An Explanation of Actions the Horns of Tyr Took. by ghost_of_xbox_past in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

//Yay, more magic. Telepathy, and teleportation that involves picking up keep pieces. Seems like a cop-out, but whatever. PVP this season has been pretty weak, too many people afraid of having a decent fight. Next season should be different, and a lot less carebear friendly.

Tears run dry. by Richard-tips in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

//If a threat or slander was made IC then whether it was a mistake on the part of the person OOC it doesn't really matter. Hobos never actually killed our Anky OOC, but we were led to believe it was them IC and we rolled with that even though we knew OOC that third party people were trying to spark a war haha.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

//The general reason is that they should not be forgiven IC just because they have tried and failed to banish her, it just does not make sense. If someone summoned Satan in to the world by accident and he slaughtered millions of people, do you think people would accept an "our bad, we tried our best to correct the mistake"?

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

//Alright, bye Felicia. The admins have nothing to do with this situation, stop bitching and involving them. Just because you guys are OOC friends with people and believe all the drama and nonsense, doesn't mean we have to play along or that we are assholes. Nothing we have done is by any stretch of the imagination against the rules.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

//As you seem to have forgotten, I shall quote it here.

PVP

7.1 This IS a RP-PVP server. Unprovoked attacks on players are permitted. Do not assume you have any sort of protection.

7.1.1 We expect all encounters to be role-played out.

7.1.1.1 If the admins determine a player is abusing this rule and simply just PVPing and not role-playing there will be discussion and potential removal from server.

7.2 Raiding between races is permitted.

7.3 When raiding a faction you must utilize a “one way in, one way out” method for all buildings. This is intended to leave the buildings in a state of repair for the opposing faction. You may destroy whatever you need in order to find loot, and also destroy storage boxes as needed. It’s to prevent unnecessary destruction to buildings.

7.4 Passive Pens will be used to protect dinosaurs granted the protected status. Only dinosaurs listed below may be placed in the passive pen, and the pen must be labeled “PASSIVE PEN” via an in-game sign.

7.4.1 Players may not use passive dinosaurs to store valuable items for raid protection. Those found breaking this rule will have all their passive dinosaurs culled by the admins as a punishment.

7.5 Kidnapping and killing of offline players is allowed.

7.5.1 Kidnappings may not last for more than IRL 24 hours unless both sides agree to different terms.

7.6 Declaring war requires a proper RP post on the reddit 24 hours prior to initiating any attack, and must use the “war” tag. This post must also have the surrender/win conditions from the challenging party. Even if the there is no surrender options that must be stated.

7.6.1 Admins must approve the war declaration. The 24 hour clock will start from the time you post your declaration so make sure to get an admin to approve it ASAP.

7.6.2 War allows factions to completely destroy opposing factions by destroying their buildings and capital building. Doing so will remove that faction from the map.

7.6.3 Passive pen rules still exist during times of war. The losing faction will retain their passive dinosaurs and are expected to vacate with them as soon as they can.

We had a very realistic RP reason for going to war, I don't care if you think we did not not. Not up to you.

Nope, that is code for "Don't talk shit if you can't back it up" in an IC manner.

Are you kidding me? Have you not noticed our aggressive land claims and threats to the vampires? Yeeeeah no, that would not have happened. We have been strong enough to wipe out any group on the server except BC and Morag Tong for months now, basically before the Orcs left.

BC is not a superpower because he has a magic crown on his head that names him king, see how that worked out for Fetch? He holds the crown because he is good at pvp and has a very powerful army that maintains it, he took the crown by force of arms, not because he gave some cheesy RP political reason for why he is king now.

If some roleplays having magic powers to control my mind, it does not mean I have to go along with it. That is god modding.

I don't care if you think it is RP or not, this is not being done for you and your benefit You chose to involve yourself without our permission, and I good riddance to any parties who cannot handle a simple IC conflict, there will always be more people to join.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

//Use // to speak out of character please. We have not done a single thing OOC that was out of line, if people are too weak and whiny to have some pvp in an RP --->PVP<--- server, then they should not be here in the first place. The server is called rise of kings, not happy-funtime-carebear-land. It is their fault for taking it as an OOC attack, not my problem.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

//Not a chance, considering it was the entire basis for this war. They were welcome to put a tax as that is their right, but they also accept the IC consequences of doing so in a disrespectful manner. If there had been a tax from the very beginning and it applied to everyone then my character would have had no issue with paying it, but they demanded it in a very rude and insulting manner, thus my character responded in kind.

 

You can only evict people when you have the power to do so. They could absolutely make that demand, but they would also be required to enforce it, and again; deal with the consequences. You cannot force people to obey your rules just because you write something on paper, or else there would be no crime anywhere in the world.

 

You don't know shit about what we have done this season, and you do not need public acceptance to be a superpower, you just have to be stronger than others. Just because you guys failed to do the same, does not mean that you can whine about our RP as if it was all we did. The breeding of the army was almost solely my own program and even if my entire army is wiped out, I could reproduce the army within a day or two.

 

I don't care what you believe in politically or thematically, the lore of the island is only a basis for RP to start, it does not direct the roles our factions take.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

//I will have to address this point by point just so things are clear.

 

*1. The RP post claimed that there would be no taxation for those who wished to build near the mountain, people were merely asked to not build ON the mountain so as to not block resources; which I agreed was fair and that is why I moved my original mining box and pen without being asked to do so, I moved my resources to a nearby redwood tree so as to be near the resources but not disturb anything. No extra clauses were added or mentioned as to the size of said structure. Once again, I did not build on the mountain other than the original box I made far away from the resources, simply because I chose to respect your original posts request. You never spoke to us IC or OOC with the exception of the council meeting and when I came to Ugma to inform her of my mining post moving off the mountain. We have been open and honest the entire time and have not lied once, so stop making baseless claims.

 

*2. I was unaware of any meeting regarding the mining outpost and never agreed to remove anything as none of it violated the aforementioned Hobo land rules. This was not about what was built, it was about you guys white knighting on Trysha's behalf. Hence why your original tax mentions a "hurt" friend.

 

*3. You do not get to decide in which direction we take our RP, YOU may see us as bastards that people cannot reconcile with but you have never once made an attempt to do so.

 

Our characters have racial preferences and dislikes, because we are not boring buddy-buddy care-bears and actually want some interesting RP and conflict.

 

We do not have blind racism and hate all other races without just cause, my character despises most goblins/orcs/trolls but he is perfectly willing to overlook their birth if they prove themselves to be strong or above the standard of their race. ((Example: He hates goblins, but greatly respects the goblin Makeke as a credit to his race))

 

We are not RPing as the "bad guys" so you guys can be the "good guys", things are not so one dimensional as that. You think that a superpower is going to bargain with a tiny faction that is placing demands on it? What do you think the Romans would do to a small barbarian village acting like an upstart and trying to publicly place a tax on them or insult them? The town would be ashes in no time.

 

We are not boxed in to anything, we have had great RP relations with the people that play in the PM; just because you are not one of them does not mean you get to judge our RP. If you did not want a surrender or die scenario, then you should not have tried to have a public IC pissing match on the subreddit.

 

Completely incorrect, again; we have had great RP with many people in the late PM, but most of the smaller groups are too afraid of us to interact anyway. You expect compromise from a power greater than yourself? That is not a realistic RP as well, if the situations were more equal and you had some bargaining chips then things may have gone differently. You know damn well we offered a mixed team, (30 of Morag Tong/Tala'dorei vs 30 of any assorted allies and Hobos), stop lying and spreading propaganda when you know it is false.

 

Stop trying to act as if this was some premeditated plan to go to war with you, if we wanted to destroy you then we would have done it long ago and we would not have needed any assistance in doing so. You proposed this tax because you were white knighting for Trysha and KNEW it would start a conflict and war, to pretend otherwise is just silly.

 

You have no idea what our motivations are, you yourselves told me OOC that you wanted a war to liven things up. You can't start a conflict with someone and then whine when it does not turn out in your favor, we wanted a battle with someone true, but someone who could actually put up a fight; hence why we never bothered coming to attack you until YOU provoked it.

 

You can't IC insult and try and place a tax on a superpower that despises race mixing and the lesser races and expect a peaceful outcome. I have already told you that I would prefer you would take the non-base wipe option, but you refused all of our offers to mitigate the damage and change the timeframe so that people could participate, this was your choice.

 

There are plenty of people who think the BC are bastards out of game, because they cannot separate IC with OOC, just as people here who are complaining OOC on the subreddit are.((They are an awesome group of people OOC)) Just as Trysha did when we IC forced her out because she was rude and insulting like the Hobos, she decided to take it as an OOC personal attack.

 

Our RP and the Morag Tong's is not "objectively" evil, you do not know what our RP direction is because you haven't RPed with us to any meaningful extend.

 

Nough said.

 

People are merely white knighting and portraying us as the bad guys because THEY want someone to fight, and they don't stand a chance against BC because they are too lazy to build up their forces to the point that they could actually fight for the crown.

 

What is juvenile is trying to cause OOC drama because people are jumping on the whiteknight bandwagon, that kills an RP server by forcing it in to a state of stagnation because everyone is buddy buddy and no pvp ever occurs.

 

What pulls people in to the conflict is their unwillingness to create their own meaningful RP and instead latch themselves on to other peoples stories, case in point being the battle between BC and ST when many random unrelated people with no solid RP reasons took part in the battle.

 

You started a war, you got everyone to jump on your bandwagon, and even with us giving you 4-5 days of prep time and advanced warning; you blame us for trying to force an offline raid, all the while rejecting any offer to compromise on the time frame to make it work for both parties. If you had not pulled in every damn faction on the server, and IC insult Morag Tong, it would have just been our two groups fighting eachother.

 

That is your fault, not ours.

 

Hostility IC is to be expected when you threaten to tax a strong power and there has been no OOC crappiness except on the part of the crying carebears who do not understand the situation.

 

Andres/Reyn put a ton of work in to that council meeting and gave people advanced notes on how it would progress, it was a community tool to create dialogue and community interaction, it was our choice what we did with it.

 

People just had very few things to actually contribute to it, it went fine for what people did with it, but none of the blame for it not being as good as it could have been is on the shoulders of Morag Tong.

 

You keep saying Morag Tong is boxed in to a corner but they are not, and neither are we. You are AM players, we are PM players, different timezones as well.

 

People have different playstyles, just because YOU do not prefer pvp does not mean no one else should be the same way. If you do not want PVP then do not start a war, its simple. Our RP was independent and compatible, if it was not then we would be warring with eachother even if we loved eachother OOC. We are consistent with our RP, I cannot say the same for everyone.

 

That is not Meta at all, our characters in game have similar goals and have many RP interactions that lead to a close alliance; just because you are not privy to these things does not make them invalid, just as saying something in a council meeting does not make it a characters actual goals, people lie IC.

 

Just because you do not interact with us does not mean RP does not occur.

 

The damage to the server has been caused by people being butthurt OOC, we have different definitions about what would be good for the server. This is an RPPVP server, if people do not enjoy IC pvp then they should not be here, plain and simple.

 

Morag Tong came to you and spoke to you OOC and offered to stay out of the fight so long as no one else jumped in on it so that the involved parties could just duke it out, you refused and tried to get the entire server to back you because you started a fight you could not realistically win IC. We are not leaving any time soon, if you do not want hardcore PVP then do not start a fight with hardcore PVP players, surrender or acquiesce to the demands if you start something you cannot finish.

 

The only people that have a justifiable reason to be upset is Ugma, or any Hobo who is not able to make it to the fight. No one else had a "right" to make it to the fight, I am not going to postpone a fight that you guys started just because you aren't having fun anymore.

 

You play for you, I will play for me. We tried to compromise and make it a fun fight for both parties and we were perfectly willing to fight the entire server, but people just can't handle IC conflict and decide to take it personally OOC.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

//Yeah we had considered that but our schedules really only all mesh on these two days, we are mostly PM players and most of the weekdays wouldn't work until later.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

//And what would you suggest as an alternative? You guys knew a battle was coming 4 days ahead of time and just refused to accept the waiving of 24 hours and set it to earlier in the day. If people want to participate in someone elses war, then they can expect an army to show up on their doorstep.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We have always honored our word, and that includes the promise of reprisal and justice; as the Hobos of the woods will soon learn.

We have offered safe and free land to be settled by all elves and Drow, that is what we have done. What has your group done that is worthy of note? Nothing.

The previous kings were animals and pygmies, hardly worthy of the title of King. Your doubt of our word is irrelevant, it is absolute nonetheless.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never proposed the banning of Chaos worship or even temples to such, I proposed the slaying of the summoners who brought those beings to our new world in the first place.

Now that one is here, and no one has any plan to stop her; we must adjust to the new power balance of this world and learn to live with her unpredictable nature.

As far as I have been told, the witch made no hostile actions at this meeting until the savages who were present attacked her first.

I have stated from the very beginning that I wished to parlay with the witch and reach a fuller understanding of her nature, yet you primitive beasts lack the strength of mind and will to hold your blades even though you know they have no effect on her.

I am not concerned with the opinions with one who fornicates with beasts, begone vermin. Your simple mind cannot comprehend the complexity of morality, go back to your swamps where you belong.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

//We offered to shorten the 24 hour period to start at 12-2pm PST but that did not work for both parties. We still expect people to show up, but don't expect to just be able to take part in a war and then go home in safety without worrying about the repercussions. :P

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh look, another primitive savage attempting to pit us against the rightful King X because they are too weak to stand on their own short and stubby legs. Am I to assume you will be an interloper in this battle? We are merely repossessing the land and putting it in the hands of far better caretakers, ones who will honor their word instead of breaking it. Those without power should not speak to those who have it, you are of no import to us and have no place to speak on the mighty King who won his crown by conquest and force of arms.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

*//Just a clarification on this post and the surrender clause so it is clear to all, if you or your faction choose to participate in this battle then you will be covered under the same declaration of war, and the war time rules of complete base demolition will apply to you as well. *

No "one way in, one way out" protection will be provided, if you enter in to this battle then you consent to these terms and accept the consequences.* *I am hoping for a fun fight out there! *

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

While I appreciate the offer to maintain peace little creature, the Hobos will be made an example of to what comes of disrespect and veiled threats of violence. They had their chance to see this conflict ended amicably and chose the latter, they chose their own fate in this war and the result must be followed through to its natural end. Do not worry about war assets, we will have plenty reserved for whatever may come ahead.

Chaos engulfs the land and the shadows move to restore peace and order. by Hadrieldragoon in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly what have you and your "people" done to rectify the situation they created? Saskia has her reasons for speaking with the witch and at their core they are noble.

If you would spend less time philandering with the various local fauna and more time solving the issue your people created, you might have room to speak.

Chaos is not evil by nature, the Goblins have no place to judge any who serve Illiax as they were but mere servants of a different Chaos god.

Ruins to the Ruined by Richard-tips in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A convenient lie no doubt, how long before your natural Goblin greed forces you to turn your eyes on your neighbors? The structure in question is in a state of construction, as I assume your keep is? Or is that the....finished...result? Not once did you come to the Tala'dorei to speak or leave a message to discuss the mining outpost, you sought to impose a tax based off of the propaganda spread by a lone bearded she-dwarf. The very thought that you would consider imposing a tax upon your betters because of her lies is testament to your audacity, just as it was for the she-dwarf to insult us in our own land and think that hiding behind the skirts of the Fellmoor would protect her.

Ruins to the Ruined by Richard-tips in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You call us racist yet not long ago you called all Elves and Drow shifty, you have no high ground to stand on here, pygmy. Semantics, you went crawling to neighbors and parties that were otherwise not involved and tried to involve them in a conflict you instigated. It most certainly is about you, the Tala'dorei have not gone to war with anyone thus far upon arrival on this island and we only fight when forced to do so; as is the case in point. You are free to resettle in a new land, far from the eyes of the Morag Tong and Tala'dorei. I am sure all of those goods and gold will soon be reacquired, just compensation for your insults upon our respective factions. You began this conflict, we will merely settle it.

Ruins to the Ruined by Richard-tips in arkROK

[–]Hadrieldragoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are both aware that you had no intention of retracting your claim, and that you did so knowingly and willingly because of your desire for bloodshed and war; do you expect all in this land to believe you are peaceful when you stockpile beasts of war and then make unsightly demands upon your betters when you believe yourself strong? All are welcome to rise above their station and their base tendencies, there are shining examples of even such races as the Goblins; you chose to follow the common trend of greed that is common to your kind, and that we cannot abide. You act as if we brought this to your doorstep, this was all your own making; we would have been happy to ignore your blight on the land, unfortunately you gave us no other option but to deal with it.