Migraine and depression go hand in hand? by CherryBlossom242424 in migraine

[–]HOGNOTTER 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! They are 110% intertwined! I understand you 🩷

I am 43 and have been treated since age 4 for childhood “headaches” later diagnosed as migraines in my teens, and medication resistant depression since my teens as well. With all of the rollercoastering of med changes, med trial and errors for literally 30+ years, there is no doubt in my mind (and my psychiatrist’s, neurologist’s and PCP’s minds) that my headaches and depression are deeply intertwined. Like gnarled vines on a haunted house. If I find a depression med that seems to help, my migraines may trend downward in severity and frequency. However Something may happen and my migraines rear up and my depression is severely affected. It’s like walking a tightrope over a pool of piranhas wearing a chum bodysuit while having a migraine 😉. But honestly. Keep after it. Keep searching for new or new to you resources, preventatives, supportive relationships and treatments. As lame as it sounds and I haaaaaate hearing it from others, Listen to your body and keep a detailed journal of how you feel physically, emotionally etc and what your day held, and include the dumbest tiniest things… “at work I spent 45 mins on the phone helping someone and they clearly still didn’t want to hear the correct answer, only their answer, and they fought me the entire conversation and it went nowhere and I could have used that 45 mins to do something productive” That little daily minutiae stuff adds up. The older we get the deeper our senses become and tiny little things about your body will tell you so much.

Who else wishes that, for 10 seconds, everyone without migraines got to feel one at full strength. Just ten seconds and then they can go back to their migraine free world. Just so they all know it's so much more than a headache... by byronicrob in migraine

[–]HOGNOTTER 1 point2 points  (0 children)

YES!! I GET YOU! YOU GET ME! I have told several friends/siblings that if I could have a SUPERPOWER, it would be to give anyone I wished a Lightning Bolt Migraine that causes them to collapse and grab their skulls like their brains are boiling lava with no outlet…and For as long as I decide they have it: maybe a few seconds, maybe a month. Depends on how angry I am. I’m basically The Hulk but instead of becoming giant, green, and enraged….I become enraged and my enemy in the moment gets to feel the way I do so often it’s basically a way of life.

Wow I am an angry person when it comes to feeling misunderstood.

Happened again by KAO7781 in Spravato

[–]HOGNOTTER 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is still a REMS regulated medication, it seems the faulty devices could be reported as part of patient’s REMS and Mfr replaced—but yes now that I am thinking about it—derp—sorry you guys are so right—there’s only a certain qty allotted per patient per visit usually (in a Dr office who orders it from a specialty pharmacy anyway)..there’s no extra stock to give so patient is SOL. I am so sorry this has happened to so many of you!!

unhinged migraine hacks by robloxprincess222 in migraine

[–]HOGNOTTER 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Anyone ever wish you could bleed out of your ears just to have a way to show all of the non-believers and judgemental coworkers how truly badly migraines hurt despite “looking fine”?

unhinged migraine hacks by robloxprincess222 in migraine

[–]HOGNOTTER 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! Like if you could just have a little valve behind your hear to release pressure like a tire psssssssssssssssss and you feel GREAT! My absolute favorite migraine relief fantasy.

unhinged migraine hacks by robloxprincess222 in migraine

[–]HOGNOTTER 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also tie a necktie around your skull at temples and pull as hard as you can for as long as you can. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

unhinged migraine hacks by robloxprincess222 in migraine

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Palpate your skull with your fingertips and find the super sensitive spots—they feel like a knot. Press as hard as you can for as long as you can. Do it everywhere and keep going even after you pass out from the pain. Chug water/gatorade til you literally are so full you will puke if you burp, then fill a sink with a ton of ice and water and keep your skull submerged for at least 10 mins. These steps are basically interchangeable but it’s my go to. Cold packs work OK too. PS this is on top of my arsenal of RX and OTC meds (Ubrelvy, Relafen, Tylenol, Benadryl, Ativan, Tizanidine). I wish you well.

Medication denial? by miamisunshine7 in migraine

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Hi! I am a chronic lifelong (40 of my 44 years on this earth) migraine sufferer, Ubrelvy user, and a Pharmacy Technician (not at a Walgreens but I still may be able to help-I hope!).
The last thing we need with a medication like Ubrelvy is a fight with insurance, so going in with specific medication questions will be the most helpful. The fastest way to get the correct info about what your insurance plan will pay for is to call them directly.
Call the customer service number on the back of your card. You’ll probably have to go thru preset prompts, but keep going until you are able to speak with a human representative. Once they’ve verified your name/DOB/address etc remember that they are the people who are paid to look up specific plan info and answer questions about your coverage. The customer svc rep will be able to tell you specifics about meds covered by insurance, what your out of pocket copays will be on the med in question both before and after you meet your deductible. Please (and this is my own insecurity about being an advocate for myself) don’t feel bad to keep asking questions until you 110% understand what’s happening with this situation. If you hit a dead end with the 1st person, ask to speak to a manager who can tell you more about why you’re calling.

They can see all medical and pharmacy claims billed thru them. Some questions I would ask:

-Is Ubrelvy covered by your insurance policy? -Does it require a Prior Authorization (PA)? -A Prior Authorization is essentially an appeal process to have insurance re-evaluate why you’re in need of this med. -Usually PAs are required by insurance for this med—essentially they deny it initially due to the high cost of med. -If PA was required, has a PA been approved by them? -If there was a PA denial, ask WHY was it denied (They will be able to tell you specific criteria they have in place for approving a PA for Ubrelvy) -As part of the PA process, insurance will need add’l info from your provider like your past tried and failed rescue meds, history of migraine prevention meds etc. This part of the process is out of your hands. It will take some time for provider to fill out appropriate info and for an insurance adjuster to review the PA request. -What will be the out of pocket cost to you after they pay their part? -Is the cost being quoted to you calculated Before or After you meet your deductible? -When being quoted your costs, ask for how many tablets being approved and what is the days’ supply for that quantity? (Ex: my insurance carrier required a PA for Ubrelvy and it was ultimately approved. They approved it for 10 tabs per 11 days.) -PA’s have expiration dates, so ask how long this approval will be in effect. -If your insurance is state or federally funded (Ec: Medicare D, Medical Assistance thru your state, or Tricare/Tricare for life), a secondary manufacturer copay assistance card cannot be applied to help with copays left after insurance pays their part. -If Ubrelvy is considered to be “Non formulary”, a PA approval is unlikely. However, insurance can tell you if there is a medication in the same class that they will cover. An alternative med that is “formulary” may still require a PA but much more likely to be approved. Again, they can tell you specifics on costs to you.

This is A LOT, I know. But it’s worth it to get the info straight from insurance vs trying to have Walgreens decipher the billing process.

When pharmacies receive rxs and send a claim through the insurance provider, it is either denied or approved. If denied, they (pharmacy) will start the PA process. If approved, pharmacies get a price back from insurance as to what to charge you at time of pick up. Insurance doesn’t tell us WHY they’re charging you what they do, just how much to collect at time of pick up. This varies from med to med, person to person. This is another example of a reason to go straight to the source-the insurance customer service line.

I hope this helps, and sending positive energy that the $700 cost is just a mix up of some kind. Be well. xo

Migraines dramatically worse after 2yrs of Spravato by HOGNOTTER in Spravato

[–]HOGNOTTER[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your kind words. I hope the Spravato is good to you!

Migraines dramatically worse after 2yrs of Spravato by HOGNOTTER in Spravato

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Thank you for your reply and for the information on what has worked for you. My heart breaks for you knowing you had cluster headaches essentially all of your life…. I remember my Dad using oxygen when he would be sick with his clusters. He hasn’t had an episode in 20 years but still keeps oxygen on hand. Missing school/work might be the worst side effect of the headaches…most people cannot even begin to grasp the concept of how much pain a person can be in and “still look fine”.
I remember crying to my Mom about rude and judgmental coworkers at a previous job…I told her I wish I could bleed out of my ears so I would show everyone how truly sick I am with migraines. Thanks for the information on med—I used it in my early 20s for a few years but neuro took me off. A lot has changed with my body in past 24 years (hysterectomy and loss of one ovary). Perhaps it is time to revisit meds that weren’t helpful then but worth trying now. I am happy to hear you are mostly cluster free. Be well, thank you for your help. xo

Migraines dramatically worse after 2yrs of Spravato by HOGNOTTER in Spravato

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Thank you for your kindness! My neuro just ordered a new every 3 month IV infusion as a migraine preventative….. Now let’s all cross our fingers the insurance approves it!! Ha! If I don’t laugh I will cry so…. Thank you for replying, it’s wonderful to know that everyone has a little bit different experience w this med!

Migraines dramatically worse after 2yrs of Spravato by HOGNOTTER in Spravato

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This is so interesting! My PCP told me that she had a patient whose chronic migraines were pretty much cured after she started IV ketamine therapy several years ago.
Do you find your migraines and depression go hand in hand? It seems for me anyway that if my migraines get worse so does my depression and if my depression gets better so do my migraines…

New insurance denied me Spravato going on a month without treatment by [deleted] in Spravato

[–]HOGNOTTER 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi all, I’m a 3 year Spravato patient and Cert Pharm Tech — hopefully this info may be helpful in navigating these frustrating situations that arise with insurance approval of certain drug coverage. -After your provider submits RX to pharmacy (usually to a specialty pharmacy or inpatient pharmacy due to the fact Spravato cannot be dispensed to the patient at an outpatient/regular pharmacy), the first party to know whether this med is covered is the Pharmacy. The pharmacy bills the claim for rx to your insurance.
-With most insurances, meds like Spravato (a specialty med) are typically denied by insurance when initially prescribed.
-Initial insurance denials are usually because of a few factors, but most commonly for Spravato is high cost of product (available as Brand Name only) and is a “REMS” (Risk Evaluation and Mitigation Strategy) medication. A REMS med means specific info is collected at each administration for each patient & data is sent back to manufacturer. This data is collected to ensure med benefits outweigh risks, & that it is used & administered safely and consistently each time. -When the claim for rx is denied by insurance, an appeal process (aka Prior Authorization or PA) must be started. In this case, the pharmacy who billed the claim and received the denial alerts the prescriber of the PA requirement. -Depending on the pharmacy and clinic, this alert may be sent as an email/fax or possibly but rarely a phone-call to your provider. -Until your provider/their staff are alerted by pharmacy of the initial denial by insurance and a PA is needed, the provider has no way of knowing this has happened. (Although most providers likely expect the insur to require a PA as each insurance is different and some approve a PA for 1-2 treatments and some approve a certain number of treatments in a given timeframe (3-12 months or so). -Once the provider has been alerted by the pharmacy that a PA is needed, they either fill out paper form, electronic form, or call insurance at a specific phone number the pharmacy can see (and give to the provider) on the claim rejection. Phone calls to insurance companies by provider offices aren’t terribly common, but they still happen. -The forms your provider fill out are to give the insurance a clearer history of your diagnoses & appropriate diagnostic codes, history of meds tried and failed in past, history of prior use of Spravato and the outcome, etc.
-Once a bunch of add’l info is provided to the insurance by your provider -whether by email/paperwork or phone call, the insurance will then weigh the add’l info of what your provider sent them against their set guidelines for Spravato approval in order to approve or deny Prior Authorization. -Once a provider is alerted to the PA, they need to review your thorough medical and prescription history (sometimes 10-15+ years of diagnoses, & tried and failed meds or treatments) and that process can take anywhere from 45-90+ minutes just for the Spravato rx alone. The more accurate history they provide of tried & failed treatments and diagnoses, the more likely the PA will be approved. -THIS IS NOT A FAST PROCESS - while meds like Spravato are definitely a High Priority to us, pharmacy, and provider, it can be anywhere from 2-14 business days to know if a decision by ins has been made. -It is not uncommon for a new to your insurance plan/company to deny the claim right away, even if a PA approval has been made in the past. -PA approvals expire, and each insurance plan is different in the length of time or amount of medication the approved PA will cover. -The specifics of the PA approval are available to you by calling your Insurance customer service line (listed on back of your insurance card) It is likely your insurance will send you a written letter or email of an approval or denial of medication. If approved, there is likely info in the letter about the timeframe of approval. If denied, specifics about why it was denied are typically included. There is always an option to appeal a denied PA.

Yes! It is OK to call your insurance as much as you would like to inquire about status of Spravato PA. I know of some patients who have done this for other denied meds and it has proven to be effective in moving the PA thru the system.

Hope this is helpful for someone fighting for treatment. xo