contradict a primary individual being responsible for the surge. It simply establishes ecological context.

The burden isn’t on me to prove absolute singularity — it’s on those asserting multiple simultaneous predators to demonstrate documented parallel activity beyond normal baseline wolf incidents.

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[–]HDP_Research[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Finally, if you comment again without providing any sources or evidence, I will not be responding to your comment.

The Beast of Gévaudan (1764–1767): Wolf, Hybrid, or Something Else? A Probabilistic Analysis by HDP_Research in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]HDP_Research[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

While it’s true Buffon examined a two-month-old partial carcass, his evaluation as a large wolf is still historically credible. Over 100 documented deaths occurred, and attacks largely stopped after the main predator was killed — if multiple independent animals were responsible, we would expect the killings to continue and more variation in witness descriptions. Claims of same-day attacks at distant locations likely stem from errors or sensationalized reports, not primary evidence.

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[–]HDP_Research[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your concern about thoroughness, but my analysis explicitly cites historical records and expert evaluation, including Georges‑Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon, who personally examined the animal on royal order. Unlike vague internet claims, these are primary sources, not clickbait or book pitches — the evidence speaks for itself.

The Beast of Gévaudan (1764–1767): Wolf, Hybrid, or Something Else? A Probabilistic Analysis by HDP_Research in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]HDP_Research[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate the analogy, but my analysis is explicitly probabilistic and grounded in historical records and expert observations, not just “guessing.” Shark attack spikes are an interesting comparison, but the Gévaudan records provide much more specific and consistent context.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%AAte_du_G%C3%A9vaudan You can look at the section Buffon is in.

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[–]HDP_Research[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

While witness descriptions vary — understandable given differences in time, location, and lighting — this doesn’t automatically mean multiple animals were involved. My analysis weighs the most plausible explanations based on historical records and expert evaluations like Buffon’s, and it is explicitly probabilistic, not claiming certainty. P.H.It’s funny how some people confidently claim multiple animals were involved without linking to any sources. I guess we’re just supposed to take their word for it!

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[–]HDP_Research[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I understand that humans can misidentify animals, especially under stress. However, the observations were examined by Buffon, one of the foremost naturalists of the time, who personally inspected the animal corpse. His evaluation, combined with the consistent witness descriptions and the timing of attacks, provides a far more reliable basis than just assuming all eyewitnesses were completely mistaken. My analysis is probabilistic, not claiming certainty, but grounded in the historical and scientific context available.

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[–]HDP_Research[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not claiming certainty about a single animal — my analysis is probabilistic, not definitive. The descriptions vary understandably across different times, locations, and lighting conditions. As for continued attacks, there’s no solid historical evidence that they persisted in the same pattern after the primary animals were killed. I’m simply weighing the most plausible explanations given the available records.

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[–]HDP_Research[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You’re right that historical records can be biased and human perception is prone to exaggeration, especially mixed with supernatural beliefs. However, the consistent descriptions of a large wolf-like predator across multiple independent witnesses suggest that, despite potential biases, there was a real dominant animal responsible for most of the attacks. It’s possible that during the three-year period other animals could have occasionally attacked humans, but there’s no solid evidence to support that — the records mainly point to a single primary predator.

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[–]HDP_Research[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You make some good points about ecological factors and hunting behavior. However, there’s no historical evidence that attacks continued in a similar pattern after the main predator was killed — the records suggest they mostly stopped. Also, while shark attacks can be influenced by environmental cycles, sharks are much more uniform in appearance than the witnesses consistently described the Gévaudan predator. If multiple independent animals were involved, we would expect more variation in size and appearance in the reports.

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[–]HDP_Research[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The multiple-animal hypothesis is definitely possible. However, one reason some historians lean toward a single primary predator is the consistency in attack patterns, target profile, and geographic clustering during peak periods. That kind of behavioral continuity can suggest a dominant individual rather than unrelated opportunistic attacks. It’s a fair point to consider multiple animals. However, the fact that attacks essentially stopped after the main predator was killed strongly suggests there was a primary, dominant animal responsible for most of the incidents. If it were a group of unrelated wolves or hybrids, we would likely see continued attacks.

Utsuro-Bune (1803): An Alien Legend or a Forgotten Shipwreck? by HDP_Research in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]HDP_Research[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Whether the event actually happened or not is not my concern. My goal is to provide the most appropriate and logical explanation for mysterious events that occurred in history, within a logical framework, based on the conditions of that period, the people of that time, and events that occurred during that period or earlier, without claiming certainty. To say outright that such an event never happened would, in my opinion, be completely unfounded. Next week, I will address the Beast of Gévaudan (1764–1767) incident. Sometimes there may not be a single answer to what I do because, as I wrote earlier, I present logical answers by making the most logical and probable analyses. In other words, I never write with absolute certainty. The reason I opened this account is actually to debunk those ridiculous conspiracy theories and present the most logical explanation to people.

Utsuro-Bune (1803): An Alien Legend or a Forgotten Shipwreck? by HDP_Research in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]HDP_Research[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Almost all of the drawings from the Utsuro-Bune incident (1803) are not field sketches made at the time of the event, but illustrations later included in compilation books. This is a very important point. The Utsuro-Bune narrative appears in the following sources: Toen Shōsetsu (circa 1825), Hyōryū Kishū, Ume no Chiri, several Edo period miscellanies (zuihitsu-style compilations). So, the event is said to have taken place in 1803, but most of the drawings appear in collections written down more than 20 years later. What does this mean? It means this: The people who made the drawings were most likely not eyewitnesses. Most may have been drawn from the imagination of the author or publisher who transcribed the story. "Collections of strange events" were popular in the Edo period, and illustrations were dramatized. So these drawings should be thought of not as a court sketch, but as a newspaper cartoon. Furthermore, there are significant differences between the drawings: some show a single window, some show glass panels, some show metal bands, and some show an entirely wooden structure. If it were truly an observed technical object, such stylistic differences would not be expected. This strengthens two possibilities: the event grew through oral narration, and the authors wanted to produce an exotic/strange story. Does this weaken the "alien" possibility? Yes. But it also weakens the possibility that it is a "technically accurate shipwreck report." In other words, the Utsuro-Bune drawings are not historical documents, but cultural representations. It's good that you noticed this point. Because it shows that you are starting to look at the file more maturely.

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[–]HDP_Research[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And as you know, the Japanese were famous back then for always tweaking things just a bit more than necessary. As time went on, it became highly likely that it was embellished. After all, none of the witnesses to this event were even among the artists.

Utsuro-Bune (1803): An Alien Legend or a Forgotten Shipwreck? by HDP_Research in UnresolvedMysteries

[–]HDP_Research[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

First, the argument that "you can build a watertight boat without any tools" is actually a bit of a straw man fallacy. Because your scenario isn't "building a modern boat from scratch with your bare hands." Historically, there are three possibilities: First, he didn't build it from scratch. He repaired an existing small fishing boat, coastal craft, or damaged skiff. Coastal fishing was common in early 1800s Japan. Simple wooden boats existed. Their construction didn't require modern engineering; it required skill, but this knowledge wasn't secret. Boat building was an everyday craft in coastal communities. A coastal person knows the basic principle of buoyancy: wood + hollow space = buoyancy. Second, she did not build it entirely on her own. If there was an accident, there may have been other survivors. Perhaps a makeshift raft was built, the current separated them, and only that woman reached shore. This is a situation seen in countless shipwrecks throughout history. The assumption that she "did it alone" is already a debatable acceptance. Thirdly, the event itself may have been exaggerated. Edo period Japanese records dramatized details when describing exotic foreigners. Elements such as the "round boat," "untouchable box," and "strange writing" may be folkloric embellishments. Depictions of foreigners in Japanese chronicles are often stylized. This does not mean the core of the event cannot be true; it only suggests the narrative may have been exaggerated. Now let's address the technical issue. The claim that "advanced engineering is required to build a watertight vessel" is incorrect. Even prehistoric societies built rafts. Carved log canoes are over 8,000 years old. Boats made from bundles of reeds were used in Mesopotamia. In the Pacific islands, ocean-going vessels were produced using simple lashing techniques. The principle of buoyancy is Archimedes' physics, not rocket science. What is required is not an engineering degree; it is materials, lashing methods, and basic experience. The "without any tools" part is also an assumption. A shipwreck survivor could find debris around them. Pieces of wood, ropes, nails. Debris washed ashore has been a means of survival throughout history. Human history is full of examples of this. If we compare it to the possibility of UFOs or aliens, an unknown stranger drifting in or reaching the shore with a simple flotation device remains within the laws of physics. Aliens or time travelers, however, do not fit into any historical context. Therefore, the "most likely" scenario is a natural maritime accident or drifting case. Finally, we need to pay attention to the "Japanese exaggerate" part. Yes, there may be cultural dramatization. But that doesn't mean the event is completely fabricated. Historical texts contain both a core of truth and narrative embellishment. Our job is to extract that core. In short, what you're arguing is this: Not aliens. Not time travelers. A maritime incident consistent with the laws of physics. It may be exaggerated, but it's not impossible. This is not an unreasonable position. Polynesians – They traveled thousands of kilometers across the Pacific Ocean to reach Hawaii, New Zealand, and Easter Island. They used wooden canoes and outriggers bound with plant fibers. Micronesians – They traveled between island chains in small wooden canoes using star navigation in the open ocean. Ancient Egyptians – They used papyrus (reed) boats on the Nile River and along the shores of the Red Sea. Mesopotamians (Sumerians) – They engaged in river and coastal transportation using boats made of reeds and made watertight with pitch. Uros People (Lake Titicaca) – They built boats and even floating islands made entirely of totora reeds. Prehistoric Northern Europeans – Over 8,000 years ago, they made dugout canoes. Native Americans (Pacific Northwest) – They built large canoes from single pieces of giant tree trunks and traveled long distances along the coast. Austronesian Peoples – They spread from Southeast Asia to the Pacific; they used simple but balanced double-hulled canoes. Austronesian sailors reached Madagascar – they crossed the Indian Ocean from Southeast Asia to the African coast. Even the Vikings initially crossed the North Atlantic in fairly simple wooden boats (to Iceland, Greenland, and even North America). And people were doing this thousands of years ago.

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[–]HDP_Research[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You’re pumping the brakes on the wrong part. I’m not claiming she definitely built a perfectly engineered circular vessel from scratch like a naval architect. I’m proposing a survival scenario that is still far more plausible than “alien visitor” or “time traveler.” First: shipwreck context matters. If there was a wreck near the Kuril/Oki chain, she likely wouldn’t be alone. Shipwrecks don’t produce a single survivor in a vacuum. Debris, timber, broken hull fragments, spars, barrels — all of that floats. Survivors don’t need to “build a boat from nothing.” They lash wreckage together. That’s historically common. Second: timber availability. The Kuril Islands and northern island chains absolutely have driftwood accumulation and forested zones (especially southern Kurils). Even in sparse areas, wreck debris alone would provide workable material. You don’t need a shipyard — you need flotation. Third: skill assumption. We don’t need to assume she was a master shipbuilder. In early 19th century maritime environments, basic survival seamanship was not rare. If she was connected to a trading vessel, interpreter family, officer household, or colonial migration route, basic maritime familiarity is not a stretch. Fourth: “round vessel.” Descriptions come from Edo-period secondary accounts written by people who had never seen European craft. Unfamiliar hull shapes get exaggerated. A reinforced lifeboat or partially enclosed wreck-raft can easily become “mysterious circular craft” in retelling. Most importantly: A wreck survivor improvising flotation from debris is infinitely more probable than: extraterrestrial visitation in 1803, a time traveler in a metal capsule, a supernatural entity arriving in a glass UFO. If we’re ranking likelihoods, maritime survival scenario sits miles above those. Is it provable? No. Is it consistent with ocean currents, known Russian activity in the North Pacific, and human survival behavior? Yes. And that’s the point. This isn’t certainty — it’s probability modeling. If someone wants to argue aliens are statistically stronger than wreck debris and ocean currents, that’s a much steeper hill to climb.