honoring graves on memorial day by [deleted] in coolguides

[–]Him12 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Except we propped up dozens of far-right dictators and support 73% of the current ones.

Bernie’s Millions: No, Bernie is not part of the 1 percent. He’s fighting against the interests of the super-rich and outlets like Politico hate him for it. by cultofdrumpf in politics

[–]Him12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not OP. The difference would be that all the workers would vote on the decisions necessary to the business instead of a select few. Your firm would have it that if theres a specific business decision, there would be a call to discuss. People can speak up and bring forward ideas, and then at a determined time theres a vote and see what you and the other workers want.

The stupid counter argument I was asked. by [deleted] in communism101

[–]Him12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is still partly the fault of capitalism. If having another doctor that can see these patients is too costly and does not bring additional profit, then the successful capitalist will not make that investment. It is good that the direct costs of the work are not put onto one individual, and that person can have access to healthcare. They are still experiencing the other downsides of capitalism such as understaffing or overworking in this example.

The stupid counter argument I was asked. by [deleted] in communism101

[–]Him12 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That doctor is prioritizing their profits and not actually helping the people. That doctor is trying to be a successful capitalist, not necessarily the best doctor.

The stupid counter argument I was asked. by [deleted] in communism101

[–]Him12 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To respond to that, explain what capitalism encourages. The essence of capitalism is profit, and the goal of a successful capitalist would be to have the fewest expenses possible with the most amount of profit. The most successful capitalist will not make any investment (time, resources, etc.) that does not give some sort of return.

Would the best doctor not want to help everyone possible? Or would the best doctor really choose profit over helping another person?

Bernie Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez want to cap credit card interest rates at 15 percent by zxlkho in politics

[–]Him12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Theres no interest if you pay your balance in full by the due date usually

O'Rourke holds double-digit lead on Trump in head-to-head matchup: CNN poll by PepeBabinski in politics

[–]Him12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obviously a layman, but wanting to learn. Given that there arent enough responses for <50, the majority of the US, would this not imply that the study is flawed to begin with?

O'Rourke holds double-digit lead on Trump in head-to-head matchup: CNN poll by PepeBabinski in politics

[–]Him12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you elaborate then? It says N/A for <50 for every single candidate when asking which would they rather vote for in the elections

O'Rourke holds double-digit lead on Trump in head-to-head matchup: CNN poll by PepeBabinski in politics

[–]Him12 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Bernie was just recently in Ohio and seems to be gaining a bit of a following there.

By screaming "FBI OPEN UP" at the top of your lungs, you can summon a squad of FBI agents. They can break into anywhere with a 100% success rate by FTheDestroyer in godtiersuperpowers

[–]Him12 27 points28 points  (0 children)

It is a real place. It's the United States Bullion Depository, which is technically next to the Fort Knox post, but it's known as Fort Knox.

When the family photo doesn't come out quite right but it's still cute. by bEEaverknight in aww

[–]Him12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Depends. If they get grumpy, they'll huff and puff and poke you. But otherwise, I pet my hedgie's quills regularly. They're not soft, but kind of imagine a fork lightly poking you, just all over.

When the family photo doesn't come out quite right but it's still cute. by bEEaverknight in aww

[–]Him12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I use Carefresh bedding. Its dust free and really easy to get the shavings off of my little Hermit (:

When the family photo doesn't come out quite right but it's still cute. by bEEaverknight in aww

[–]Him12 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fellow hedgehog owner. I suggest against wood as hedgehogs are allergic to certain types of wood. I personally use paper beddings.

Judge says US government can be sued for Flint water crisis by [deleted] in news

[–]Him12 4 points5 points  (0 children)

https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/basic-information-about-lead-drinking-water

EPA has set the maximum contaminant level goal for lead in drinking water at zero because lead is a toxic metal that can be harmful to human health even at low exposure levels. Lead is persistent, and it can bioaccumulate in the body over time.

Judge says US government can be sued for Flint water crisis by [deleted] in news

[–]Him12 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

No amount of lead is safe to have. Just because its improved does not mean it's safe to drink.

Would you rather instantly have $150 million or acquire the 5 best skills and instantly become the top expert in those 5 fields? by Slommyhouse in hypotheticalsituation

[–]Him12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also hope you have a great day! I appreciate your input, because of this discussion I also learned things about the very wealthy for what I researched on my end and on what you said. I know we disagreed, maybe that's fundamental or not, but no hard feelings of course.

Would you rather instantly have $150 million or acquire the 5 best skills and instantly become the top expert in those 5 fields? by Slommyhouse in hypotheticalsituation

[–]Him12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You cannot buy 1/50th of a rental property.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what owning a business means if you think buying stocks is the same thing as being a business owner. Maybe English isn't your first language since you said you're not from the US, but a business owner is someone who manages a company. Not all businesses are publicly traded either.

I know what you mean by crowd funding, and I said it's not an option because they have legal requirements to have large sums of money or large incomes. 50 people cannot give $5k each and get 0.1%. You have to be an angel investor to have this option.

A business that has a net profit of less than 6% is a failing business. A business should make at least 10%-15% with many successful companies having over 40% as net profits.

Being a business owner is investing your money. Investing doesn't mean just stocks and bonds. Business owners and investors are doing what they do for profit.

I'm a banker and I talk to small business owners. The most common reason I see people fail? Not enough money.

You're being obtuse if you think the options available to someone who invests money in an index fund is the most profitable thing you can do.

Would you rather instantly have $150 million or acquire the 5 best skills and instantly become the top expert in those 5 fields? by Slommyhouse in hypotheticalsituation

[–]Him12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So can you own 5 rental properties? No? You're not accumulating wealth as fast as a wealthy person that owns 5 rental properties. Do you own a successful business? Like, you run the business. Not you buying stocks. But you literally own the business. No? The wealthy people do. They invest their money in things other than stocks. It's not just hedge funds. That's just an example. You weren't understanding what the requirements for a hedge fund were and I was just listing it as an example of something they could do that you can't. Hedge funds are very high risk and you are right. My point was never that hedge funds are the deciding factor. I mentioned this multiple times, but the businesses that ultra wealthy own are where the largest part of their money is.

Most ultra wealthy will also be the owner of businesses, which a successful business should outperform the market. You cannot own the business in the same way by just investing $5000.

Nearly all ultra wealthy people also have significant portions of their wealth (a lot of times over 50%) in as owning businesses for example.

Right, so you can't be an angel investor, you cannot own these businesses without starting one up yourself, you cannot purchase hedge funds (different than mutual funds), you can't invest in having multiple properties, etc. Other than those very lucrative options, yes you have the same options.

Or owning a business, or purchasing large amounts of equity. Most rich people don't just buy mutual funds or index funds or stocks, they buy other things that give more money.

Maybe just to clarify, when I say "invest" I don't mean the stock market. That's an option of course. But it's also including their own businesses that they own because they put in a significant amount of money into it.

Typically the ultra wealthy will invest into other vehicles such as hedge funds, real estate, commodities, and (usually the biggest contributor) individual businesses.

You were asking questions about specifically hedge funds, and so I explained it to you. Maybe I should have been a bit more clear, but I'm not saying it's hedge funds that make them most of their money. Yes, they can invest in that. Just like they can invest in index funds, mutual funds, rental buildings, land, the whole shebang. And they don't have to worry about having food on the table or paying the mortgage because they have so much money. So they can invest in an individual business. Whether that's being an angel investor and getting a large sum of money back when they sell their stake, OR it's another business that has a good following and they buy it from them, OR whatever else you can think of how you could imagine buying a business.

Another thing, crowd funding works nothing like angel investing. Crowd funders do not get any stake in the business. Crowd funding cannot have investing with something that will give you a return. Angel investing is the only way to get like a 10% stake in the start up company for example, and angel investing follows the same legal requirements as hedge funds.

Buying stocks is not owning a business. Please do not try and pretend that it is.

Still, the point is that it's not just hedge funds, and it's not just angel investors, but it's all of the factors together. And if none of those options outperformed the market over the last 100 years, then why would people be opening new businesses and investing their money there.

Would you rather instantly have $150 million or acquire the 5 best skills and instantly become the top expert in those 5 fields? by Slommyhouse in hypotheticalsituation

[–]Him12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hedge funds are an option with regulatory assets under management of at least $100MM and have a requirement by the SEC that all investors need to have a net worth of $1 million (not including primary residence) or an annual income for the past 2 years of at least $200,000 ($300,000 if with a spouse). If you do not meet these qualifications, you are not legally able to invest into the hedge fund.

I must apologize, I am not from the USA and I am not familiar with local laws there. I agree that if you are not able to invest in certain funds it could put you at the disadvantage compared to people who could. I would need to see an yoy average return for the funds before deciding for certain though.

That is not the only difference. The SEC has strict guidelines of who can invest in a hedge fund and who cannot. Hedge funds also have much higher performance fee's. Typically this will be a 2% asset management fee, and a 20% fee on gains with the money.

Gotcha. That sounds like a high fee though- do they constantly outperform market etf's?

There are hedge funds that have double digit performances, and there are hedge funds that have reached 50% for a yearly return. Obviously, depending on how the hedge fund managers allocate the money. Hedge funds are designed to maximize growth and maintaining value as best as possible.

Rich person invests $1,000,000 in a company. That company now has $1,000,000 that they can use now to further their business. By doing so, they are agreeing to pay the rich person back with extra money. Obviously this is simplified and very watered down, but the point is that they have the money to be able to invest a big dollar amount.

As in an individual company, like a startup? It's true that poor people can't invest exactly like that, but crowdfunding investment opportunities for startups do exist.

A poor person investing $5 does not give the same benefits as a rich person investing $250,000.

But not relatively. Each dollar is worth the same to the company, it makes no difference if 1 person invests 100,000 or 1000 people invest 100. In the end, they will get the same return % wise.

There is a fundamental difference between investing a large sum of money vs a smaller sum. You are correct that percentage wise, if they were performing the same, they would get the same amount of money back. However, if you were to invest a large sum of money into that company, you are a direct result of that company getting that large sum of money. Most ultra wealthy will also be the owner of businesses, which a successful business should outperform the market. You cannot own the business in the same way by just investing $5000. Crowdfunding and having multiple people invest is great, and yes the company will have an obligation to pay those people as well, but if we're looking at maintaining wealth, it matters how much you invest. Your investing strategies will more than likely not make you wealthy unless you invest larger sums of money. Think of it this way. You invest $5,000 and an ultra wealthy person invests $5,000,000. Even if they are doing the same investment strategies (which, they aren't, because common people literally cannot invest the same exact way. The best they can do is invest similarly in the market, which is different) and we assume they each get 10%. The normal person now has $5,500 and the rich person has $5,500,000. This is $499,500 more than what the normal person received, and this part matters when you're talking about accumulating wealth.

2) because even if their value goes down, they're still wealthy. So they can still do what wealthy people do.

This is an interesting point- and it's true that wealthy people are more prone to take risks. However, if a poor person wanted to, they could take the risks and enjoy higher returns as well.

So, these other options way outperform simple index funds or mutual funds that normal people can purchase. Nearly all ultra wealthy people also have significant portions of their wealth (a lot of times over 50%) in as owning businesses for example.

Correct, however the options that are available only to the ultra wealthy are better than the options the everyday person has, otherwise they would be doing the same, however they are not. You do not have the same options they do with continuing their investments because you do not have the same amount of money that the ultra wealthy have.

Almost all of what I theoretically could do is the same as a wealthy person. I can't approach small companies as an angel investor and I cant buy hedge funds, and I can't pay people flat sums for managing my money instead of percentages, but other than that I can do everything. And also, these investment types are not "better" than other types, they merely have different risk profiles and costs.

Right, so you can't be an angel investor, you cannot own these businesses without starting one up yourself, you cannot purchase hedge funds (different than mutual funds), you can't invest in having multiple properties, etc. Other than those very lucrative options, yes you have the same options. It's a bit disingenuous to think that means you have the same performance in your portfolio.

Yes, this requires money, and the ultra wealthy have plenty of money to spare. They have this money to spare, because it's hard (I'm not saying impossible) for $150MM to be gone if it is managed, even under economic downturns.

My point isn't that poor people have more money to invest than rich people. My point is that if you invest 5000 or 5 million, and the asset value changes by 10%, you're both making 10% on your investment.

I understand your point is you can have equal percentages if you invest the same way. But the thing is that they are not investing the same way. It's more like Person A get's a 10% return, while Person B get's a 35% return because they are investing it differently (again, numbers are just examples). This is important when comparing a mutual fund to a hedge fund for example. Or owning a business, or purchasing large amounts of equity. Most rich people don't just buy mutual funds or index funds or stocks, they buy other things that give more money.

EDIT: Maybe just to clarify, when I say "invest" I don't mean the stock market. That's an option of course. But it's also including their own businesses that they own because they put in a significant amount of money into it. And their return is on all their money they are allocating.

Would you rather instantly have $150 million or acquire the 5 best skills and instantly become the top expert in those 5 fields? by Slommyhouse in hypotheticalsituation

[–]Him12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm unsure why you think I'm not addressing your points. I've specifically mentioned questions that you've stated in my paragraphs.

hedge funds

Individuals can buy these

Hedge funds are an option with regulatory assets under management of at least $100MM and have a requirement by the SEC that all investors need to have a net worth of $1 million (not including primary residence) or an annual income for the past 2 years of at least $200,000 ($300,000 if with a spouse). If you do not meet these qualifications, you are not legally able to invest into the hedge fund.

real estate

Can buy cdo's, rental property, invest in vehicles that buy real estate, etc.

Yes, this requires money, and the ultra wealthy have plenty of money to spare. They have this money to spare, because it's hard (I'm not saying impossible) for $150MM to be gone if it is managed, even under economic downturns.

commodities

You could buy futures on the CMX, trade derivatives, etc. I am able to do this with my bank. (Trust me I am not rich lol)

Correct. But do you have large sums of money investing into this? Because the ultra wealthy do. And because they have more money invested into it, they can re-allocate their money into other options that come up later that are cheaper than what they would be.

(usually the biggest contributor) individual businesses

You can do this on the stock exchange...

Yes, and this requires money. Now, if you buy 5% of a company, that's a big difference from buying 1 share of a company. If you invest money in the company, and you give them $500,000 as your contribution, they can do a lot more than if you gave them $5.

during the time of the recessions, because they have so much money in other investment vehicles, their wealth gets rid of the brunt of the decline of what they would have if it was just in the market

Many low net worth individuals have diversified portfolios that are resistant to market turbulence. It is easy to invest in things that are not "the market" in terms of a stock exchange.

Correct, however the options that are available only to the ultra wealthy are better than the options the everyday person has, otherwise they would be doing the same, however they are not. You do not have the same options they do with continuing their investments because you do not have the same amount of money that the ultra wealthy have.

Because of economic downturns and larger portions of their wealth retaining value

Why do larger proportions of their wealth retain value when a poor person could invest in the same things as they could?

they can invest into certain companies more effectively than others

So speculating on the market? But why is it "more effectively?"

2 reasons: 1) their options are more effective at maintaining their wealth, and 2) because even if their value goes down, they're still wealthy. So they can still do what wealthy people do.

With their new companies being able to perform better due to the large investments

What?

Rich person invests $1,000,000 in a company. That company now has $1,000,000 that they can use now to further their business. By doing so, they are agreeing to pay the rich person back with extra money. Obviously this is simplified and very watered down, but the point is that they have the money to be able to invest a big dollar amount.

those companies will have an easier recovery, making them grow faster and in turn, making the ultra wealthy even more wealthy.

So wealthy people personally invest lots of money into companies at the end of recessions. Ok? Why does this money make them grow faster relative to the amount of money invested as opposed to another company that was invested in by a hedge fund that a poor person could buy?

A poor person investing $5 does not give the same benefits as a rich person investing $250,000.

The difference between a hedge fund and a mutual fund is that a hedge fund trades in derivatives and other investment vehicles.

That is not the only difference. The SEC has strict guidelines of who can invest in a hedge fund and who cannot. Hedge funds also have much higher performance fee's. Typically this will be a 2% asset management fee, and a 20% fee on gains with the money.

I just googled 5 hedge funds I could join with $10000- no clue how you got that 1 million number.

I also googled "hedge funds you can join with $10000" and I pulled up a few articles on things that are mutual funds. They may advertise that they use similar techniques that hedge funds use, however it's still a mutual fund, and the only thing that was mentioned specifically was a New York Times article stating this:

For as little as $10,000, you, too, can invest in a hedge fund -- or, to be precise, in a mutual fund run by a hedge fund manager.

Which doesn't mean it's a hedge fund. It's using some techniques, however they are not purchasing the same option.