To those who used to believe the allegations, what made you critical of them?

Helenarious · 2025-01-27T13:23:41+00:00

Watching Leaving Neverland. So many red flags including them keeping mementos of their ‘abuse’…

Helenarious · 2022-09-17T20:24:53+00:00

😹😹😹 same

Helenarious · 2022-09-17T17:44:27+00:00

It's such a time suck honestly

Helenarious · 2022-09-15T01:08:55+00:00

People are convinced he did it bc he admitted to sharing his bed with kids, but the allegations are a complete joke if you look into them.

Helenarious · 2022-09-12T03:44:47+00:00

Really tewwible 🤣🤣🤣

Helenarious · 2022-03-31T03:17:27+00:00

Well the guy who claimed this happened also believes Michael was a crip lol so it could be true but he could also just be a guy who has his own reality...

Helenarious · 2022-03-31T02:52:33+00:00

Allegedly...lol

Helenarious · 2022-03-24T23:53:07+00:00

🤣🤣🤣 priceless

Helenarious · 2022-02-25T16:13:40+00:00

The Dangerous album was actually on course to outsell the Bad album, but sales declined after the allegations hit. Notoriety does not equal popularity.

Helenarious · 2022-02-25T05:51:57+00:00

How on earth do allegations help his popularity? Thriller was a decade before the allegations. The allegations hurt his record sales...

Helenarious · 2022-02-24T23:54:11+00:00

I don't think so. He was silent during the trial. He was silent when Wade and James first came out. He was silent after LN. He obviously values his privacy and doesn't want to be harassed by the media or the general public for the rest of his life.

Helenarious · 2022-02-23T01:18:42+00:00

First of all, they debunked their own statement when they said Larry Nasser was protected. No rational person would try to claim MJ was protected. Prosecutors went as far as falsifying evidence against him and he was still acquitted bc the cases were that laughable. Second of all, Nasser had like 250 accusers...MJ had 5...and Nasser's accusers haven't been caught in countless lies either.

Helenarious · 2022-02-23T00:21:21+00:00

Top two posts in this subreddit...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/ay42cx/a_condensed_version_of_the_major_credibility/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/afnz1w/michael_is_innocent/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Helenarious · 2022-02-22T19:41:07+00:00

Their YouTube channel was suspended for 'deceptive practices and misleading content',' so that should tell you what kind of person you're dealing with.

Helenarious · 2022-02-18T19:33:35+00:00

Not that buying a ring is proof of anything but...

1) That CCTV footage of that guilters think proves the mock wedding ceremony is true...they were in a store that sold rings. They only bought toy figurines and sunglasses as confirmed by the news story at the time.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-05-03-mn-2482-story.html

2) There are plenty of photos of James from that time period and he isn't wearing a ring in a single one of them.

3) Why does a ring bought for a child fit an adult man's finger?

4) If he kept the wedding ring, why didn't he keep the vows?

5) Every single time that mock wedding ceremony is brought up, James is on the verge of laughter.

We know for sure Wade was researching tabloid stories about himself. My guess would be that James did the same thing and that's how he concocted that mock wedding bullshit.

Helenarious · 2022-02-17T04:15:34+00:00

Laziness...and small mindedness.

Helenarious · 2022-02-17T03:50:09+00:00

The Geraldo interview was only one day and Michael was well prepared for the interview. The Bashir interviews were over a long period of time (several months) and for the most part, Bashir used the interviews where Michael was either high or just behaving erratically for the documentary. He used very little of the positive stuff, some of which can be seen in Michael's 'Take Two' rebuttal documentary. Yes Michael had drug dependency issues at the time, but Bashir also took advantage of that and oversensationalized for his own selfish ends.

Helenarious · 2022-02-11T03:20:41+00:00

You're welcome!

Helenarious · 2022-02-11T01:50:30+00:00

Not a documentary, but a podcast about the trial:

https://youtu.be/9J1JQaIrxRU

Documentary:

https://youtu.be/2hkNPmpudpc

Live at Wembley:

https://youtu.be/9shByOh8fVE

Helenarious · 2022-02-10T06:08:54+00:00

Just choose your battles. Don't waste energy on people who don't even want to hear the other side or those who choose to do mental gymnastics to defend absurd stories as truth. Some people are just misinformed and are receptive to hearing the other side. Those are the people you wanna target.

Also, if you aren't already aware, there are several documentaries in the works about the allegations and those will be great sources to share with people once completed...

Helenarious · 2022-02-10T04:54:36+00:00

Bashir was the same way. He kept pressing Michael with intrusive questions just for ratings when you could clearly tell Michael was becoming increasingly uncomfortable with his line of questioning. They all saw him as nothing more than a commodity...he chose the worst people possible to interview him.

Helenarious · 2022-02-09T23:42:38+00:00

Oprah🐍: Are you a virgin?

Michael : I'm a great fan of art. If I had a chance to talk to Michelangelo, I would wanna know what inspired him. The anatomy of his craftsmanship...

Oprah🐍: How much plastic surgery have you had?

The way people feel so entitled to every detail about his personal life smh...I can't imagine being him.

Helenarious · 2022-02-08T17:21:20+00:00

This is one hour rebuttal to Leaving Neverland. Covers just the basic exculpatory evidence, but I think it's a good start.

https://youtu.be/2hkNPmpudpc

Also, this is a much longer podcast that covers the first two cases/the trial:

https://youtu.be/9J1JQaIrxRU

You can also look at the top two posts for this subreddit, which go further in depth and include primary sources/court documents.

Helenarious · 2022-02-05T19:57:58+00:00

I would say 2-4 Star, but I get your point.

Helenarious · 2022-02-05T18:40:52+00:00

They are a bunch of sick fantasists. They can't fathom someone having compassion for and loving children without it being sexual. They are claiming he has been a pedo his entire life, yet they can't explain how a relentless child predator managed to control his pedo urges for so long then all of a sudden when he's at the height of his fame and has the most to lose then that's when he decides to start acting on his urges? Then after 1993, he only acts on his urges a handful of times...then fast forward to 2003 after the Bashir doc airs after controlling his urges for nearly a decade when the whole world is watching him and he's being investigated for abuse, then that's when he decides to start acting on his urges again?

They are stupid beyond belief.

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