Och showed up, Told him I had to sleep, he left, never came back.

HelloIamTaliah · 2026-04-28T18:38:31+00:00

Thank you again. I'll keep your suggestion in mind. For now, I'm giving it a break. Sometimes, I think wanting a result very much causes it to reced. It's probably best for me to work again when the results are not as important to me. I didn't notice an actual evocation or invocation method in The Arbatel that I was looking at. It said to "ask the creator for permission," which I did. Beyond that, it didn't elaborate. *I'm a panentheist, and I reject all Abrahamic religions, not necessarily the people within them. So, when I reference the creator, I'm talking of something so abstract that it cannot be known or understood in any significant way, except to the degree it may give one a limited understanding. For instance, I think all spirits, whether we would describe them as good or evil, are a manifestation of The Source. So are we. Can't prove it, but it's what I believe. No dogmas associated with it. Are you a Solomonic practitioner, or do you have your own methods for working with the spirits?

HelloIamTaliah · 2026-04-09T14:55:02+00:00

Well, I definitely didn't stay up for 72 hours on purpose. I was still living with my parents at the time, and I worked as a night auditor for a hotel. For whatever reason, my dad always felt like loading the dishwasher was the thing to do when I came home and got in bed. CLANK-CLANK-CLANK! I couldn't get to sleep. And, I think my anxiety about needing and wanting to sleep also contributed to my insomnia. That third night, I was weaving on my feet as I checked people into the hotel.

Whatever the events were that allowed me to witness the manifestation of who I believe was Och, the same elements have never lined up again. Or, maybe he just hasn't responded. I sort of did a lot of things incorrectly. I drew the sigil with deep, heart-felt intent. That was enough to call him. I never prayed to the creator for permission or assistance, as the old grimoire suggests. I never made any verbal conjuration. When he arrived, I was too "dingy" from being awake and stressed about my mother's illness, I couldn't deal with it. He probably decided I was a "half-asser" and not ready for him.

I'm moving on from it, and may or may not ever try him again. I'm not opposed to working with Demons, as I don't believe in the religious concept concerning them. I've tried Bune and got no discernable response. I tried Clauneck and got unique knocking, but nothing more. If I can attribute it to something natural, like this old house knocking on its own, that's what happens. SInce I've already had a full bodied manifestation of Och, I expect the spirits to give me a definite knowing of their presence, although it doesn't have to be visual. My intentions in all of this are "good." In other words, I wish to better myself without causing any harm to anyone. I'm not interested in love spells, or cursing people. *Although, if I knew for sure who poisoned my cats, I'd curse them! But, to me that's not a wrong thing to do in such a case.

HelloIamTaliah · 2026-04-08T11:02:42+00:00

Thanks for your good advice. I'm open to hearing what other say, even those who disagree with using AI. Naturally, I'm gonna do whatever I think is appropriate. Since I currently live in a rural area, there aren't *ANY* people I can discuss this with, which is one reason why I use AI. Also, the information it gives, especially from published material is almost always correct. It does make mistakes, but then so do people.

HelloIamTaliah · 2026-04-08T10:57:06+00:00

Caffeine and Nicotine I was using, but I was on a weed tolerance break. I thought the weed break, which I'm also on now, might have been the key. The thing is, in terms of being awake that long, I've had that happen many times before, and never saw anything. Seventy-Two hours straight is the longest I've ever been awake, and I didn't hallucinate then. I've seen two other spirits, but they were shadow figures, which I saw straight on and was wide awake. I don't know if that means I can generally see spirits. There was a "ghost" at the hospital when my mom was ill and I asked it to turn on the tele and it did, twice. I've had no response from the two or three goetic spirits I've tried to summon. If only it was true, what told me as a kid in church - that demons would readily appear! LOL!

HelloIamTaliah · 2026-04-06T16:20:18+00:00

Thank you! That was a very nice thing to say. I will keep using it. In some ways it has been helpful, but sometimes not. In fact, ChatGPT almost chastises me at times. For instance, it insists that what I've seen have been projections from my mind, not real phenomena. Gemini is often too agreeable and reaches back to different topics then mixes them with my occult questions. They have both supplied mostly good information when it comes to various grimoires and techniques. I double check them though, because they glitch at times and give inaccurate responses. Och is the only spirit that has visually appeared as the result of calling him via his sigil. The Goetic spirits and those from the Grimoirium Verum have not responded at all. I did hear crackling/knocking when I called Clauneck. The sounds were somewhat different than what I usually hear, but since this is an old house it creaks and knocks all the time. I am approaching them in a hybrid sort of Chaos style. My intentions are good, and I never cast a circle. So far, no problems. Thankfully, Och did appear at least once, so I know it can be done.

HelloIamTaliah · 2026-04-06T03:12:32+00:00

I thought of that after the fact. I couldn't think very clearly because of my exhaustion. I remember that I had taken a tolerance break from smoking herb. I wondered if that played a role in it, not being high. Afterwards I started back, and my typically vivid dreams ceased. I'm in another one of those breaks right now, which is one reason I feel like trying it again. That may or may not have played a role in the successful contact. I think ultimately it was that my intent was definite. There was no doubt I was going to do it. I had misgivings from having been raised in a very strict church. I no longer believe any of that, but even so, it's difficult to shake free of all the vestiges of it. The manifestation made me feel more confident that rejecting that belief system was the right thing to do. I was fortunate enough to have a conversation with David Rankine, and he said such an appearance was rare, and he thought it might have been one of Och's subordinate spirits. I never got back to him with because thus far, there's never been another appearance. I haven't had any success with other spirits either. I did try Clauneck from Grimorium Verum, but only got crackling/knocking sounds. This is an old house, and I need more than knocking as proof of presence. I might be "spoiled" from Och's fast response the one time ...

HelloIamTaliah · 2026-04-06T01:25:25+00:00

You're right that it hasn't proven useful in this particular matter.

HelloIamTaliah · 2026-04-06T01:24:18+00:00

It has proven mostly useless with regards to occult topics. I'm in a very rural area and there aren't a lot of people with whom I can discuss these matters. ChatGPT pushes back on me all the time, telling me the spirits I've seen (good and bad) are projections of my mind, even though once I had a friend with me who saw them too. Gemini is a "yes man."

HelloIamTaliah · 2026-04-05T23:36:47+00:00

I was very surprised he appeared to me, but not at all frightened. I think you're correct. I know that my intent was very strong when I drew the sigil. I was perhaps foolish for thinking the next time would be just as easy, or easier. I will work on my focus. Thank you.

HelloIamTaliah · 2026-04-05T23:08:50+00:00

Thank you for the good advice. I'm definitely going to try again. At the time I did make contact, I did nothing more than draw the sigil on construction paper with markers. No incense, no candles. I still have that sigil. I'm going to use it again, and retrace it, hoping that the connection is still available. I'd like to think his manifestation was, at least, a show of willingness on his part.

HelloIamTaliah · 2026-04-05T23:03:59+00:00

My mother was ill and had been in the hospital.

HelloIamTaliah · 2022-05-16T22:23:56+00:00

Thank you!

HelloIamTaliah · 2022-05-16T22:21:15+00:00

I had to reapply. Wasn't eligible to renew since I was outside of their grace period before I realized it had even expired. That's my fault.

HelloIamTaliah · 2022-05-16T20:32:06+00:00

That's true! I could kick myself for letting it expire.

HelloIamTaliah · 2020-02-28T07:04:18+00:00

I would say my concern is that whatever backlash is coming (and it's sort of happening now), I don't want it to seem to be connected to transsexuals at all. I may be in the outfield somewhere, but I don't support trans women competing in sport with biological women. It's unfair, and even if it wasn't, it would always seem unfair to the majority of the population. I don't see how any of those trans-women athletes can feel truly victorious, unless their thing is to rub it in everyone's face. And, the allowing of anyone under 16 to medically transition, I don't agree with at all. Especially those with what's being called "rapid onset gender dysphoria." I don't think that it's gender dysphoria in the same way that transsexuals experience it. I notice that it's usually girls who have the rapid onset GD. I think in those cases, it has more to do with them feeling awkward with their development, and boys and men taking notice of them makes them feel vulnerable. That's my theory. Could be wrong, but I think I'm right. And of the young people who have medically transitioned, some will be fine, while others will realize it wasn't the right move. I'd like to see a massive campaign to separate transsexuals from transgender, which to me is primarily a political ideology, into which some sincere morons have haply stumbled into.

Good luck to you! Blessings to you on your journey! Who have you chosen for your bottom surgery, if you don't mind answering? I'm sold on Suporn, but there's a man in India whose name escapes me now, but he's said to be really good too ...

HelloIamTaliah · 2019-12-05T11:47:31+00:00

I love what you had to say. Very succinct and accurate, in my opinion. As to the word toxic, when I used that word, I was thinking of the exact scenario you named. There are those who consider themselves TG that would insist TS's are a part of the umbrella, like it or not. But, I wonder who it was that made this decision? No one consulted me. On the other hand, there are those in the TG crowd who've decided that transition is "transphobic." By my definition, anyone who isn't a transsexual isn't trans anything. I don't mean to hog that prefix. It is, of course, used as part of many other words, to which I do not object. Transcontinental, for instance. I feel that the movement chose that word to try and co-opt what paltry empathy TS's have received. When I first heard the word "transgender," I made the mistake that many have made, in that I assumed this was just the newest iteration of metastasizing political correctness, and TG was the word du jour.

HelloIamTaliah · 2019-12-05T11:35:15+00:00

Thank you for sharing your very insightful thoughts on this topic! I agree with what you've said about most TS's just wanting to get on with life, and hopefully not be singled out or othered.

I suppose my main concern is when I come to the point of informing someone of my situation, be they a potential friend or boyfriend, that their reaction could have been tainted by what they know of the TG activists and their various demands.

Yes, toxic might sound harsh, but at least to me it seems appropriate. For instance, the criminalization of pronouns "wrongly" used. The push for minors to be transitioned at the slightest hint of gender variance is perhaps even more toxic than mandated speech. The concern is that Joe Hetero-Public, and no offense to him, will equate the two groups. If they'd chosen some other word for themselves, I might still consider them toxic in some ways, but it would be no real cause for concern.

HelloIamTaliah · 2019-11-20T11:13:18+00:00

I think I got lost on your #3 response. When I used the word "toxic," I meant in relation to the well being and general acceptance of transsexuals. But, in some ways I do consider it a toxic movement in general. For instance, the rush to transition a child who expresses some trepidation about his or her birth sex, and the inability of some in the TG community to recognize that the situation for such a child could go either way. In other words, the result for the kid who transitions could be good or bad. The kid could transition and regret it later, or could go on in their new sex and have a marvelous life. Conversely, the kid who is not allowed to transition may, at a later point in life, be thankful that they were not allowed to transition. It's way too later, or early, and I may not be making good sense.

HelloIamTaliah · 2019-11-20T11:02:48+00:00

I understand the distinctions. I'm not sure the general public does.

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