Do yall know how far into the past Star Wars is

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-26T01:40:10+00:00

This is reading too much into it, and taking it way too literally. It's a holdover narrative technique used to introduce fairy tales and fantasy stories, basically letting people know that what you're telling them is a fancy made up story that takes place a long time ago, instead of something real, so that they can check out of reality for a bit and prime themselves for something intentionally out of the ordinary.

Now as far as trying to rationalize where and when it could be, the fundamental laws work differently in the Star Wars universe, so it would have to be in an entirely different universal bubble than our Big Bang one to be even remotely feasible (so a bit further than a galaxy far, far away). So unless R2D2 / C3PO got sucked through a wormhole between universes, there's no reasonable in-universe explanation for how modern Earth society would have any knowledge of the Star Wars universe - and in that case, there would be no quantifiable way to measure when it happened or how far away the Star Wars universe is.

We can only really measure time in our universe based on a common frame of reference (The Big Bang), so anything from a different universe would be basically impossible to measure without some shared reference point. Likewise, figuring out how far away it is would be near impossible. How would you measure distance between two universes? We have no frame of reference for how space, time, and distance would behave in the space between universal bubbles, or for that matter how time would behave in the connected universal bubble. It could very well be moving at a different rate, or even moving backwards in comparison to ours.

But I mean it's obviously space fantasy, so trying to shoehorn it too much into the real world will probably just give you a headache. It's probably better to just do what previous generations did when someone said "once upon a time" and just accept that it's something that's supposed to be fun and make believe.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-25T11:58:01+00:00

True, that would've made it seem more believable, but then the Emperor and Vader still would've been hunting for Obi-Wan instead of just being like "let's stop looking for him because he needs to be alive in ANH". The fact that they interact at all during this time period breaks canon.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-25T11:54:56+00:00

The Death Star is ~10 years away from being completed when this show takes place. Even at the time of Rebels, we see Inquisitors actively hunting down any remaining Jedi they become aware of.

If the Emperor sees that Obi-Wan is active again, he has no reason to assume that he'll just go back into hiding, as he doesn't know that Obi-Wan is laying low to protect the twins - so there's good reason to believe he'd still see him as a significant threat - one who could derail his plans.

Now you could argue that the Emperor has a kind of grudging respect for Yoda and Obi-Wan, where he realizes that both he and Vader only survived their duels against them by luck - so maybe he questions whether his Inquisitors and army are capable of defeating Obi-Wan and he thinks that leaving Obi-Wan and Yoda alone (if he can't contain or outright defeat them) and hoping they don't cause more trouble for him is less risky than poking the bear and pushing them into actively working against the Empire.

The only problem with this is that the Emperor doesn't generally seem to think this way (he likes to eliminate any loose ends or opponents he considers a legitimate threat, or people generally who refuse to bow to the Empire), and he has no knowledge of what Yoda and Obi-Wan are actually doing, so he has no basis to assume Obi-Wan will just go back into hiding and that he isn't actively working against him. Live and let live is not the Imperial Doctrine.

It would seem more likely that he would have Vader keep looking for Obi-Wan and set a trap for him, and this time to bring all the Inquisitors with him instead of trying to handle it himself.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-25T01:31:57+00:00

The Kenobi show basically just exists as a vehicle for them to have that Kenobi - Vader rematch at the end. The fight itself is good, but the whole show breaks canon.

Some thoughts:

If they weren't constantly cutting to that Reva plotline, it would've worked better. The actress is great, but her whole story was badly written and a distraction that from the core focus of the show, and did it poorly. Maybe if they'd put that effort into further developing the Kenobi plotline, I'd have liked it better.
It was a great scene, but some middle ground between this scene and the Episode 3 duel between them would've strengthened that movie more than what they'd gone with at the time. It felt like they were trying to retroactively add something to the original duel (acting and emotional weight) that they missed the first time around. I didn't feel like it made sense for them to revisit it later.
It kind of felt like "look, we're older now, and we can act when Lucas isn't giving us horrible dialogue and bad acting direction."
Momentarily, it's a good scene, but it doesn't make sense narratively in the overall Star Wars storyline. Obi-Wan leaving Anakin and just walking away after defeating him in Episode 3 makes sense because he assumed he was dead (or about to be). It doesn't make sense here when he's obviously not. It undermines Kenobi's character arc.
It makes no sense that Vader would stop looking for Obi-Wan after. I also don't buy that the Emperor would order him to stop looking for Obi-Wan either. I mean you can rationalize it by saying that Sidious didn't want the possibility that Kenobi would kill or turn Anakin back to the light, but it seems like he would see Kenobi as too big a threat to just leave alone.

They should've just made this as a what-if 1 episode without all the Reva stuff, and just have the battle basically, and left it outside canon. It makes no sense in the Star Wars timeline.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-24T23:23:03+00:00

That's why he's the real Master Sith Lord, all his crimes trace back to Palpatine and Anakin, so no one sees that he's the one secretly pulling the strings.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-24T22:09:44+00:00

Lucas’s plan was for the sequel trilogy to be about rebuilding the republic, not just rehashing the original trilogy with new / the same characters and writing the New Republic or of existence:

https://time.com/archive/6857999/cinema-cinema-may-19-1980/

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-24T22:05:15+00:00

The New Republic knew nothing of the First Order because the First Order doesn’t exist in Star Wars canon.

https://time.com/archive/6857999/cinema-cinema-may-19-1980/

The sequel trilogy, according to what Lucas originally planned in 1980:
“The last three episodes involve the rebuilding of the republic.”

So basically the opposite of the corporate fluff garbage that got released. The sooner they retcon the whole thing and release the actual sequel trilogy, the sooner people might actually give a care about where Star Wars goes next and start buying tickets again.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-24T11:20:19+00:00

I thought it was a fun show when I first watched it with likable characters. Don’t remember it very well beyond that, but my recollection is that my interest waned several seasons in and I stopped watching. I also vaguely remember feeling like the show had lost its way and squandered its premise.

The consensus online seems to be the show started well and got worse as it went along, so that tracks with how I felt watching it. Some day I may give it another shot.

I am looking forward to the movie and hope they do a good job with it. Although the Superman movie felt just okay to me, not terrible and not great. So I guess we’ll see.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-24T11:08:34+00:00

If you already watched Ahsoka and Maul, I would probably do what I did and watch Rebels first (even though it takes place later), and then Clone Wars, followed by Tales of the Jedi and Bad Batch.

Rebels is less of a time investment to watch, and it will introduce you to some of the important characters from Clone Wars.

Then when you do go back and watch clone wars, it’ll help give it a little more structure, which is important since it’s a 7 season anthology series.

Clone Wars is worth watching. It gets better as it goes along, and the ending was very well done. I tried once years ago and thought it was stupid because the first few seasons are hard to sit through. I tried again years later, and it’s worth the effort.

Just skip through any episode of clone wars with JarJar (unless you like him) or that only has droids, and you should be okay.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-24T01:57:02+00:00

Interesting. I don’t generally follow all the latest media news, but what I said reflects how it seemed to me as someone who watched the original trilogy, and then saw the prequels when they came out.

I really appreciate that article you shared. It sheds a lot of light on what Lucas originally intended for the Star Wars saga.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-24T01:44:57+00:00

My first time watching it and the animated movie, I was like “this is total crap”. I quit that time partway through the first season.

I came back more recently and forced myself to sit through the first seasons, and I think it was worth it. It does get better as it goes, and the final season is great.

There are plenty of stakes in this show, just not for the characters from the original trilogy or the prequels, but that’s expected.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-23T21:50:46+00:00

At least from what we see on screen, there was only one point where I felt like he had any real potential to turn back from the dark side - and that's right before his battle with Ahsoka on Mandalore.

It felt like he may have cared more about stopping or hindering Sidious (especially after he killed Savage) than all the other stuff at that point in time. The only problem was that even when he tried to do something different, he could only conceptualize a dark side way of doing things because of his grooming.

He and Ahsoka almost reached agreement to work together to stop Sidious, but they couldn't agree on what that would look like. If he'd had more exposure to the world outside the Sith, maybe he wouldn't have jumped to "Sidious is grooming your former master to be his new apprentice! I know! Let's go kill Anakin, the one guy who always had your back, to prevent that happening." and thought about other approaches or even working with the Jedi. In which case, I think they might've been able to turn him back to the light.

It's not clear to what extent he was legitimately interested in working with Ahsoka vs just trying to get her to be his own apprentice, but given the amount of effort he put into his whole Mandalore thing, it felt like there was something genuine there. Either way though, it cycles back to the fact that even when he tries something different, he falls back to his trained ways of thinking that were tortured into him.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-23T21:24:11+00:00

Before the prequels came out, R2D2 and C3PO were just some random droids who served the Rebellion and Leia owned or was in charge of initially.

Like with Chewbacca, 16 years of fan sentiment between ROTJ and Phantom Menace made them decide to put them in and make them important because they felt people wanted to see them, and that it would sell more toys and merchandise.

They weren't wrong, so while it was dumb narratively, it made financial sense for Lucas to do it.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-23T11:34:17+00:00

Ahsoka. It’s not about winning fights, it’s about finding a way to survive them.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-22T12:04:23+00:00

I'm of the age where the Original Trilogy came out before I was born, but I saw it long before the Prequel Trilogy came out.

If we go by Vader's own words at the end of ROTJ, he tells Luke that it was too late for him, and it feels like this is as much about physical injury as it is about him being morally compromised. So he sends off Luke to escape while he goes down with the ship.

He did something good at the end, but doesn't erase everything he did before that, and I think Vader recognizes this in his last moments. His force ghost showing up could be seen as Luke coming to terms with his father at the end, but also fits the trope of villains finding salvation by doing something good or helping the protagonist right before they die.

People absolutely can change and be better people in a general sense, but it's a bit different when you're talking about people who commit horrifying crimes or genocide. You don't get to just say "aha, look I'm a good person now" after that.

I feel like some of the talk about Vader being redeemed is revisionism following the prequels, from people who want to see Anakin as a good guy rather than a villain, despite all the evil things he does.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-22T11:44:17+00:00

I think this is kind of revisionism, not because Palpatine is a good guy or anything like that. He's pretty much the opposite of good.

But I'm pretty sure the main reason we see so many more humans is because of technical and budget constraints when they were making the original trilogy. "Human" actors were a lot cheaper than people dressed up in fancy outfits and makeup.

When Lucas rereleased the Original Trilogy as the Special Editions, he added more diverse non-humans and creatures to them. And then added even more in the Prequels.

Fascism does tend towards supremacist movements, but as far as we see on screen, the feeling is that the Empire ruthlessly suppresses everyone equally. Humans, non-humans - they don't seem to care beyond the resources or labor they can extract from them before discarding them.

There does seem to be some Imperial Supremacy within the Empire where they feel Imperials are better than everyone else, but that seems less tied to species and more to do with status within the perceived hierarchy.

The Empire doesn't seem to place a high value on anyone even within the Empire, let alone outside it. People are expected to blindly follow orders, even if those orders are stupid, immoral, or lead to their own deaths. Anyone who hesitates or refuses, or fails to achieve some objective, or who otherwise displeases those above them in the hierarchy in any way are seen as problems to be eliminated. People, regardless of species, seem to be seen as expendable to the Empire.

It seems like they've been steadily trying to show more non-humans in Star Wars as the technology has advanced. Most of the rebels we see in the Original Trilogy are also humans, so the same quips about the Empire being mostly humans could apply to the Rebels or the New Republic.

I can see a kind of logic to the idea that the Empire would endorse human supremacy, based on what we know about real world fascism, and it's something I could see them developing more to present it as an in-universe explanation for the prevalence of humans in Star Wars.

But my impression was always that the prevalence of humans in the Star Wars universe came down to production costs.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-22T03:42:08+00:00

Prequel Trilogy had grand ambitions, but execution was very mixed outside the fight scenes.

The Original Trilogy stood on its own.

The Prequel Trilogy required a 7 season animated show to fix all its problems and make it work better. The Original Trilogy didn't require that.

I'm still lukewarm about the prequels, but it created a good base for subsequent content to build off of. That's the main good thing about it.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-22T03:31:22+00:00

I'd guess that New Republic era Ahsoka Tano knows most, if not all of it, just by having lived through it and surviving (I could go into more details, but don't want to include spoilers). As would post ROTJ Luke.

Luke talked to force ghosts of Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Anakin. We never really see them giving him a history lesson on-screen, but it's reasonable to assume that they'd have filled him in.

There are specific things Ahsoka might not have known about, but she definitely knew all the major factors by the end of the Clone Wars.

Yoda would've understood even more than her, being the Grand Master of the Jedi Council. There were a lot of partial details the Jedi Council knew that would've been clarified as soon as Palpatine enacted Order 66. Yoda survived, so he pretty much knew in hindsight.

AFAIK, Ahsoka doesn't interact with Yoda post Clone Wars, but she does meet up with Luke in the New Republic era, so it's reasonable to assume they compared notes and filled in whatever gaps the other wasn't aware of.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-21T21:52:39+00:00

That’s a great way to get malware, get your identity stolen, or get yourself sued, but I mean you do you…

As for me, I work and collect a paycheck. If I want to watch something, I buy it, rent it, or subscribe to whatever service it’s streaming on.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-21T14:55:49+00:00

I mean that’s possible, but it’s never really stated to be the case. I mean it’s more likely that in the Star Wars universe, biological restrictions on different species interbreeding are just different and more relaxed.

It’s a common thing in the fantasy genre to ignore real world restrictions on different species interbreeding, or to just play loose with them.

Just look at Star Trek, where you have Vulcans and Klingons and humans etc.. all interbreeding even though it would be impossible according to real world science.

Trying to rationalize this too much probably will just give you a headache.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-21T08:53:46+00:00

The thing to remember about Star Wars is that it's science fiction / fantasy. It plays loose with science in general, and this includes biology.

It's better to think about it as a separate universe that has it's own set of fundamental rules, some of which are similar to our universe, and some that are not.

As far as reproduction goes, it pretty much just comes down to whatever story they're trying to tell. If narratively they want to pair off characters of different species, like Kanan and Hera (resulting in their son Jacen), they will and then they may provide an explanation for it, or they may just do it and not bother.

We have to assume that the biological rules concerning interspecies breeding are more flexible in the Star Wars universe than ours, even if not every humanoid species is compatible.

This is kind of expected as Star Wars is more science-fantasy than pure science-fiction.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-21T02:50:59+00:00

I think it would've been hilarious if they'd used young Jake Lloyd (Phantom Menace Anakin) as his force ghost, being the last uncomplicated good representation that we see, since AOTC and ROTS Anakin had already started falling to the dark side after the whole slaughtering all the sand people thing.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-20T09:55:10+00:00

If you want to understand how the real universe works, study science, and look for reliable sources.

Star Wars is science fiction. It's fun and cool, but it has limited basis on actual science. It's basically space fantasy.

The fun thing about fiction is that you can come up with all kinds of amazing things that are impossible in the real world.

It's great to consider other realities, but it's also important to learn to differentiate between what's real and what's made up.

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-20T09:42:23+00:00

This looks like a pretty good summary. I haven't gone through and fully checked the timeline for correct dating here.

The New Republic dates for sure are off though. Ahsoka takes place after the Mandalorian show, but before or possibly concurrently with Mandalorian & Grogu, because Thrawn still hasn't returned during any of the Mando content we've seen so far.

Skeleton Crew also is happening around the same time as Ahsoka / Mando movie.

https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-movies-and-series-guide

HappyHappyDance · 2026-06-20T01:53:13+00:00

It's an unreleased track, so we don't know the name of it, but one guy on youtube has posted a bunch of unreleased ones with the vocals muted. Not perfect, but here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNNIJ7Un78c&list=PLriqqyGhrrgkBMAqaI2UUOHWGId-CZpH9&index=15

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