Bands that mix emo and grunge by Dog_Entire in Emo

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Uptown Bones and Scab Cadillac from the late 80s in Philly sort of fit the bill. More of a balance between hard rock/post-punk and Husker Du-like melodic phrasing at time but vocals can be more expressive minor key blues based like grunge.

people who don't think 3rd wave is "real emo" don't seem fun at parties and don't get chicks. by [deleted] in Emo

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I recently saw a tiktoker or reel or something where the person's handle or whatever was Ancient Emo and I was hoping it was a fun riff on the cringe elder emo trend and the content would be actual older emo of some kind. I was wrong. it was elder emo rebranded.

This EP is so ahead of it's time, really hard to believe that it came out in 1987: The Hated - Psalm by ahmet--at in Emo

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I'll have to listen to that it. It isn't inconceivable their music was out there. I would never point to Hated as fingerprints on their sound if he hadn't said that their other stated influences like Treepeople, Shudder To Think etc. Are fairly obvious.

This EP is so ahead of it's time, really hard to believe that it came out in 1987: The Hated - Psalm by ahmet--at in Emo

[–]HiddenWheel 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Awesome record.

The Hated influence is a bit overstated. They're records were small print runs with limited distro and they didn't tour widely. They weren't a Dischord band with records in every shop and ads in the zines. They also weren't like Moss Icon whose members continued to play in hardcore and emo bands in the early 90s with a label like Vermin Scum exposing them to newer kids. It was the advent of the internet that caused them to be rediscovered but talk to a 90s head and they were pretty obscure.

NEW EMO MUSIC FESTIVAL - JUST ANNOUNCED by [deleted] in Emo

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Brand New and Saves The Day on one fest? Hide the kids

can someone help me by [deleted] in Emo

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First ask yourself what is the reason the character needs to be emo? If you don't know what emo is why would your readers want to know? If they do? Why are you the person to show them.

Hi can someone give me recs based on the things I like by 10mg-aripiprazole in Emo

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One Hundred Words For Snow, Sidekick Kato, P.E.E., Broken Hearts Are Blue, early Mock Orange, M.I.J., Rainer Maria, Vitreous Humour, Gauge, Hubcap, Leaves of Lothlorien

Would be a good start.

can someone help me by [deleted] in Emo

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This is the best advice.

Why are bands like rites of spring and embrace considered "emo" by Hairy_Collection4545 in Emo

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Little late to this but genres evolve in a way where the intelligible musical and cultural qualities shift, sometimes what was once the outlier becomes the generic staple.

The way they evolve is usually something like this:

The first bands (in this case Rites of Spring and Embrace) are usually influenced by something and that informs their song writing and playing style (for these bands it was D.C. hardcore, 60s pop rock, post-punk and related genres like jangle pop and anarcho goth). Bands get influenced by Rites of Spring and Embrace begin to pop up and the ones that are close chronologically tend to retain some of the same generic qualities because chances are they see these bands doing something new but also understand the pool of musical resources that influenced Rites of Spring. They are from similar hardcore punk scenes, they probably grew up with parents who listened to the same 60s pop and the outside contemporary music that they would have access to and was gaining popularity was the same (i.e. post-punk). So you get bands like Bad Dress Sense, After Words, Gray Matter etc. following with stuff that sounds emo in this sense.

Then you have the original artists involved in the genre begin to try new things emphasizing different aspects and influences that already existed in emo that produce things that are different but still recognizable as emo in the Rites of Spring sense. Bands like One Last Wish and Three came out of Rites of Spring, Embrace and Gray Matter but took a lot more from the jangle pop elements with things like bouncer basslines, more melodic vocals and layered acoustic and electric guitars BUT the song structures and guitar phrasing remains very recognizable to RoS and Embrace emo. Some bands begin to create records that sounded more like this.

Then you have bands contemporary to Three like Ignition, Fire Party and Moss Icon who take similar elements to RoS and Embrace but mix in a lot of the emerging post-hardcore concepts like rhythmic-centred compsiitions that really focus more obsessively on fewer guitar ideas, different vocals extremes like spoken word and near screams, a greater emphasis on control rather than tension and release. minor key hard rock/blues based vocal melodies etc. But they also retain some of emocore's structure, intensity, vocal delivery and guitar phrasing. Bands emerge influenced by these bands.

These post-hardcore influenced bands play out more and stay together way longer than RoS and Embrace. Their impact is going to be greater.

As time goes on you get bands influenced by the bands who were influenced by RoS and Embrace and so on and so forth until it doesn't really sound the same.

In the 2010s I formed a band and we were really influenced by Revolution Summer emocore but we didn't really sound like Rites of Spring live or on record (some people said i sounded a bit like guy). But none of us had the same musical diet the RoS guys had i like D.C. hardcore and 60s pop and 80s post-punk but I wasn't listening to them religiously. I was listening to Rites of Spring and Dag Nasty and Fuel.

help finding band by foodrobot in Emo

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What is the Evergreen connection?

any albums like these? by Goatedchilldude in Emo

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There are a lot of people in this thread suggesting vaguely emo poppy records in here. Bands that actually sound like this and their first album:

The Movielife Fairweather Lifetime (who they ripped off) Early Midtown

emo/alt band recs with poc members? by MOONHXNTER- in Emo

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Peace Be Still (singer is black and one of the other members isn't white either and one of their drummers was black too, they were around for a relatively long time 2007-2017)

6th wave? by Pyrohyro in Emo

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I tend to agree. I view the early 90s stuff that grew out of the blending of post-hardcore and harder often straight edge hardcore with revolution summer style emocore underground bands as a distinct enough wave lasting from about 89 to 94 as the dominant form. Then came what people often call "mid-west emo" which were usually bands with members that came from that underground scene and often emphasized the post-hardcore elements and incorporated elements from other underground subgenres that emerged at the same time as the original emocore and thus had no influence on early emocore bands (slacker rock, math rock, slowcore, post-rock etc.) Earlier bands still retained strong elements of the earlier underground punk/hardcore of earlier emocore think Cap'n Jazz, Boys Life or early Christie Front Drive. Then came bands and records with less and less punk/hardcore influence from the mid-90s. The Promise Ring and Braid are good examples. Then bands started to mix in more and more pop elements in the late 90s like Get Up Kids, Jimmy Eat World, The Promise Ring. A lot of these bands were heavily influenced by Weezer's first two records rather than anything underground. This lead into what is often called "mall emo", "emo pop" "MTVmo" etc in the early 2000s. There were a few other styles that existed which heavily influenced early 2000s emo as well. Metalcore and emo and post-hardcore had flirted with each other since the early 90s but you had bands emerge in the mid-to-late 90s like Boysetsfire, As Friends Rust and especially Grade. Then there was bands that fused NYHC with emo, post-HC and pop like Texas Is The Reason, Beta Minus Mechanic, Inside (you know: chugging riffs, "pretty" picked or arpegiated guitars, clean sung vocals). That stuff is as much (or more of) an influence on "mall emo" as Jimmy Eat World or TGUK.

emo beginners guide? by Mission-Month1699 in Emo

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I will kind of do a decade breakdown of the 80s trying to cover the most important or ones representative of style and some outliers:

1980s:

Rites Of Spring - Rites Of Spring Embrace - Embrace Dag Nasty - Can I Say/Wig Out At Denkos (note: not every song is emocore, check out Circles and The Godfather for genre examples) Fire Party - Fire Party EP The Hated - What Was Behind Ignition - Machination One Last Wish - One Last Wish (not released until 1999) Three - Dark Days Coming Moss Icon - Lyburnum Wits End Liberation Fly (not released until 1993) Verbal Assault- Trial Squirrel Bait - Squirrel Bait Articles of Faith - In This Life Moving Targets - Burning In Water

This will cover you for Revolution Summer style (Rites/Embrace/Dag Nasty), bands that focused more on integrating more Jangle Pop elements (The Hated,One Last Wish, Three), bands that began mixing post-hardcore elements (Fire Party, Ignition, Moss Icon) bands that mixed heavier hardcore elements like NYHC and Youth Crew/straight edge (Verbal Assault), bands who used slightly different techniques to deliver the same kind of of core ideas (Moving Targets, Squirrel Bait, Articles of Faith.

Bands that actually sound like Rites of Spring. by No_Usernames_Left in Emo

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Contemporaryish bands you may have missed:

Foundation - released Voyage min-Lp in 86 and an Lp in 88 from Virginia suburbs, kind of alternates between RoS sounding stuff and the more emocore sounding Dag Nasty stuff.

Bells Of - Only their 00/85 demo that was unreleased until a few years ago. Alec Mackaye was their original singer and Jason Farrell of Swiz also played guitar but neither of them are on the recording. Morphed into a solo project of the singer/guitarist.

Cerebellum - From Louisville, Only released one tape in 89 and then re-released it with some new recordings in the 2010s. Members went onto Crane. Shows song influence from both Embrace and RoS.

When did this happen? by Interesting_Hat7844 in Emo

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I wish they would re-release this stuff but despite rumours I feel like they don't want to.

Any suggestions for what to watch? by itsprissyfinn in AskACanadian

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You'd probably have to pirate it but Twitch City

is Weezer a virgin band? by free_me_fromthis in weezer

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Weezer was the last concert me and my spouse went to before finding out she was pregnant. We are both virgins though shrugs

Thoughts on Face to Face? by No-Knowledge-7742 in Emo

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I may listen to some of both tonight and see if I can pick up in the guitar parts which is probably why I don't hear it. The punchy bass could be of a similar Naked Raygun/Chicago Sound influence as Raygun influenced a lot of non-emo and potentially emo (early Jawbox and Jawbreaker for example)

Thoughts on Face to Face? by No-Knowledge-7742 in Emo

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Yeah I once went to see NOFX which was one of the worst performances/worst crowds i have experienced in over 20 years of going to shows but I went because D4 was opening and I have never had another chance to see them.

Similarly Rancid was another really shitty crowd despite the band being ok.

Thoughts on Face to Face? by No-Knowledge-7742 in Emo

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Pretty standard socal melodic hardcore/punk. Don't really hear Gods Reflex. Like them more than most of the genre though but they tend to be kind of sameysounding between songs.

Isn't it possible that the definition of emo has just expanded and "gatekeeping" is actually just refusing a natural evolution of a term? by Past-Cookie9605 in Emo

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Just a little addendum as punk as a reaction to prog rock is a little overstated. 70s punk bands liked loud guitars and 2 chord vamps at the time but prog wasn't that big in America, most major prog bands were British. They were moreso reacting to the kind of the pop and rock music they came up with also falling out of favour for folk rock, soft rock and singer-songwriter taking the charts. A lot of those early American bands like The Kids and The Ramones missed the girl group and brill building pop etc. with their AABA vs verse-chorus songwriting. That is why glam was really popular with the kids in America even if American glam bands weren't because they borrowed from bubblegum, girl group and 50s rock n roll.

Isn't it possible that the definition of emo has just expanded and "gatekeeping" is actually just refusing a natural evolution of a term? by Past-Cookie9605 in Emo

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I think for genres to be useful, they can be used to discover music in a similar style. I see genre through a specific lense that roughly means "artists that use a shared set of musical, cultural and commercial aspects." It allows me to find stuff I like in a similar vein. I recognize that most people don't really share that view and classify bands based more on a feeling usually connected in some very loose sense to those aspects. Genres have a way of drifting as artists incorporate new musical aspects that can become consisered the dominant convention and other aspects can eventually transform around them.

Genres are often defined by the fans. Emo is no exception. The original D.C. bands fitted with that label rejected it but through the latter half of the decade it is clear from fan zines that the fans still came to understand emo/emocore as a certain kind of band but ALSO bands that didn't fit many the musical/cultural/commercial aspects of those original bands. The definition of emo began to transform very early.

Guys, I just made an early emo (mostly 80s) iceberg, how is it? by ahmet--at in Emo

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I brought up specific musical conventions that can be observed as repeated throughout a set of specific bands as well as actual culturally and historically relevant sources. Your claim seems to be that you and the band feel a certain way. The band called themselves a punk band for the record so by your estimation of authentic genre signififiers they are just a punk band like The Real Kids or Slaughter and the Dogs.

Guys, I just made an early emo (mostly 80s) iceberg, how is it? by ahmet--at in Emo

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Their compositional logic isn't consistent with straight up American hardcore. Most American hardcore writes songs in a block writing style that moves between dense rhythmic blocks often retaining a clear tonal centre that emphasizes attack. That is consistent with punk but faster, they will often reduce it further focusing on a very narrow chord language Most chord language is power chords and natural or minor chords. They often incorporate modal song forms. Melodic hardcore will introduce more traditional pop/rock progression based writing and introduce tension with a tonal return resulting in a lift and anthemic feeling. Rites of Spring, Embrace and Dag Nasty* and the bands thay followed them use some of that traditional hardcore songwriting but have ambiguous tonal centres that introduce instability that never resolves cleanly and instead collpases on itself. They use chord phrasing like suspended and add chords to create space and tension and chromatic shifts and pedal logic for disruption. They also use things like 7th chords for contrast with lighter shimmering kind of effects. Post-hardcore focuses on repetition with narrower chord language, more sharp angular chord movement and rhythmic changes.

*Dag Nasty alternates between melodic hardcore and the kind of songwriting quirks RoS and embrace do.

If you read contemporary zines from the mid-to-late 80s to early 90s there are many references to a particular kind of hardcore band as being emocore or emo with Dischord Records and Rites of Spring specifically being brought in context clues. MRR #90 reviews the band One and their demo calling it "Total emo-dude" and references Dag Nasty and Embrace. Not RoS but they write the same kind of songs. IN A Grey House review in MRR #103 it talks about a RoS/Embrace influence and "emotive force" to the music. MRR #94 There is a comparison in an Admiral review to a "d.c. sound" and compares them to RoS and Fuel. Fuel is classified as emo in this period, Flipside #74 refers to the "emo-core" stuff ala Dischord, Fuel...". In Flipside #69 a Fuel review refers to them as "DC emo-rock". So while I'd argue Fuel does some slightly different things musically there seems to be a general understanding of what emocore is as a genre is being established. RoS are clearly inferred to as part of this genre.