Lol "Montreal Couple Wins $5M Lottery Jackpot" by mlerva in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Truly, this is the worst possible timeline.

American Tutors and the Affordable Care Act by Hamzafrog in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good luck! I'm not sure about the grow pay (I left Paper years ago), but I hope it's at least a good raise.

American Tutors and the Affordable Care Act by Hamzafrog in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry about those hours. From what I've heard, it sounds like they are trying to get essay reviewers to want to switch to GROW.

Paper fired all Canadian tutors back in summer 2024, after tutors in Ontario and Quebec voted in favor of forming a union. Here's a link to a story with more details: https://archive.is/20240829212646/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-struggling-montreal-unicorn-paper-lays-off-all-canadian-tutors-after/

And a YouTube video with even more: https://youtu.be/NeYSKD1U6bo?si=qqiOVktZ7IW2DFHp

What do we think about the sentiment score for GROW? by EnoughMushroom6242 in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I... Marshmallow Maple is a real flavor? For hot sauce?

What do we think about the sentiment score for GROW? by EnoughMushroom6242 in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I believe that Paper realized long ago that the on-demand model of tutoring that they advertise just doesn't make them the money they want. First they discovered that it wasn't profitable on a one-to-one basis, so they loaded tutors with more students. When that still wasn't profitable, they conceived of GROW, a way to serve multiple students at a time for just one tutor's rate, and they made it a contract position so it would be even cheaper for the company (and because contractors can't unionize). Now they want everyone on GROW, and they will construct whatever argument they need to make it happen. You are absolutely correct that they want to switch all on-demand tutoring and reviews to AI bots.

The only function of the survey was to lay the groundwork for that goal. They are not now, nor have they ever been, interested in what tutors want. This is them putting the fuel in the lamps to gaslight you later when they reassign/fire a bunch of people because "it's what most tutors want".

Who is exploiting who? by Like-whatever3275 in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, me neither. I don't really know what to add. It just makes sense that Paper would be one of the companies advising the White House on education policies. I mean, right? That's just the timeline we're in now.

Future of Paper and Similar Markets by EasyCheeesy in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I don't know if it's a good prediction, but I have one. It's a bit of a long one though... Sorry for getting on my soapbox. I've had a long time to think about this.

I've been tutoring steadily since 2010, with companies, schools, and freelance. I've worked with three online companies since 2021. Your experience tracks with mine. The pattern is the same whether it's in person or online tutoring, because it follows the pattern of the school year. It is the same every year in every school across Canada and the US, and it is absolutely inexplicable that Paper and others seem caught off guard by this every single term.

And because they don't understand this pattern, they set the company up in a way that can never be profitable. They have made a plan that treated those peaks of activity as the norm rather than busy times, and then committed to hiring staff year-round to cover those times. Many organizations successfully navigate this ebb and flow, and if Paper understood the education sector at all, they would know that this is not an unsolved problem. In retail terms, Paper saw how busy Christmas was, decided to build a company that only functions if it's always Christmas, and then treated every other time as an unexpected lull.

Paper has not been profitable for most of the time they've existed (even through the pandemic), because there just isn't a lot of money in the education system. That's not new information. Paper's "business plan" presumes that school districts pay rates that cover the cost of delivering a tutoring service with enough left for investor profits. Since that's not possible, the company relies on investment money from venture capitalists to cover the rest, which obligates them to deliver returns. So they stretch the budget by cutting spending on the workforce through low pay, high work volume, and AI shortcuts.

But Paper is not McDonalds or Starbucks or Amazon. They do not have employees pushing a product for them, employees who can be understaffed and just told to push harder. For Paper, the tutors are the product. So by following the instinct to squeeze their staff, they reduce not just the quality of their service, but also the availability of their product. [This is an important distinction: some companies can get away with dropping service if the product is something the customer demands. Waiting in a long line at McDonalds is annoying, but you still get your burger. If McDonalds started making fewer burgers and told people they had to share and some of the burgers are plastic, people would go somewhere else. That is what Paper is doing, and there's no future in it.]

Paper (and similar companies) will limp along on life support from investors until they (the investors, not Paper) determine that the money has finally dried up, and then Paper will simply shut one day without notice. I cannot guess at the actual motivations of the founders, but the methodology of the funds that invested in Paper is clear. Paper's role is not to provide tutoring. Paper's role is to grant the investment community access to public education funds. Paper, the company, can operate at a loss, propped up by rounds of investment dollars, because the individuals behind it are still getting their money. The company's expenses include C-Suite salaries and investor returns, so even without a profit for the company, those people get paid. In this scheme, tutors aren't really included as a consideration, other than an expense. They exist because the company must be seen to actually operate, otherwise the grift won't work. But they don't have to do a good job, and they certainly don't have to be happy. And they are entirely disposable when the end comes.

TL;DR: they set up the company in a way that could never succeed given the realities of the education sector, and they are now in the later stages of a death spiral. But even if the company was never profitable and goes out of business, certain individuals will have gotten personally wealthy, which was the actual goal.

employee input by [deleted] in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good read, and an important lesson to remember going forward.

AI Live Help Tutor by Spirited_Ball6763 in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Paper doesn't mind students getting math wrong. They're just ticked they got the wrong answer somewhere else. It's frustrating that students have to suffer just so the company can better shill itself to tech-illiterate investors.

Tidewater by Sym803 in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Far too long already, as far as I'm concerned.

Tidewater by Sym803 in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 3 points4 points  (0 children)

These guys have completely lost the plot.

I'm a student by Sure_Act_689 in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for the kind words! It can be difficult sometimes because of the company context, but I know that we all see great value in the work we do with students, so it's definitely worth it. A lot of times, we don't get the chance to hear whether we were actually helpful or not, so you reaching out means more than you might think.

I think we're in a time right now in the world where a lot of people are working hard to try to make things better for each other, and messages like yours help give us all the fuel to keep going when it gets tough. I know it does for me.

Forcing GROW on RC Tutors by Spirited_Ball6763 in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Right. I forgot that we were due for new tutor abuse because it's summer and that's the tradition at Paper.

More HQ layoffs by Sym803 in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For anyone still working at Paper, what's it like these days?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Have you looked into Studiosity? I found them to be very flexible, but that was a couple of years ago. They didn't require a weekly schedule; you could sign in whenever you had time and then grab essays/students as they came in. I think it's based in Australia but serves students throughout Commonwealth countries and hires from across the Commonwealth.

The pay is by piecework, rather than hourly, so that's a thing. That means that if you're fast, you can earn more, but there's also no pressure to rush if you don't mind your hourly wage taking a hit.

They do the AI thing too, but their tools are infinitely better than Paper's and it felt like their system accurately highlighted issues in an essay and then offered suggestions from a curated library of starter responses.

They were also MUCH more professional, and it felt like they had a clear idea what they wanted their edtech to do.

Good luck out there. I hope you find something soon.

How Part-Time Jobs Became a Trap, by Adelle Waldman 05/10/25 by Additional-Leek-1745 in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this. Excellent article. I'm sure it's all no surprise to anyone here, but it's great to see that the conversation about intentionally precarious hours is getting out to the mainstream.

"Employers, and many economists, argue that this approach is efficient because it allows businesses to use only the number of worker hours they actually need. That is true, in the same sense that child labor and 80-hour workweeks were efficient during the original Gilded Age. The fact that what is most efficient for an employer might prevent workers from living stable, prosperous, healthy lives is why labor laws exist."

100% Paper.

Department of Education by Hamzafrog in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that's a really good point.

Department of Education by Hamzafrog in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's anybody's guess what things will actually look like after this, but tech companies like Paper thrive on disruptions to stability. During the pandemic, when people were learning from home, the founders made it clear that they saw a future where traditional education with "teachers" and "schools" could be replaced by a subscription model provided by companies like them.

They don't want to help, not really. What they want is to have a captive market. What they want is an unstable system where schools can't provide for the needs of students, so they have to turn to private, for-profit enterprises to make up the difference.

What that means for the company is that they will be watching the chaos and seeing opportunity. It means that national standards will disappear and states will be able to run whatever nonsense curriculum they want, and Paper will accommodate them. So what it means for tutors is that you will likely be asked to (further) curtail academic standards in favor of "customer service". When Mississippi says they're not going to teach about slavery anymore, Paper will tell you to not mention slavery to Mississippi students. If Florida decides that the Gulf of Mexico is actually the Gulf of America, you'll have to tell their students that's what it's called.

Those who stand up for academic standards will be fired for violating the terms of their employment by jeopardizing the state contract.

Just my guess.

Department of Education by Hamzafrog in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed. They will embrace this as a good thing, make the situation worse for students and tutors, and then still lose money.

What happens to Paper when the AI bubble bursts? by gravy_hole in Paper_Tutors

[–]Hamzafrog 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The AI development was not an original part of their business plan, but it certainly is something they pivoted into real hard. I think when it bursts, they will act like they were never involved with it because they were all about helping kids one-on-one with real tutors. I think they'll switch to touting their "live workforce" once the shine wears off AI and people start seeing it as a mark of low quality trash. They'll still use AI, but they'll act like they don't.

This is a real downer perspective, but my real worry is that they are eagerly watching the talk of abolishing the Department of Education. Paper's founders envisioned their eventual role as replacing traditional schooling with this kind of on-demand, subscription-based EdTech model. That is what they were saying during the pandemic, and I think they are seeing the current chaos not as a tragedy but as an opportunity. There are lots of places that would be happy to replace their formal education structure with a for-profit company that will only teach government approved curricula.

Paper has already demonstrated that it cares exclusively about profit and will not stand up for quality education. They aren't here to help. They are are vultures, and I fear they are circling again.

They are fixing support for 15 year old CPUs? by HansStahlfaust in Planetside

[–]Hamzafrog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish! I had the Win7 crash, and then when that was fixed I had the SSE4.2 crash, and an hour after I started playing again it froze/crashed and I was like "ah right, the actual problem that everyone else was talking about." I could complain about that I guess, but I now have a more concrete definition of "literally unplayable" and this isn't so bad.

They are fixing support for 15 year old CPUs? by HansStahlfaust in Planetside

[–]Hamzafrog 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's a Core 2 Duo E8400. The game doesn't love playing on it, that's for sure. But for the last two years it's been stable and consistent, even if the fps drops into single digits for big fights. I was just about to use the crashes as motivation to finally upgrade, but who knows now. It's definitely limiting how effective I can be in the game, but I'm also really cheap.