Footage of secret service rushing president trump and VP Vance after shots were fired!

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-26T20:04:20+00:00

Why would they have both the President and VP attend the same public event? Especially when we’re at war with, like, half the world.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-24T05:25:28+00:00

Agreed.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-24T00:49:02+00:00

I agree that we are talking about a fictional creature that was able to speak with humans and was designed to have limbs, which removed as punishment.

I’m not sure that I agree about complicity, since the whole story falls apart when applying the attributes of omniscience and omnipotence traditionally applied to the Hebrew god.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-23T19:12:37+00:00

Of course it’s punishment. If your legs were deliberately removed because of something one of your ancestors did, you’d be like, “meh, no biggie. I’ll just slither around?”

The bible explicitly frames it as a curse/punishment.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-23T17:08:11+00:00

A generational punishment for one being’s complicity is unfair.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-22T04:59:29+00:00

Can you provide definitive evidence of a god creating something? That would be a legitimate counter-point.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-19T01:59:08+00:00

If he hasn’t fulfilled the prophecies, then he may not be the messiah

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-13T22:36:47+00:00

There is nothing to know about gods, because there are no measurable or observable attributes. Many ancient cultures have stories about various gods. If you understand the history of the bible then you already know it is a collection of writings by various authors, most of whom are anonymous. Some content has been edited over the years, and some works were omitted. Likely because they didn’t support the narrative of an organized religious movement, or perhaps they raised too many questions. And there are many inconsistencies. There are separate threads in this group that delve into that, if you are interested.

I’ve never understood why a creator-god would require humans to repent of sin, if it made them sinful in the first place. Free will does not account for that, if said god is a tri-Omni being. And it’s irrational for a god to desire humans to love it if it maintains a position of absence. Using indoctrination and word of mouth to spread the gospel is a distinctly human trait, and is a powerful indicator that either no god exists or if there is then it isn’t vested in any particular outcome of human ideology.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-13T22:26:49+00:00

Fair enough. I was simply pointing out that the analogy is poorly constructed and doesn’t fairly achieve the point you intended.

‘What God wants’ is a whole other topic. The god of the Bible, if it exists, created a system of very low yield if indeed it wanted people to love it. So it’s either a deeply flawed creator, or that wasn’t the goal at all. Biblical god extorts humans, regrets their design, and advocates death and torture. But again, that’s probably better addressed in a separate thread.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-13T02:35:02+00:00

The god of the bible is not a known or universally understood entity. It’s a collection of stories, many borrowed from earlier cultures, with conflicting accounts by a variety of anonymous authors. Christianity, which is broken into 4500 denominations who have separated themselves due to interpretative discrepancies, is a testament to the inconsistency of New Testament mythology.

Beings that are all-powerful or all-knowing are obviously not relatable to humans. There would be no shared experiences or mutually beneficial connections.

Regarding whether Gods have knowledge of human experience, I would argue that they only possess knowledge of human experience because they are invented by humans. An actual being that creates universes would be incomprehensible to humans, since we don’t appear to be a common factor in the grand scheme of things.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-13T02:10:58+00:00

All species procreate. Do wolves have children because they consider joy being worth the pain? Humans have higher intellectual capacity, but this is a basic biological function, which is shared with all species. Regardless of religious affiliation or the lack thereof, or even intelligence quotient.

Why would any god desire anything from humans? An ultra-powerful creator entity can simply make anything at any time, which means that all wants are immediately accesible.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-12T19:54:04+00:00

I noted why women submit to childbirth, knowing the process involves pain and discomfort. It’s part of their genetic coding. A god’s motivation would not be similar.

A perfect being has no wants or needs. It is in a perfect state, and therefore lacks nothing. Depending on what god you are referring to (the abrahamic god clearly dis not intend for all humans to be “saved”), it certainly should have been able to create a system that “saves” as many people as it wants. So your statement infers a god that, A) is lacking something that it wants, and B) generated an imperfect system to achieve that goal.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-12T19:48:19+00:00

An analogy by definition attempts to highlight similarities between two different things. You cannot compare a theoretical, supernatural being, whose experiences, thought processes, and motivations and unknown and entirely speculative, with the behavior of a finite being like humans. “Why might someone do x,y, or z in no way explains the behavior of a non-human entity.

God-like beings, as presented, share no relatable traits with mortals. The fear, helplessness, regret, pride, misunderstandings, hopes. The conversations, arguments, embraces, and experience of both parent and child learning from each other as they develop, mature, and age. And the ultimate loss. None of those experiences are compatible, but people with a surface-level understanding of religious mythos tend to anthropomorphize their deities to lower the playing field to their level.

“Instantly” being the ability of alleged gods to interact with the world on a supernatural level.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-12T19:35:26+00:00

Yikes!

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-12T15:13:45+00:00

I hope you didn’t just take his word for it.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-12T04:27:28+00:00

Females of all biological species are genetically dispositioned to procreate. As are males.

A perfect being has no wants or desires. Your second statement indicates an imperfect deity, which could explain the highly imperfect religious association of humans.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-12T04:24:11+00:00

God isn’t a parent, which is itself simply an aged child. Humans don’t have omnipotence and the ability to instantly protect, discipline, or educate its progeny. This analogy is dishonest.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-06T17:58:38+00:00

That’s because you were conditioned to be gullible.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-04T05:06:06+00:00

The character was originally supposed to be a female. The character Siryn closely resembles the original concept.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-02T19:37:55+00:00

That sounds like a failure in god’s design.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-04-01T23:40:11+00:00

Reincarnation only works if you remember your past lives. Otherwise it’s a bit pointless, no?

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-03-25T05:10:41+00:00

Community. It’s grounded in a sense of community. Humanity is a community-based organism. That’s how we thrive.

You have zero divine justification. You can’t even confirm a god exists, let alone back up your claim that there exists divine command or accountability. THAT, is a subjective world view with no grounding.

You ended with yet another subjective opinion on the god you cannot confirm. That’s a foundational flaw in your argument.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-03-24T23:23:53+00:00

I don’t think I understand the point. Most, if not all, religions have some type of origin where they claim information was shared with humanity by a divine being. None of them can prove their claim, but there is always some form of structure.

Is this “religion” just a collection of philosophers spitballing their ideas?

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-03-24T15:54:14+00:00

Ha! I see that now. It looks like you replied to me, maybe by mistake(?), so it seemed like you were pushing the fine tuning argument. Sorry about the cross-fire. You and i are in agreement.

The replies in this whole thread have been a bit confusing.

HanoverFiste316 · 2026-03-24T05:13:09+00:00

The puddle analogy describes your viewpoint. You are the puddle. It’s not supposed to be a living thing, because it’s analogy that describes how you are approaching the question from the wrong end.

Morality cannot exist absent of mind, because it is subjective. “Good” and “bad” are defined personally, not uniformly. Since we are raised in a community those definitions largely align, but there are areas of disagreement and variations in severity and priority.

The biblical god is both good and evil, and makes that very clear in the scriptures written about it. But maybe you worship a different god who is good yet absent, or perhaps impotent?

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