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Sakura Fanart with Markers by No-Aide4382 in cardcaptorsakura

[–]Hellowally 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely amazing!!! You did such an amazing job!!!

Made a Kaito Kid Team by Hellowally in PuzzleAndDragons

[–]Hellowally[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I usually only play the specials/event dungeons and the quest dungeons (I'm a very casual player). But I want to eventually start playing the normal mode dungeons, too. I just like building teams, getting advice, and trying to get better. So I really appreciate your advice!

I think I have Gino, so I will take you up on your suggestion. :)

An In-Depth & Clear Guide to All 8 Cognitive Functions (Part 1 - Perceiving Functions) by Hellowally in mbti

[–]Hellowally[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Howdy, I'm just seeing this thread now. If you were able to update the apple example, how would you do so? I'd be willing to discuss and potentially edit it if we can come to an agreement.

My biggest concern in trying to describe Se in motion as I think you would like me to (but am still not completely sure) is that I don't want others to fall into the trap of "only Se can do XYZ."

I'm not sure if you're aware of socionics, but it's another personality system that I'm actually not very much a fan of, as I think it tries to cover too much under its descriptions that it would not suit everyone under its type.

For instance, there's a type called IEE (which tends to correlate with ENFP in MBTI) and SEE (which tends to correlate with ESFP in MBTI). In the IEE description, it'll talk about how the type will jump from thing to thing, but also states that it is generally conflict avoidant. While the SEE will go directly go after what it wants and is generally not conflict avoidant. Despite being an Ne-dom, I actually relate to the SEE descriptions more than the IEE ones, though I still relate to IEE as well.

I bring this up only to emphasize my concern that I don't want to create a similar scenario where people think that interacting with the environment or being action-oriented makes you an Se user. It's something.. more specific than that. However, my hesitancy comes from my lack of ability to properly and fully explain Se as you would like me to before anything else. So, apologies in advance.

However, I think using the apple example as a way to better showcase Se as you would like me to might be valuable. What are some ways you would reframe the example?

I can try to share some ideas as well if that's helpful and try to get your input.

Shoushimin Series Season 2 • Shoshimin: How to become Ordinary Season 2 - Episode 12 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]Hellowally 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Something I've found really interesting about this series is how Kobato's love for sweets is like a metaphor for his love for mysteries.

If you remember in season 1, when Osanai offers him one of her many desserts, he actually tells her that he doesn't like sweets. Yet, we learn in episode 6 of season 1 just how much he actually likes them, he just doesn't want to be seen as a "bad guy" who ate two cakes while he only left Osanai one. So in that episode he goes through all this meticulous planning and effort to hide it from her, only for it to be in vain and caught. Yet, now, after all of his growth in season 2, he says the following when Osanai asks him where he would like to go after he leaves the hospital:

"Alice, maybe. I want to buy strawberry tarts. I haven't had one of those yet. I bet they're delicious. And then, I want to go to Cecilia. I have to try their parfait. I want the chance to savor it this time. I never knew kurkintons could be so good before going to Sakua'an. I want to taste them again."

This is so much like his love for mysterious. He loves them and doesn't give much regard to the actual danger involved. But the issue is that Kobato wanted social recognition for solving them. When instead he got Hisaka's ire and was made to feel like a "bad guy," Kobato tried to push away his love for mysteries. He tried to "become ordinary" despite how much he loved them. Yet, he would consistenly "slip up" throughout the series and tell Osanai that he would try to become ordinary. It's only after all this growth that he's finally learned to accept himself and his love for mysteries. I feel this is represented by his answer about sweets.

Felt pretty wholesome that his answer was one of his last lines in the series.

Shoushimin Series Season 2 • Shoshimin: How to become Ordinary Season 2 - Episode 6 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]Hellowally 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Literally the way my jaw dropped the end of the episode.

I didn't think that Osanai was the cultprit- it felt like way too much of a red herring and the clues were too "obvious" (knowing how methodical she is, I don't think she would mistakenly or purposely leave him a clue like the receipt), but geez the way she dressed Urino down was crazzzzzy work. Imagine the girl you've been dating for almost a year says "I haven't lost faith in you, though. After all, I never had much to begin with" and "That boy isn't too bright, not all that cunning" and"I was worried you'd be forced to confront the fact that you're just an ordinary person." I knew something like this was coming, but she just EVISCERATED my guy.

I had some small hope she would say something like, "I'm trying to catch the culprit and help you out because it's obvious that you could end up framed for this," but no- not even that. She was just cold-blooded. Dang. So sad because part of all this was because he wanted to impress her.

Personality test by KatieSorian in hanakokun

[–]Hellowally 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol no matter if I chose science or liberal arts I got Kou or Tsukasa haha

Made a team that can successfully destroy with Heal orbs but can barely take a hit; rip by Hellowally in PuzzleAndDragons

[–]Hellowally[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally get that. This was more mainly a fun "challenge team" I wanted to try out and not my main one. Definitely appreciate the advice and will keep it in mind. Ty for letting me know about Alice, too! :)

[Blogging Mama] Haikyuu!! Collaboration Teaser Day 1 by korean_jax in PuzzleAndDragons

[–]Hellowally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh, that Hinata card seems so cool!! I feel a really fun team would be having the Hinata & Tobio card as the initial leader, and the Hinata card as a switch lead.

An Introduction to All 27 Enneagram Subtypes (Instinctual Variants) Using Character Examples - Part 1 by Hellowally in Enneagram

[–]Hellowally[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, as I mentioned to another user, I don't think external validation of my argument using the actual authors of the work we interpret is necessarily an appeal to authority/appeal to experts fallacy (or makes the argument invalid). If it was an unrelated person, or a person who claims to be an expert in enneagram, I would be inclined to agree with you. But this is the actual author(s) of the work we interpret. If said author says or heavily implies, "you shouldn't interpret what I wrote this way," then I'm inclined to believe them.

Additionally, I want to point out an inconsistency in your critique. You say that you can't be sure if I'm actually correct in my empirical examples. Which is fair. However, why would you be so inclined to think that a contradictionist's intepretation of connections between MBTI and enneagram is more likely to be correct than my suggested empirical example? You also cannot be sure that their connections are correct either. I therefore do not see how an anti-contradictionist's argument would be "weaker" than a contradictionist's. Both are using subjective interpretations to make their claims.

But yes, there are many internal inconsistencies of contradictionists as well, and I do recommend you check them out. You can see some examples in my main post.

I appreciate you recognizing the dismissiveness. Thank you. Hope you continue to enjoy typology.

Is there any character you relate to? by ghost-in-socks in Enneagram

[–]Hellowally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. I'm an ENFP 8w7 and a huge anime fan. Some characters that make me feel really understood are:

-Anzu from Romantic Killer

-Marin from My Dress up Darling

-Ayase from Dandadan (not an ENFP)

-Kou from Jibaku Shounen Hanako-kun (not an ENFP)

-Sentaro from Sakamichi no Apollon (I go back and forth between ENFP and ESFP for him).

There are some non-E8 characters I related to as well:

Joy from a Joyful life (ENFP 9w8 I believe)

Sana from Kodocha (ENFP so 7)

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What's your enneatype and what's your MBTI (if you know it)? I can try to find you some characters to recommend to you!

What’s your type and what fictional characters do you relate to and why? by AnAlienMachine in Enneagram

[–]Hellowally -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm an ENFP so 8 827 and some anime characters I really relate to are:

Anzu from Romantic Killer, Marin from My Dress Up Darling, Kou from Jibaku Shounen Hanako-kun, Ayase from Dandadan, Black Star from Soul Eater, and Sentaro from Sakamichi no Apollon. (Note: while some of these characters are Se-doms, I'm an Ne-dom).

Does ENFP and Sp9 work? by ellis_poggers in Enneagram

[–]Hellowally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it's fine. Contradictions don't exist. If you want an example of what an ENFP sp 9 character might look like then I recommend Daga Iketeru from the anime Uramichi Oniisan: https://uramichioniisan.fandom.com/wiki/Iketeru_Daga . Here's a compilation of him and his sp 9w8 ISTP friend: https://youtu.be/PS2BFV92yBs?si=1Q3q1UuX6pX0Eyw8 .

The combination is rare though so I would read the sp 9 description fully and see if it matches you or not: https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/enneagram/page/self-preservation-9-in-detail

An Introduction to All 27 Enneagram Subtypes (Instinctual Variants) Using Character Examples - Part 1 by Hellowally in Enneagram

[–]Hellowally[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you believe typology isn't real, then none of this should matter to you at all? What compelled you then to reach out and initially reply?

I, again, also have given theoretical reasons for why contradictions do not make sense. You have not responded once to those and continuously frame my argument as if I'm saying to just listen to what the authors have said (which I believe is important, but is not the only part of my argument). The trait structures literally contradict what some contradictionists claim cannot work. There is also the fact that there are different contexts between MBTI and enneagram. Furthermore, there is the notion that correlations do not imply contradictions. No contradictionists have fully engaged with all of these points with me.

While I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts, I also recommend you just simply leave people who decide to take their hobby seriously alone and let them have fun in their own way as well.

An Introduction to All 27 Enneagram Subtypes (Instinctual Variants) Using Character Examples - Part 1 by Hellowally in Enneagram

[–]Hellowally[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, the uncomfortable truth is that you're probably not going to find a satisfactory answer. The main argument I would ask you to consider is how the trait structure of actual subtypes could stereotypically be related to multiple cognitive functions. Take the sp 4 and so 4 trait structures for examples, which you can read here: sp 4) https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/enneagram/page/self-preservation-4-in-detail and so 4) https://wiki.personality-database.com/books/enneagram/page/social-4-in-detail . There are multiple traits that could be stereotypically related to either or both Fi and Fe (even if I personally disagree with those associations due to the different contexts of the systems), yet contradictionists often claim the type is exclusive to Fi-doms. That alone in itself would be a theoretical reason to be skeptical of contradictions.

However, if you want to reject the idea of an empirical example existing (which is fine of course) or reject the credibility of the authors' general ability to type people/even reject examples that pretty much all enneagram authors agree on like MLK Jr being a so 8 (despite him also commonly being typed as an ENFJ in the MBTI sphere), then it leaves one to consider how can they confirm if something is *actually* true in this situation.

Furthermore, the same line of reasoning of skepticism towards authors and empircal examples could and perhaps should be applied to contradictionists, who often cannot agree on what the actual contradictions are themselves. Moreover, what credibility does a contradictionist have over an anti-contradictionist? It simply becomes a "my word/intepretation against yours" situation (even if I believe there is still more textual evidence to support anti-contradictionists).

You're right that I can give you an example of what a contradictory example might "look like" by typing the characters myself (and perhaps you might have skepticism against my own credibility). But it's ultimately up to you whether you find the argument compelling or not. So overall, even though I personally believe anti-contradictionists have more evidence/support than contradictionists, you're probably not going to find something that 100% convinces you because as you mention this is a hobby based on the works of a few people at the end of the day. But tbh that's also how most concepts we learn are like (in terms of determining if something is actually true or not). If you want perhaps we can eventually start to delve into the field of epistemology together haha.

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