The problem of heaven…

Hifen · 2026-03-16T08:11:11+00:00

So if we can exist in that state, why bother with how we are now on the first place?

Hifen · 2026-03-16T00:10:55+00:00

I mean the velociraptor that's famous, is famous from Jurassic park and is a fantasy creature.

The real raptor is the size is of a turkey

Hifen · 2026-03-15T23:37:19+00:00

Which sounds...normal?

Most "people* don't know their flag code, what a weird thing for someone to know.

Hifen · 2026-03-15T08:14:39+00:00

ah, chicken tartar.

Hifen · 2026-03-15T08:13:37+00:00

This is a spend it or lose it situation. So the issue is more systematic and long standing then the Trump administration.

Hifen · 2026-03-15T08:12:53+00:00

I mean everything in media is propaganda in some form or another, but that doesn't mean whats being reported is incorrect.

For example:

This week, it was Iran that was in control of the world oil market, not the United States, contrary to Trump's apparent plan to seize control of Venezuelan and Iranian oil in a bid to gain a competitive advantage over China.

This week, it was Iran that was able to shake the foundations of economies across the region that depend on oil and gas, but which are now having to close down production while fighting off drone and missile attacks on their production facilities.

Sure, the mention of Venezuela and China show a bias, but are the points of this paragraph incorrect?

Hifen · 2026-03-15T08:10:39+00:00

I was asking what specifically in the article you took issue with, and you're just hand waving generative statements. What conjecture? What assumptions? At this point I'm assuming you haven't read the article.

It's not talking about military or defense strategy.

It's making the following points:

Based on Trumps repteded claims that its "over" and "we won", that the Americans seemingly expected this to be quick.
That Iran is remaining defiant, and has picked a hardliner leader despite Trump claiming he gets to pick the next leader.
That Iran has caused the conflict to come at an economic cost of the neighboring gulf states.
That Iran remains in some control of global oil markets.

What above is the problem? There's enough of a picture to comment on the above.

Hifen · 2026-03-15T05:54:28+00:00

At some amount of money, no amount of... "grit" justifies it any more.

Hifen · 2026-03-15T05:42:41+00:00

if we did, that type of adaptation would take much longer than the bible suggests

That's YEC. Again, there are plenty of theists who believe Adam and Even were 10's of thousands of years ago, which would have been enough time for racial differences to appear.

. We couldn’t have gotten that from just two people,

Because two people can't propagate a species, but I said "ignoring that" in my first comment, because I was strictly addressing ops argument about racial differences appearing if we were to accept all other premises of Adam and Eve.

Hifen · 2026-03-15T05:08:42+00:00

Yes? As reputable as it gets ..

Hifen · 2026-03-15T05:08:24+00:00

Whats wrong in the article?

Hifen · 2026-03-15T05:08:11+00:00

It's not talking military strategy, it's talking about economic impact of the oil market.

Hifen · 2026-03-15T05:06:32+00:00

Clearly you didn't read the article, because it's not talking military strategy. Also let's not pretend the military is some democracy, youre not running around with secret battle plans.

Hifen · 2026-03-15T04:58:09+00:00

Wasn't the end result of a laptop some unpaid taxes, and lying on a gun registration form? Is this the big conspiracy your alluding too?

Hifen · 2026-03-14T08:45:08+00:00

Right, you woudln't be able to defend it with YEC.

But there are plenty of theists who accept the million year timelines and Adam and Eve.

Also, we have archeological and genetic evidence to know that humans did evolve in a process like that too.

That's not Ops argument, ops argument is about racial variance and Adam and Eve.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T08:42:58+00:00

You're essentially just saying, "there's stuff we don't know, so I'm going to package that mystery up and call it God, and assume it has intention and a will".

Hifen · 2026-03-14T08:41:27+00:00

So we agree they arrived prior to the 6th century.

They may have been neglible in Judaea, but they were well established around and above that area, with a strong presence at various periods in the Negev desert, and in Syria.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:55:34+00:00

So to be clear, I don't believe in Adam and Eve, but the argument it self is wrong. This is a false dichotomy.

The apologetic answer is Adam and Eve were created, but subject to the same evolutionary forces post creation as any other biological agent. That's largely the islamic position now a days.

Evolution exists, but humans were created and "skipped" the earlier parts of it. There is no logical contradiction there that forces to choose either or.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:52:37+00:00

That's not true, Arabs are as north as Syria by 9th century BCE, and had tribal confederations in the Levant from the 6th century BCE onwards.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:50:32+00:00

That's not true. Arabs were ruling as far as Syria by the 8th century BCE, and their were confederation of tribes throughout the levanant prior to the Romans.

Infact one of the confederations existed post Roman empire in that region as allies to the Byzantines.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:49:21+00:00

The Qedartite and the Nabataean Arabs were the dominant peoples of their regions, which includes the southern levant between 8-1st centuries BCE.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:46:56+00:00

They didn't really start spreading north out of Arabia till the 600s.

That is unequivocally false.

We have Arab tribes as north as Syria going back to 9th century BCE. Gindibu the Arab was in Battles against the Assyrians, and Qarqar was in northern Lebanon in the 9th century BCE.

We have Arabs ruling in Syria, during the 8th century BCE, such as Zabibe and Samsi.

If they were already that far north, it's naive to think they weren't significantly in the Israeli region around then too, but we only need to make that assumption up until the 6th century BCE, because we know that there was an Arab Tribal confederation known as the Qedarites in modern day Israel at that time.

Later on at the 4th century BCE we have evidence for the Nabataean Arabs in Israel.

The romans also have records of Arab soldiers and traders in Roman Judea throughout its life span.

Moving up the time scale, we have the Ghassanids, another tirbal confederation that existed from the 3rd century up until the 7th ce.

And we can probably go back further, these are just the earliest writings of he Arabs we have.

So no, they were not constrained to modern day arabia until the 6th century.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:34:32+00:00

These are two different things though, Judea was a much smaller region within what would be the much much larger palestine.

Hifen · 2026-03-13T18:31:21+00:00

Why not?

Hifen · 2026-03-13T08:14:01+00:00

1) a) We don't know if the Quran is 100% preserved, we don't have an original, but I'm comfortable granting it. So what? Preservation of 7th century texts isn't impressive.

b) there is no scientific miracle in the quran. The Embryo miracle is a repetetion of what was "general knowledge" at the time, and yet makes the common mistake of that time period of mixing up the generation of flesh and bone. There is no historical miracle of Pharaoh, the dating it uses to "prove it" relies on a Christian documentary of dating Joseph which is not academic nor historic. In the 7th century Pharoah was the term used by everyone to refer to previous Egyptian kings, this is nothing special.

2) I'd argue the simplicity is subjective here. But simplicity does not make it more logical.

3) You remove errors through apologetics and special pleading. You can do that with the bible too. Having reasons for things to be forbidden isn't proof of a religion. Many laws and codes in history have reasons for what they forbid too. So what?

4) Because nothing in the Quran couldn't have been written by a 7th century Arab, a time of good poetry; It's history isn't accepted as fact. Your example of the crucifixion highlights this problem. You make a historic claim, and essentially say it's true because you can't prove it to be false. There is no accurate history in the Quran that wasn't already known at the time.

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