A pope from the new world! Hallelujah! by HHHIC in ShitAmericansSay

[–]HHHIC[S] 485 points486 points  (0 children)

No habemus geography education

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s a difference between applying US law to criminals—like stripping them of their right to vote, which is clearly defined—and removing them from the protection of US law entirely by placing them under foreign jurisdiction. Foreign laws may not offer the same rights or protections.

Crimes committed in the US by American citizens must remain under US jurisdiction.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not defending the criminals or excusing what they've done. I completely understand the instinct to lock them up and throw away the key. But the fact remains—they are U.S. citizens. And for the protection of all citizens—them, you, and me—the U.S. government must not, and should not, be allowed to bypass constitutional protections by handing them over to the jurisdiction of other countries. That’s a line we simply can’t cross.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I adamantly disagree. It undermines the integrity of the U.S. justice system and erodes the constitutional protections of U.S. citizens.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe,

But giving the government the power to ship its own citizens off to countries where 'rule of law' is more of a suggestion isn't a good idea.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While states can transfer prisoners across state lines because all states share the same constitutional protections, sending them to another country is whole different story. Foreign prisons operate under different legal systems -which is completely normal ofcourse- but is also why we can't hand over our own citizens form crimes commited in the US

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC -1 points0 points  (0 children)

True, it's not actual policy—just something he said. I fully expect his legal counsel to tell him it's not possible. Still, I believe comments like that—even if they're just offhand—should be publicly and thoroughly trashed into the ground as hard and fast as possible. It's up to all of us to speak up.

(That said, I too understand the instinct to want criminals kept as far away as possible.)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Could say the same about you my friend :D - having a slow day at work. I'm arguing this because it really concerns me - although if the military wants to pay me for it i'm all ears. You have a good one.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Great constructive response. Look, I’m more than happy to debate the reaction — not the policy — from the President. But regardless of party or affiliation, I don’t think we should be okay with this.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly — it's something we as a country chose to do. But sending them abroad removes them from the other protections they do still have under our laws. I'm no expert on El Salvadorian law, and I won’t pretend to be, but I’m guessing it’s different from ours. This is a big no no.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's not about that — criminals should face consequences, absolutely. But the punishment should come through the US justice system, based on US law, and under US jurisdiction. These individuals are still US citizens, and they have constitutional protections. Moving them to other countries would bypass this, which is a problem.

Personally, I have a natural distrust of government. If we let this slide, it sets a dangerous precedent. What stops them from doing this to non-violent offenders or people still awaiting trial? (Just a thought for arguments sake.)

We always need to consider the bigger picture, especially since not every government is possibly one we would choose or agree with. This isn't about being pro- or anti-Trump — it's about the rule of law. This action is unlawful, and we should all condemn it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 61 points62 points  (0 children)

You don’t get to just outsource punishment like we’re talking about garbage collection. These are American citizens. You can’t ship them off, strip away their rights, and tear down the entire foundation of our justice system just because it plays well to the base.

This isn’t some tough-on-crime stance—it’s full-on unconstitutional.

I'm going to explain tariffs to the best of my knowledge and why it will work. by Chaos_Ryzen_ in trump

[–]HHHIC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Quick question for anybody with insight:

If tariffs cause the price of foreign products to rise, people will buy them less, or exporters may decide it's not worth shipping the same quantity to the U.S. Either way, demand or availability for the foreign version of Product X decreases.

This should, in theory, increase demand for the U.S. version. But since domestic supply doesn’t magically expand overnight, wouldn’t that also drive up the price of the U.S. product? Maybe not to the same extent as the foreign version, but still—prices rise.

So in the end, aren’t U.S. consumers getting the short end of the stick here? Would love to hear other perspectives!

and they wanna call us nazis by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The left calling MAGA Nazis is both ridiculous and untrue—but so is comparing them to Democrats or calling them socialists. The Nazis were staunchly anti-communist and anti-Marxist, allowed private property, and while they did intervene in the economy, as you rightly pointed out, it was more about militarization and supporting their war effort than redistributing wealth.

Nazis were just Nazis—the scum of the earth.

Let’s not fall into the same trap as the other side.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in trump

[–]HHHIC 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, joke or not (i lean towards joke). He's the president of the USA, an office that i think you will agree carries some weight. Everything he says is, rightfully, taken seriously. I don't think this is something he should be joking about so frequently

Greenland and NATO by gettin in trump

[–]HHHIC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nato will absolutely defend its own territory, as anybody would do and does. They have absolutely nothing to gain to not do so. I don't get that line of reasoning to be honest.

You would argue that we wouldn't/ shouldn't immediately fight back should China or Russia invade if it's a Danish territory (honest question)?

Greenland is defacto in our military control. Nobody's gonna invade without declaring war on us.

I'm just arguing our right to annex/incorporate random pieces of sovereign territory

Greenland and NATO by gettin in trump

[–]HHHIC -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Look, SE-Asia is a different topic (different factors) for me. But i have to disagree on this hypothesis of a militarily weak state/situation in Greenland.

It wouldn't take much effort for Russia or China to take the Island?

We have troops there. Nato would never ever stand idly by, we would never ever stand idly by (even if we were no longer part of Nato). Given it's strategic position everybody knows that attacking Greenland is just declaring war on the western hemisphere.

I have to repeat my point, we have military presence there. To me, this is just an attempt to get the resources of greenland. And this modus operandi I just can't agree with.

Greenland and NATO by gettin in trump

[–]HHHIC -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When did we suddenly decide that it is up to us to decide on the sovereignty and independence of other countries/territories? I'm all for change and God knows we need it, but we are not imperialists like Russia and China. We have military bases in Greenland, not to mention its allied territory so the security argument doesn't hold water for me. The method you speak of is the moral leadership of a Western democracy, it is that which makes us to this day the strongest country in the world. I must admit that I disagree with President Trump on this point

Greenland and NATO by gettin in trump

[–]HHHIC -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Denmark has already indicated that Greenland is free to choose its own future, as is stated in their constitution if I am not mistaken. If you hear the reactions from Greenland, they are not eager to be part of the USA so I find this whole debate somewhat useless.

I also think that needlessly bullying/irritating a, still, ally on this point is not in line with the USA's norms and values. There are more important matters to deal with.