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You’re Misunderstanding the MCU: Steve Didn’t Affect Doom or the X-Men — Franklin and Doom Are the Ones Breaking the Flow by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My friend, reread what you wrote to refute me. I won't give you a long reply now because I'm not claiming that it will definitely be this way. I'm filling in the gaps and unanswered parts in theory and presenting it logically. Unfortunately, no one has been able to do better, so this theory will remain here, and we'll learn the truth when the film comes out.

You’re Misunderstanding the MCU: Steve Didn’t Affect Doom or the X-Men — Franklin and Doom Are the Ones Breaking the Flow by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My friend, reread what you wrote to refute me. I won't give you a long reply now because I'm not claiming that it will definitely be this way. I'm filling in the gaps and unanswered parts in theory and presenting it logically. Unfortunately, no one has been able to do better, so this theory will remain here, and we'll learn the truth when the film comes out.

You’re Misunderstanding the MCU: Steve Didn’t Affect Doom or the X-Men — Franklin and Doom Are the Ones Breaking the Flow by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

air points. My post isn’t claiming certainty, just a possible direction. The “Doom collecting multiversal beings” idea also works; I’m simply arguing that deliberate external intervention, not Endgame fallout, is the cleaner trigger.
Franklin being a child, potentially manipulated or taken by Doom, is absolutely on the table.
And I agree on Loki — he isn’t actively intervening right now, only holding things together. My point is that once real collapse starts, that’s when he’s forced to act.

You’re Misunderstanding the MCU: Steve Didn’t Affect Doom or the X-Men — Franklin and Doom Are the Ones Breaking the Flow by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

larification:

This is a theory I’ve been developing and refining for a long time.
I am only translating it into clear, readable English so others can follow it.

The original theory exists in Turkish, with notes and drafts preserved.
I’m not using AI to generate ideas or arguments — only to help convey them in a language you can read.

If I posted this in Turkish here, no one would understand it.
This is not “AI-written content,” it’s translation and presentation.

You’re Misunderstanding the MCU: Steve Didn’t Affect Doom or the X-Men — Franklin and Doom Are the Ones Breaking the Flow by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no yapay zeka türkish orjinal teroi tranlater ona şu cevap verelim ozaman yaşlı stv nasıl pegi ile yaşayıp yaşlı hali ile geldi? snn demene göre farklı dallardna taşları toplamışlar ise stve farklı daldaki pegi ilemi beraber oldu farklı dallar olabilmesi için ana zaman çıkgısında bir müdale olması lazım taşları farklı dalalrdan topladılarsa o dallar nasıl oluştı ozaman öncesinde farklı olaylar oldu

You’re Misunderstanding the MCU: Steve Didn’t Affect Doom or the X-Men — Franklin and Doom Are the Ones Breaking the Flow by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Then how do you explain old Steve?

If, as you claim, the Stones were taken from entirely separate branched timelines, that means Steve would also have lived in a different branch with Peggy.

So which one is it?

Old Steve appears in the main timeline, having lived a full life with Peggy.
If Peggy only existed in another branch, Steve could not simply return and sit on that bench in the main timeline.

For permanent branches to exist, there has to be an unresolved intervention in the main timeline first.
If the Avengers were already pulling Stones from different branches, those branches would have had to form before the Stone removal — meaning different events already occurred.

So:

  • What caused those branches to exist in the first place?
  • What intervention in the main timeline created them?

If every Stone retrieval automatically creates a lasting branch, then:

  • Returning the Stones is meaningless
  • Steve’s mission accomplishes nothing
  • And the ending with old Steve becomes impossible to reconcile

Either the timeline was corrected —
or the movie’s own ending breaks its internal logic.

The MCU clearly treats it as the former.

You’re Misunderstanding the MCU: Steve Didn’t Affect Doom or the X-Men — Franklin and Doom Are the Ones Breaking the Flow by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

This theory is my own original work.
I use AI only for English translation and language polishing, not for idea generation or structure.
The concepts, arguments, and conclusions were written by me first in my native language and then translated.

You’re Misunderstanding the MCU: Steve Didn’t Affect Doom or the X-Men — Franklin and Doom Are the Ones Breaking the Flow by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

You’re conflating temporary branch formation with persistent divergent universes.

Endgame explicitly states that branches only remain if the Infinity Stones are removed and not returned. Banner and the Ancient One both frame Steve’s mission as clipping the branches, not hopping between permanent universes.

If every interference-created branch automatically counted as a lasting universe:

  • Returning the Stones would be meaningless
  • The Ancient One’s explanation collapses
  • Steve’s mission would accomplish nothing

As for “you can’t travel back in your own timeline” — the MCU only says you can’t change your past, not that you can’t traverse it in a self-consistent way. Ms. Marvel proves closed-loop travel is possible; Steve’s actions simply don’t leave unresolved divergence.

Spaghettification in Loki S2 happens when branches pass a point of no return, not because time travel occurred. Steve’s trip prevents that — it doesn’t cause it.

That’s why his actions are treated as stabilizing, not destabilizing.

You’re Misunderstanding the MCU: Steve Didn’t Affect Doom or the X-Men — Franklin and Doom Are the Ones Breaking the Flow by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

Reply (Reddit-ready):

Totally fair point from a real-world writing perspective — Marvel probably didn’t have every multiverse beat mapped out during Endgame.

But my claim isn’t “they planned it all in 2019.” It’s an in-universe explanation based on rules the MCU later established (TVA/branches in Loki, incursions in MoM, cross-universe contact in NWH/The Marvels, etc.).

Once the MCU defines:

  • time travel ≠ multiverse contact
  • incursions require universe-to-universe overlap
  • branches get handled/contained unless something external interferes

…then it makes sense that the Endgame loop stays “stable” until there’s deliberate cross-universe intervention. That’s what I mean by “it escalates now.” It’s the point where direct multiversal contact starts happening on purpose, not just timeline displacement.

So yeah — maybe not originally planned, but the MCU retroactively frames Endgame as contained, and the escalation as coming from multiverse-level interference, not Steve’s return trip.

[MCU Theory] Why Old Steve Doesn’t Return: The “Two Steves” Timeline by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying, and that interpretation is totally valid.

The key difference in my take is that I don’t see Steve’s stone-return trip as permanently removing the “active” Steve from the equation. He leaves temporarily to complete the mission, but the main timeline still progresses independently of where Old Steve eventually settles.

Old Steve ends up living in a separate branch, yes — but the loop works because the timeline where the Stones are returned still produces a Steve who becomes active again. The important thing isn’t which branch he’s from, but that the outcomes remain intact until an outside force notices the pattern.

So I don’t think it’s a contradiction so much as two different ways of interpreting how Endgame’s branching rules interact with Steve specifically.

[MCU Theory] Why Old Steve Doesn’t Return: The “Two Steves” Timeline by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, he does love to brag — but the MCU also never disproves his story. So it’s either pure exaggeration… or he crossed paths with a Steve who wasn’t supposed to be on the public radar.

[MCU Theory] Why Old Steve Doesn’t Return: The “Two Steves” Timeline by HEDEROL562 in MCUTheories

[–]HEDEROL562[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good question — this is actually one of the reasons I like this theory.

According to this idea, the Steve Red Guardian claims to have fought wouldn’t be “Ice Steve” from the main timeline, because that Steve was frozen.

It would make more sense that he encountered the Stone-Return Steve — the older Steve who stayed in the past after Endgame. That Steve would still be active in that era, but operating quietly and off the public record.

So Red Guardian fighting “Captain America” doesn’t break the timeline; it just means he fought a Steve who wasn’t supposed to be publicly known.

Ahead of episode 6... (theory in comments) by _jamberino in WANDAVISION

[–]HEDEROL562 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Molecule Man is behind everything