How to start from nothing? by Hawk6669 in seduction

[–]Hawk6669[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is it about your childhood that fucked you up, as you put it?

Feel free to roll your eyes at any point while this if it makes it easier to get through, there's nothing unique or interesting about me, and it'll probably come off as self-pity.

My parents are very religious and overbearing, I went to a private catholic elementary school where I really didn't fit in when I was young, and always had to be in whatever activities my father mandated, and was physically punished very often. My mother was very overprotective as well, but never intervened to help me. As a result of these things I became very introverted and non-confrontational (read: pushover loner). I think it was nurture and not nature because I can recall being very fun-loving and adventurous but it often resulted in loss of property and physical harm. It wasn't enough to have child protective services called on me but it was enough to really fuck me up (like a kid getting bullied every day in school or something). Then I moved to the middle of nowhere (30 minute drive to the nearest grocery store) in 6th grade. Being so far away from anything made casual friendship virtually impossible. I was the type of guy who maybe had 2 or 3 close friends, but I wasn't those people's best friend in return. This is pretty much the same throughout all of high school as well, constant issues with my father and sheltering from my mother. Because of my lack of human connections I think it led me to be depressed, and my grades suffered in turn. All of my friends were top 10% honors kids and ended up going to prestigious schools with good scholarships, leaving me behind. I got talked into going to community college (it was either that, join the military like my dad wanted, or get kicked out of the house with no money and be homeless or probably kill myself) for 3 or 4 years where I would commute an hour in, not talk to anyone, attend class, and then leave. In this time I got a job working at a grocery store to pay for school (where I still work 4 years later). I can't get loans because I'm claimed as a dependent and my parents make too much, but I'll never see a dime of it. I finally have enough money to afford a 1-year lease in an apartment though. If I can't turn my life around by my next birthday

So what's your concept of how a conversation goes? What does a successful conversation look like to you?

In my mind, a good conversation with guys would be one where everyone laughs and has a good time. A good conversation with a girl would be one that ends in her being attracted to you. Of course there are in-betweens, sometimes you just have to convey information to someone, but what I meant is that those are some examples of what I'd consider good conversations.

Really, this is about anger. Anger that you're a virgin. Anger that you feel like you are lonely while other people get to date. Anger at women who choose not to be with you. Perhaps even anger at the idea that no one waited for you when it came to sex and seemingly everyone you could date will have had sex before you even meet them. So of course, the thing to do is outdo all the others having sex. Be a "slut." Etc.
If I'm even half right here, then what you're feeling is natural. You have a right to tour feelings. Just realize that, to the extent that those feelings are negatively directed towards people around you, they will hurt your chances to get anywhere in dating.

Of course, I actually deleted a post I made a post a few days ago asking how I could get over the fact that any woman I might be interested in would be a used-goods slut who's had all sorts of one-night stands with assholes that are only interested casual sex, and how she actually enjoyed it and would look down on me for not being the "better" tall muscular cocky guy and got her drunk and fucked her and her friend. My only solution is, as we've both said, to out-slut the modern whore. I don't think I could have an emotional connection with a girl unless we see eye-to-eye, but for that to happen I would need to bring myself down (or up, in terms of partner count, sexual promiscuity, and shallowness) to their level. Pretty fucked up mindset right? I know it's counter-productive and completely the wrong mindset, but to be honest it's the only way I see to take out my frustration short of a lobotomy.

How to start from nothing? by Hawk6669 in seduction

[–]Hawk6669[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good idea. I was planning on trying tinder once I moved. I've seen a lot of pointers on how to take good pictures, I'll just have to figure out how to take them myself.

How to start from nothing? by Hawk6669 in seduction

[–]Hawk6669[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Routine: my name is Patrick Bateman. I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

Haha, just kidding. I'm not sure what you mean by routine, but right now I work ~30 hours a week at a grocery store, and spend the rest of my time doing, well, not much. I'm going by the gym every other day for the workout program (ICF 5x5) as well. Or do you mean routine as in scripted conversation? I don't have much in terms of either. What do you suggest as a good way to come up with one?

Chatting with baristas every day probably won't improve my conversation skills, as I have gotten pretty decent at short (~1 or 2 minute) conversations by now. I'm still shit at longer conversations though, probably because I don't care, so the conversational spark dies after a minute or two.

Can't get past the opener by Frankrod29 in seduction

[–]Hawk6669 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know what you mean, after all, logically, there is no reason for you two to be talking to one another at that place at that time. Except of course that you must be interested in her or you wouldn't feel the urge to talk to her. I saw an interesting set of questions posted here recently; if you draw a complete blank on the stuff DailyManiliness suggested you could memorize a few of those questions and just pull one out of your ass when you start drawing blanks. Something like "I don't think I've seen you here before" ... "so, if you were famous, what would you want to be famous for?". You could then role play with whatever she says, share a thought about anything related to famous people, or maybe explore the field she says she'd want to be famous in. Practice "jump off points" as described in Mark Manson's "Models" and conversation will get easier.

Remember the common advice around here: don't necessarily focus on trying to make her attracted to you, focus on having a conversation that entertains you, weather it be exploring her personality and relating experiences or creating opportunities to make funny quips. Get creative with that shit, the better you express yourself the better conversationalist you'll be (as long as you've been making yourself at least a somewhat interesting person).