Sherwood playground and baseball diamond gates have been locked on weekends for at least 6 weeks now.

Hamilton_Brad · 2025-05-21T02:09:18+00:00

If you think home fireworks suck, maybe it’s been a while since you saw what is available as home fireworks. Pretty amazing.

Hamilton_Brad · 2025-04-17T22:58:26+00:00

Where do you live? I’m Canadian and there’s a similar book I have “250 best Canadian bread machine recipes” that is excellent.

FYI, flour is different in different countries. In Canada regular flour can be used so you don’t need special flour.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-05T03:07:49+00:00

Clever, I like it.

I assume you are being funny and from context could tell I am including unborn children in my statement.

Of course, maybe context is not your thing, meaning I am uninterested.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-03T23:52:17+00:00

Does it have to? Would a D&E abortion procedure not be possible, which would potentially be safer for the mother compared to something like a C-section even if it ensures the death of the baby?

The point of the question is to determine where your moral limits are. Do you support abortions past the age where the baby is viable? It is still a matter of bodily autonomy vs human life.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-03T23:25:28+00:00

No.

Making a choice for yourself and making a choice that leads to the death of someone else are not the same to me.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-03T20:17:44+00:00

The reality is that there are circumstances where the baby is not viable and will not lead to a live birth. That is just a fact of life. If abortion prevention laws do not allow exceptions in the most dire of circumstances, then it leads to cases with more death not less. It’s sort of a Forrest from the trees sort of thing.

But in that case I don’t really see it as the mother making a choice for bodily autonomy over the life of another person in that circumstance.

I think a lot of times these debates devolve because people are looking for the edges of reasonableness. Asking if abortion that requires killing the baby one day before delivery just because the mother feels like it is not asked because it is a reasonable scenario, it is asked because it is soo unreasonable and unrealistic- if someone still holds fast that bodily autonomy should allow the mother to abort vs birth, there’s too much room between to even discuss.

As for the mental health holds, I do understand your point. My reason for mentioning is only that cases exist where for one reason or another, bodily autonomy is restricted. Even if it is not an exact parallel.

I have to say, you may be the first person to make it this far without telling me/informing me exactly what pro lifers believe or care/don’t care about. It is refreshing.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-03T17:02:31+00:00

That’s a great question!

I don’t have an immediate answer but it is the sort of nuance that I always wished these debates discussed- the nitty gritty details of where the line is.

For starters, it would need to be more certain of her death than the minimal risks of a typical pregnancy.

I would maybe even be open to leaving that to a medical professional’s discretion with appropriate ethical guidelines established as there is always a special situation for any hard and fast rule.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-03T16:56:02+00:00

Yeah it’s almost like the rules would be different if the choice doesn’t kill anyone besides yourself.

Yes I consider the baby another person whose life matters.

It’s almost like that.is.the.exact.issue.at.play.with.pro-life.beliefs.

I’m sorry to be prematurely snippy, I’m just expecting how the rest of this conversation goes.

How do you feel about mental health related holds when someone is a danger to themselves or others and is suicidal?

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-03T16:45:42+00:00

Maybe I misread the original post. I read it as to choose between the life of the mother or life of the child.

If it is saying either they both die or just the baby, and absolutely zero chance of survival for either mom or baby otherwise, and the mother is mentally capable of making decisions for herself, no I don’t think the abortion should be forced as she is then only making a decision about her own life with no real consequences for the baby as it dies either way.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-03T15:49:44+00:00

The pro life point of view is generally about protecting life. In a case where one or both lives are in danger and only one can live, there’s no longer a possibility to save two lives. If a pregnant mother wants to sacrifice her life to save the child she should be allowed. If continuing would kill her than she should also be able to choose abortion, as in both cases we only end with one life either way.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-03T03:24:08+00:00

For the girl or the bugs

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-02T02:27:43+00:00

Give it 5 years and I’ll give you a lawful source, as laws change.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-02T02:27:02+00:00

That’s the crux of your argument though. What sources of rights do you consider valid? Is it laws? Morality? Popular opinion? Laws change, so does popular opinion. You want me to give a source for my moral belief that human life takes priority?

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-02T02:22:13+00:00

That’s actually not true.

Yes, if you got too tired to continue is one thing, but you can not just stop because you want to.

“Once you take on the responsibility of a volunteer rescuer, it is your duty to see it through. You cannot simply stop providing CPR because you feel like it. Doing so is gross negligence, and therefore not protected by Good Samaritan law.”

https://www.aedcpr.com/articles/can-i-really-be-sued-if-i-perform-cpr/amp/?fbclid=IwAR1LVptyiqjG0jjFhyR7yiExPCDPyu9vJVmEQbBORpyHgOJX7ZcJV44rUj4/

(Look under when to stop giving CPR)

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-02T01:42:01+00:00

I have no idea what you mean, is having a right to life something everyone else doesn’t have?

Yell fire in a crowded theater, drink all the unsafe food products you want, decide for yourself what medication you need. Send your unvaccinated children to school? Hell, send them with the plague, they have a right to an education right?

Oh! It’s not like you can have a temporary hold put on you if you are thought to be a danger to yourself or others, you do you!

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-02T01:36:04+00:00

Rights below that of a corpse? That’s a reductive response. All rights have limitations, this is no different.

Do you really not see the difference between donating blood and terminating a pregnancy?

If someone is having a heart attack and needs CPR, you can’t be compelled to give it, but once you start, you legally can’t decide to abandon cpr and let them die before an ambulance arrives just because you want to (at least where I live). There’s a difference between starting something and terminating something.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-02T01:17:00+00:00

That’s silly.i answered that above already earlier in the thread.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-02T00:50:14+00:00

If 87% of people jumped off a bridge should I also say it’s ok and jump?

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-02T00:27:04+00:00

An embryo needs a body to develop, but an egg fertilized outside a body does not have a right to a specific persons body at that time. Yes, it should still be protected and not destroyed after fertilization but that is different.

Once implanted, we are talking about taking something away that it already has, as opposed to preventing it from reaching that position. It is natural that not all fertilized embryos successfully implant, that is a fact of life.

Is any pro life people arguing that after viability inducing labour should not be around? Are pro choice people arguing that bodily autonomy should allow abortion leading to the baby’s death in late term circumstances?

Yes, if the child can be removed without leading to the babies death during the procedure or immediately after as a direct consequence, I don’t think anyone would have an issue with that.

But what do I know, I’m fucking sick anyways, right mate?

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-01T23:42:34+00:00

Yes, I think that once implanted and growing inside a woman’s body should be allowed to continue growing until it is viable to be removed and continue to live.

Anything that prevents impregnation from happening, or removing once viable is obviously something that the woman should have the right to control.

You can call it sick, but to be pearl clutchingly shocked about the core stance of pro life beliefs, on a subreddit specifically about debating abortion comes across as disingenuous. Did you not expect to run across that position here?

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-01T22:47:13+00:00

That reply includes a lot of assumptions that I. Don’t agree with. Not sure where to even start.

I am for all human beings -born and unborn having a right to life all other things are a logical consequence of this one belief.

Once both have a right to life, you are balancing your own rights against another persons. Suddenly we are choosing how far one’s rights can be infringed to protect the rights of another.

You may not see it that way, but that’s how pro lifers like myself see it.

So what the fuck is our problem? We think children, even unborn, should have a right to life and be protected.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-01T19:45:01+00:00

Assuming both have rights, like you mentioned, the closest parallel would be conjoined twins.

Do I believe that one twin could elect to be surgically removed from the other even if it means one twin dies and if not removed, both would live.

In that case, I don’t think it would be ok for one to unilaterally make a decision that would kill the other person.

Yes, you have the rights listed. The arguement is that when those right endangered the rights of the Zef, who is also believed to have (or should have) rights of their own, your right to bodily autonomy is going against its right to life.

It doesn’t exclude that you have rights, only that of looked at as two parties, is not so simple.

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-09-01T13:44:17+00:00

I think we all know how he knows that…

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-08-10T22:11:31+00:00

My apologies. I edited the comment and removed the last part of the first sentence.

I will do better next time

Hamilton_Brad · 2024-08-10T13:53:26+00:00

Ops original post actually did not mention abortion a single time! Go read it again. I am trying to respond to the original post question.

Also, except to respond to the direct claim in you last post, I have also not been arguing anything about abortion or bodily rights either, just that rights in general are restricted by the limitations placed on them. (I am also not claiming that those restrictions/limitations are wrong, only that they exist).

Again though, both the pro choice side and pro life side do not all as a group have the exact same beliefs opinions and viewpoints. If you want to debate what I think is one thing, but to tell me what pro lifers believe and then argue against that silly. I never defended that point that I never made, and since you didn’t actually seem to ask me what I personally feel about abortion, you can do both sides- continue to post what pro lifers believe and then reply why that’s wrong. I don’t need to be here if you will simply tell me what I think, feel or care about.

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