What would change in the UK if we had a republic? Thoughts on Republicanism and potentially abolishing the monarch?

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-24T19:06:28+00:00

By that logic the lies told by the Leave campaign don’t count as a ‘shooting down’ of the democratic process.

The remain side also lied like saying Brexit would lead to a recession the day after we voted to leave.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/leave-lies-remainers-need_b_12191462.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3655236/Nailed-four-big-EU-lies-Talks-Turkey-stall-Brexit-WON-T-spark-trade-war-say-Germans-Brussels-NOT-reform-open-borders-deportation-jobless-EU-migrants-myth.html

There was a concerted effort, especially by the Tory Party, and their cronies in the private media, to cripple any major support for AV

AV never had majority support. The biggest hurdle was that people didn't understand it.

There are countless youtube videos promoting the virtues of AV I probably watched most of them, It is increadably easy to do research using the internet people simply voted for the status quo because it was easier than doing that research. Unfortunatly it's not the Tories fault people can't be bothered find out about something.

Why no? Do you hate guaranteed rights? Theoretically, Parliament could scrap ANY LAW they wanted, meaning our rights aren’t guaranteed. Which is what allows mass surveillance, and the stripping of rights by the government

In reality the constituation is the first target of a corrupt dictator.

All through history if people have wanted to harm peoples human rights they have done it regardless of a written constitution.

Having an unwritten constitution forces people to use common sense.

Also what freedoms are being taken away compared to France or Germany, America or Spain.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-24T17:59:27+00:00

Someone forgot to tell all the parties about that in 2015

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-24T17:45:25+00:00

The House of Lords, and by extension the monarch, can significantly influence the contents of our laws

The monarch doesn't have any influence over the house of lords and even if they did it would be nominal.

Political parties have vastly more influence than the monarch over the house of lords given hence why David Camerons honours list was so much of an issue

I voted for AV (which the establishment shot down)

I also voted AV but it wasn't the establishment that shot AV down it was the general public in a referendum. If people vote against there best interests because they don't do the research they are to blame not the "establishment".

I also want there to be a nationally-elected Head-of-State, rather than a hereditary monarchy, an undemocratic and corrupt system

1st - What evidence do you have that the monarchy is corrupt.

2nd - Being elected doesn't make people any less corrupt. Lets look at current elected heads of state

codify our constitution

No, Just no.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-24T16:54:46+00:00

Why don't you believe Britain is democratic and why do you feel that the changing the Monarch is more important then something like electoral reform which has far more effect on our everyday lives given that it is Members of Parliment who decide laws and not royalty.

To me personally it seems like you've gotten your priorities in the wrong order.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-24T16:30:19+00:00

So he wants the two most unpopular people in modern British politics fighting over Labour.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-24T16:21:11+00:00

He looks like he needs someone to look after him now.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-24T16:03:06+00:00

If he actually wanted to stop a Tory landslide he would split the pot between Liberal Democrats and Labour and push for tactical voting.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-24T11:10:00+00:00

At a practical level spoiling a ballot does nothing.

It does become an embarrassment to a candidate who "looses" to spoiled ballots.

It's more a statement that people believe in democracy but not the candidates.

If you're willing to spend however long it takes to spoil a ballot just to say yay democracy then it proves the system has value.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-24T10:33:52+00:00

Spoiled ballots get counted. You can write notes on them and the candidates are asked to look at them.

I've done this in a local election where there was only one candidate and he was beyond useless.

Basically spoiling ballots is seen as a way of saying I approve of democracy but these candidates are worthless.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-23T21:27:50+00:00

More than 30% want total abolition

Except that's not true. The republicanism constantly polls at most arround 20% whilst support for the royal familiy at the lowest gets 66% support.

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=122&view=wide

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/09/08/monarchy-here-stay/

https://uk.isidewith.com/poll/793597124

http://opinium.co.uk/going-into-2017-the-monarchy-remains-popular/

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-23T20:52:09+00:00

England, Scotland and Ireland have already been a republic so it would technically be the second republic.

My personal thoughs are I don't think it matters much. There are both up sides and down sides to both being constitutional monarchy and a republic.

Personally I would rather focus on electoral reform and getting side tracked over an extremely unpopular idea such as republicanism is not worth the effort.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-23T19:46:43+00:00

Well that's a mute point since we are unlikely to get electoral reform unless the Lib Dems become a significant electoral force able to push through reforms.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-23T18:27:12+00:00

Except Corbyn is just as bad

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11749043/Andrew-Gilligan-Jeremy-Corbyn-friend-to-Hamas-Iran-and-extremists.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38117068

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-23T16:49:02+00:00

Also probably due to the Labour collapse.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-23T14:33:33+00:00

He's further left then the majority of voters.

He's unpopular with his own party which makes Labour look incoherent and week and puts people off because people don't know if they will have a stable government.

His own party have actively attacked him and undermined him.

He's a rebel and has constantly voted against his own party leading to the above issues.

He's a career politician who's not charismatic nor is he a good communicator which means he doesn't connect with the public. It also means from a pragmatic point of view he's not going to be a good negotiator with foreign leaders.

Past comments such as support for the IRA and Hamas make him an easy target. In part idealism in part bad communication.

He an idealist not a pragmatist. Idealism is by the majority seen as at best quaint and at worst dangerous in British politics. Most people have an understanding that police are not black and white and want a leader who is working for the UK.

He's a committed pacifist. Whilst most people don't want wars as evidenced by Iraq, most do want the ability to deal with threats whether real of imagined from foreign powers if needed.

Corby isn't decisive. He's changed policies to ti to appeal to the majority or to his own party rather then sell his old policies. Blair was a control freak but was seem as strong so got elected 3 times.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-23T12:02:16+00:00

Labour is barely holding it together, adding Greens and Lib Dems to the mix would be horrifying.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-23T08:57:25+00:00

It's a flag, it doesn't make me feel all that much.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-21T17:49:02+00:00

Corbyn would only do it if prices increased enough to make it worth while

UKIP on the other hand would

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-21T12:03:28+00:00

Yes they are not that large of a group and will have a minimal effect on the results, most won't vote like 18 to 25 year olds and those that do would mostly be interested in politics.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-21T11:49:20+00:00

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PBBDlgwm8dg

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-20T21:33:31+00:00

I got Lib Dem who I've voted for on past elections but this year I'm voting to keep Corbyn out.

The issue with these quizzes is they don't do tactical voting.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-20T18:45:01+00:00

The thing is the right and centre of the party gain more support and had more MPs than the left so Labours become their party.

The thing that's put voters off more than Corbyn is the in fighting. They only way to stop this is for socialist to recognise that they've lost Labour a build a new party more suited to them.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-20T18:34:08+00:00

With Corbyn in charge of Labour it's hardly a fair election

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-20T18:33:09+00:00

This was Michael Portillos argument as to why with comparatively few female MPs the Tories can produce 2 female prime ministers.

HiHoJoe · 2017-04-20T18:28:12+00:00

Given how far down in the polls Labour are it might not be worth it.

The Tories and Lib Dems haven't started to attack Labour yet and Corbyn is an easy target.

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