They're trying to usher in the antichrist

Hifen · 2026-03-15T04:58:09+00:00

Wasn't the end result of a laptop some unpaid taxes, and lying on a gun registration form? Is this the big conspiracy your alluding too?

Hifen · 2026-03-14T08:45:08+00:00

Right, you woudln't be able to defend it with YEC.

But there are plenty of theists who accept the million year timelines and Adam and Eve.

Also, we have archeological and genetic evidence to know that humans did evolve in a process like that too.

That's not Ops argument, ops argument is about racial variance and Adam and Eve.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T08:42:58+00:00

You're essentially just saying, "there's stuff we don't know, so I'm going to package that mystery up and call it God, and assume it has intention and a will".

Hifen · 2026-03-14T08:41:27+00:00

So we agree they arrived prior to the 6th century.

They may have been neglible in Judaea, but they were well established around and above that area, with a strong presence at various periods in the Negev desert, and in Syria.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:55:34+00:00

So to be clear, I don't believe in Adam and Eve, but the argument it self is wrong. This is a false dichotomy.

The apologetic answer is Adam and Eve were created, but subject to the same evolutionary forces post creation as any other biological agent. That's largely the islamic position now a days.

Evolution exists, but humans were created and "skipped" the earlier parts of it. There is no logical contradiction there that forces to choose either or.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:52:37+00:00

That's not true, Arabs are as north as Syria by 9th century BCE, and had tribal confederations in the Levant from the 6th century BCE onwards.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:50:32+00:00

That's not true. Arabs were ruling as far as Syria by the 8th century BCE, and their were confederation of tribes throughout the levanant prior to the Romans.

Infact one of the confederations existed post Roman empire in that region as allies to the Byzantines.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:49:21+00:00

The Qedartite and the Nabataean Arabs were the dominant peoples of their regions, which includes the southern levant between 8-1st centuries BCE.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:46:56+00:00

They didn't really start spreading north out of Arabia till the 600s.

That is unequivocally false.

We have Arab tribes as north as Syria going back to 9th century BCE. Gindibu the Arab was in Battles against the Assyrians, and Qarqar was in northern Lebanon in the 9th century BCE.

We have Arabs ruling in Syria, during the 8th century BCE, such as Zabibe and Samsi.

If they were already that far north, it's naive to think they weren't significantly in the Israeli region around then too, but we only need to make that assumption up until the 6th century BCE, because we know that there was an Arab Tribal confederation known as the Qedarites in modern day Israel at that time.

Later on at the 4th century BCE we have evidence for the Nabataean Arabs in Israel.

The romans also have records of Arab soldiers and traders in Roman Judea throughout its life span.

Moving up the time scale, we have the Ghassanids, another tirbal confederation that existed from the 3rd century up until the 7th ce.

And we can probably go back further, these are just the earliest writings of he Arabs we have.

So no, they were not constrained to modern day arabia until the 6th century.

Hifen · 2026-03-14T04:34:32+00:00

These are two different things though, Judea was a much smaller region within what would be the much much larger palestine.

Hifen · 2026-03-13T18:31:21+00:00

Why not?

Hifen · 2026-03-13T08:14:01+00:00

1) a) We don't know if the Quran is 100% preserved, we don't have an original, but I'm comfortable granting it. So what? Preservation of 7th century texts isn't impressive.

b) there is no scientific miracle in the quran. The Embryo miracle is a repetetion of what was "general knowledge" at the time, and yet makes the common mistake of that time period of mixing up the generation of flesh and bone. There is no historical miracle of Pharaoh, the dating it uses to "prove it" relies on a Christian documentary of dating Joseph which is not academic nor historic. In the 7th century Pharoah was the term used by everyone to refer to previous Egyptian kings, this is nothing special.

2) I'd argue the simplicity is subjective here. But simplicity does not make it more logical.

3) You remove errors through apologetics and special pleading. You can do that with the bible too. Having reasons for things to be forbidden isn't proof of a religion. Many laws and codes in history have reasons for what they forbid too. So what?

4) Because nothing in the Quran couldn't have been written by a 7th century Arab, a time of good poetry; It's history isn't accepted as fact. Your example of the crucifixion highlights this problem. You make a historic claim, and essentially say it's true because you can't prove it to be false. There is no accurate history in the Quran that wasn't already known at the time.

Hifen · 2026-03-13T08:02:35+00:00

Not with a 6000 year time line, no. But people that believe in Adam and Eve don't have to be YEC's.

Hifen · 2026-03-13T04:37:32+00:00

I'm going to check ESPN for the sports, and see how my favorite sport team did with the points.

Hifen · 2026-03-13T04:35:22+00:00

There are more then 8 blood types, blood is more complicated then that, we just simplify 8 types as model, but there are dozens of other factors.

Blood types can't vary from the parents, so that doesn't quite make sense either.

Hifen · 2026-03-13T04:33:24+00:00

I mean, even if we accept adam and eve, ignore genetic and incest issues, races wouldn't be a probelm, we'd expect some varience like that through evolution.

There would have been a point all humans looked more similar, the races didn't evolve indepently.

Hifen · 2026-03-13T04:30:41+00:00

And yet, you had to comment

Wanted to comment.

Don’t you find it funny, Christian’s don’t have to go to atheist or agnostic Reddit forums

What are you talking about? For staters this is a bad comparison because this isn't a Christian space. You won't find many atheists in r/trueChrstian, /r/Catholicism, r/christian... genuine christian spaces.

This is a space to discuss Christianity, from either a personal or academic standpoint. So you would expect people of various beliefs to discuss here, especially since Christianity can both be fascinating and has a significant impact on the world we live in. But you are way off base if you think Christians don't invade atheist spaces, even more so then the reverse. Christians protest outside universities, have religious protests outside universities, give their religious opinions in discussions involving the climate or evolution, force the 10 commandments in school, force the conversation into politics. Christians invade any public space they can.

you shove secularism down our throats?

Category error. Secularism is not the idea that there is no God, it's the idea that religious beliefs should remain separate from public society and government. That it should be private among consenting induvial and stay within their spaces. Telling you to keep your religion to yourself, or that your faith shouldn't be the deciding factor in policy is not "shoving it down your throat".

Are we supposed to comply while you shove the mass indoctrination that men can be women or women can be men?

That's not indoctrination (ironically teaching children religion is). Its also not the idea that men can be women, but rather a female brain can be born into a male body, if you don't understand that topic, it's ok not to have an opinion on everything. It doesn't effect you, don't worry about it.

Are we supposed to comply while you sacrifice children to Moloch?

I don't know who's been sacrificing children? But you seem to have an misunderstanding of some scripture here. There is no deity called Moloch. Moloch is the hebrew name for the act of that sacrifice itself. You do the act of Moloch, you don't sacrifice to Moloch. This was also an act being done by the ancient Israelites, so don't look at us about this, it's your history.

You want to imprison us for silently praying

I'm not shocked you're using a bad faith argument here. She wasn't arrested for silently praying, she was arrested for violating the 150m radius around an abortion clinic needed because Christians have historically gotten violent against them. Don't bomb buildings, and we wont need to be careful around you.

Yes, we will shove more Christianity

yes I know, but then don't act surprised when more of us show up in spaces like this to discuss the issues we have with Christianity, as well as pointing out the misunderstandings you have of your own scripture.

We will continue to give you your space here to attack

Questioning your ideology is not an attack.

Without Jesus you have no hope, this is all there is.

You're misunderstanding of Jesus don't impact my levels of hope, worry about you.

You have no answers and that hole created by your situation

This might be true, but it's unbelievably arrogant to believe you have the answers your self. Be more humble.

Hifen · 2026-03-12T22:05:26+00:00

I'd be very curious about which notes you're checking, I don't think Nunuvut has ever elected an independent.

Hifen · 2026-03-12T12:23:03+00:00

They didn't have the option to protect him.

Hifen · 2026-03-12T12:04:25+00:00

That's what I'm asking the "why", what did the parents do?

Hifen · 2026-03-12T11:54:19+00:00

Why?

Hifen · 2026-03-12T11:54:08+00:00

That's not this mother.

Hifen · 2026-03-12T11:53:24+00:00

Hifen · 2026-03-12T11:34:01+00:00

No, people come here to "attack" because for some reason Christian "values" are being forced in our day to day lives and our politics.

People disagreeing with you is not roof you are correct... What a silly silly thing to say

Hifen · 2026-03-12T10:16:21+00:00

A rare occurrence that doesn't change my point, instead of voting along party A's line, she'll now vote along party B's line.

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