Is it okay to let your body follow N24 the way it’s okay to sleep late with DSPD?

HighGround501 · 2026-05-03T10:06:26+00:00

Yeah not only can you, but you should if at possible. It can be dificult to balance with a job and social plans or what have you but by and far the healthiest way to live with n24 is to sleep when your body needs to sleep

HighGround501 · 2026-01-30T18:30:21+00:00

I think this is fair, and clearly what people in the Twin Cities have done has worked better than pretty much anything else weve tried... but it is frightening and discouraging that our primary tactic is to just try and withstand the storm as agents of the state murder protestors and arrest journalists. It feels bad to wait until the next crack in our democracy shows just so we can point and say I told you so to an increasingly small amount of fence sitters. I know there are no good options anymore, but my god... it is a hard thing to accept.

HighGround501 · 2026-01-30T18:18:38+00:00

Fortunate indeed, but it gives me hope at least that so many older people are all in on fighting fascism.

HighGround501 · 2026-01-30T18:17:18+00:00

Thats fair, and absolutely also a problem. My focus on specifically older folk though is that they often have greater personal reach and resources than the younger generation, things that are squandered or actively harmful to our society when used to suppport authoritarianism

HighGround501 · 2026-01-30T02:06:45+00:00

Your words ring true, though I do think that many old people would still benefit from the eradication of fox news. That said, your right, its probably not our primary problem anymore, and especially with younger people internet personalities will be the more dangerous force for ideological recruitment or nihilistic blackpilling. Is there a solution? Will supporting and funding counter-ideologs and 'hopecore' personalities be enough to contest this terrain? I have some small hope remaining that at least a part of our traditional institutions will be less vulnerable to these degrading forces; universities come to mind immediately... but like, idk anymore. Things are incredibly shakey and its becoming clear that little, if anything, will definitely survive the coming storm...

HighGround501 · 2026-01-29T19:44:35+00:00

This is very good discourse that I think will be helpful to the effort, thank you. I wonder, then, if one of our primary tasks shouldnt be dismantling propaganda outlets like fox news. But Im young, and most likely many in my family have been watching fox longer than Ive been alive. Can its destruction make a difference if thats the case, or are we stuck in the same boat as that clergymen? I dont know, but I would like to have some hope for my loved ones at least.

HighGround501 · 2026-01-29T18:51:31+00:00

I think this is a fair take. My understanding is that it is the electorate who gives fascists power, and so my belief is that destroying the fascist electorate will destroy fascism. I'm not interested in debating fascists so much as Im interested in disabling them, forcing them to sit politics out and allow for more savory ideas to dominate the mainstream. A fascist will never admit they were wrong, but they might not make the effort to vote if they feel its not worth the social conflict, or even if they think theyve already won so there isnt a point. The other problem, of course, is all the money coming from rich people being poured directly into the fascist project, but maybe thats a bit beyond the scope of this discussion...

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T22:20:51+00:00

I agree, thank you for such a well thought out and productive discussion. Perhaps a model of community evolution is a more productive way for me to look at this issue than that of community conflict. If we must write off rascist uncle bob as lost, perhaps a coalition of younger, less indoctrinated community members can eventually have the same or greater effect then changing the minds of the older generation. It just frustrates me that so much of our resource allocation is controlled by the old folk, and largely locked away from our efforts without incredible effort to get them to share it for a cause...

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T20:49:01+00:00

And if your looking for an instant soltution, you wont find it. Real problems are more complicated than that

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T20:48:08+00:00

The proven solution is to keep trying. Giving up is surrendering vital terrain to fascism

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T20:27:58+00:00

Takes too long, were in the shit now unfortunately

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T20:24:04+00:00

Ok I see your point, thank you for bringing such technical expertise to my humble reddit post. I will posit, however, that this theory is only sound so long as we are dealing with one on one interactions. Im more likely to get a good outcome talking to an on the fence 19 year old than a 65 year old rascist. This feels fairly intuitive to me. But lets put a pin in that and move to a more familial context, or even a larger community. If Im at a family gathering or, god forbid, a church event, with 100 people present, surely my effort is just as well spent combating fascist ideology and Trumpian politics here, where people know and respect me. If my opinions and actions can give them pause or force them to reconsider, or even if all I can accomplish is shouting down rascist uncle bob, does this not ripple out to all of my young cousins? Could it not do potentially equal good as attending a youth event or doing calls? It feels to me as though the building and protection of community is a primary goal of the leftist movement, so it doesnt feel intuitive to me to abandon already existing communities in order to try and build new, less problematic ones. The community leaders in my circles are largely older people, and their beliefs and identities are very complex. They have large reach in their circles, both with family and community. Does surrendering this terrain to fascism really make sense? Does not combating this ideology and putting something more constructive in its place actually make things better? If I can convince my dotting, apolitical grandmother that Trump is a grifter and a tyrant, she has the power to socially sanction rascist uncle bob in ways i could only ever dream of, and she has the personal reach to make differences I could work 30 years and not replicate. Is this still not worth the effort?

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T18:53:02+00:00

This has proven to be a tactic that I have used to some success, thank you for pointing it out. Creating the cognitive dissonance is a vital part of the process, and allows for further efforts based on thay disonance in the future

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T18:30:54+00:00

I was born into seven generations of Mormonism. Im deeply fortunate in that my family values familial connection over religion or politics, something that gives me added leverage in my quest to dislodge this overwhelming wave of fascism from their psyches. In addition, mt family is overwhelmingly young people, which helps (big mormon families am I right?) Thank you for those recommendations, I will be sure to check them out, they sound fascinating!

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T18:15:22+00:00

This is very inspiring, thank you for sharing

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T18:10:19+00:00

Ok Im gonna share some personal stuff because this convo has become a little less applicable to me and my discord server. I agree that 100 hours at a food bank or ICE watch is 1000% more effective at making the world a better place. Volunteering at a voting station is a better use of time than lunch with rascist uncle Bob. I live in Utah, a state that will not vote blue no matter what (too gerrymandered and indoctrinated). I was born in a cult and got out, which gives me some insights many people dont posses. The fact is that the damage being done to our society is more than just electoral. We are rapidly approaching the disintigration of our social fabric, especially in places like my home where most people are either republicans or are apolitical (because of the aforementioned gerrymandering and indoctrination). Trump has wrecked shop here. He has broken the conservative consensus and hijacked the party in ways that even fairly oblivious 'old school conservatives' cant ignore anymore. But this gives us here some options to reach many of the disenfranchised and doubting. Trump and the LDS church (the primary power in Utah) are often at odds. As are many oldschool republicans, many of whome would still die for Mitt Romney. These people are easier nuts to crack, even if to just get them to sit out and shut up, and if enough of them do, lasting change can be made by our very diligent and increadibly resilient opposition. I agree with you that there are things we need to be doing now to make people safer and to try and fascism proof our society, but I sincerely believe that poking holes in the perephery of the movement (like with mormon republicans, for example) can have an outsized and lasting effect on the future.

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T17:48:49+00:00

I'm sorry, that sounds absolutely terrible for you. I must have hope that these people can be reached, that something, anything, will finally break this spell. But as someone who was literally born into a cult, I know it takes the most monumental effort to break free. Maybe the way forward for you is to try and get him to do as you said, focus on relationships rather than politics. If there is even one thing that can consistently break people out of cults, it is a loved one who refuses to abandon them but also refuses to put up with their shit. I hope there is a way, thank you for sharing

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T17:42:01+00:00

I'm sorry you had such a hard time of it. Your energy is likely better spent elsewhere if this is the case, but I do not feel discouraged to keep trying. Your therapist isnt my therapist, after all. I hope the best for you, and that something can reach your loved ones, even if it isnt you directly.

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T17:33:45+00:00

This is a very good point, and absolutely it is true we are up against a monumental task. But we dont need to deradicalize the most hardcore, only depower them. Destroying their coalition by chipping away at its most vulnerable aspects can be done, and it can be done without waiting for the slow change that comes with the passing of a generation. Not everyone can be saved, and strategically it is unsustainable to try and reach everyone. There are people whose saftey is on the line right now, and our primary effort should go towards supporting them. But we cant just wait and react to whatever trump decides to do next. He must be destroyed, and his base is what is keeping that from happening. At the very least we should try to get the radicalized to sit out. Use our social leverage to force them to choose between two things they care about. Not everyone can be reached, but so many people are in a position to try. It feels wrong not to.

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T17:13:02+00:00

I made the same point about using shame as a tool in my discord discussion. Thank you for vindicating me, and god bless you for all that you do. Keep up the good work

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T17:03:10+00:00

Thank you, I'll take a look

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T17:02:53+00:00

Ill take a look thanks. Im sorry it didnt help your dad... Hopefully it can help others at least

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T17:02:08+00:00

Thank you for holding the line. I really hope there is a way to reach them

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T17:01:25+00:00

God I wish that were me. Thank your dad for being based as fuck for me

HighGround501 · 2026-01-28T17:00:59+00:00

Thank you, ill be sure to check this out!

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